“School supports Sodomy”

[mesquite_magic]

Actually, I never put up examples of laws.

You, Fix, asked “What do they mean by silenced? How do they define hatred?”

That part of your question, I did answer.

Kim

 

[estesbob]

Actually, I never put up examples of laws.

You, Fix, asked “What do they mean by silenced? How do they define hatred?”

That part of your question, I did answer.

Kim

You didnt answer any part his question. You just posted an outline of the plots of two movies.

 

[mesquite_magic]

You didnt answer any part his question. You just posted an outline of the plots of two movies.

No. I pointed out the lives of two people who were killed because they were gay. I’ve never seen a movie about Mathew Sheppard. I saw his story on the news and I read articles about it in the newspaper and magazines. I read an article about Brandon Teena before the movie "Boys Don’t Cry"came out. I saw the movie and noticed the discrepancies from the article. As I said before, I don’t go by what the movies show. I inform myself through other media.

No one has said anything about the second part of my post:
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"Oh, how about being afraid to attend school. Not being able to sit through one class without being harrassed. Scared to walk home because of the group who follows you every day. You know, those big, tough guys who can only fight while their friends hold you down.

Then there is the day you have to tell your family that something is “different’ about you. Ever wonderd how it feels to have your family turn their backs on you? Wow! I wonder why anyone one would feel silenced.”*

I didn’t see any of that in a movie. I watched friends of mine expierance it.

Kim

 

[estesbob]

No. I pointed out the lives of two people who were killed because they were gay. I’ve never seen a movie about Mathew Sheppard. I saw his story on the news and I read articles about it in the newspaper and magazines. I read an article about Brandon Teena before the movie "Boys Don’t Cry"came out. I saw the movie and noticed the discrepancies from the article. As I said before, I don’t go by what the movies show. I inform myself through other media.

No one has said anything about the second part of my post:

"Oh, how about being afraid to attend school. Not being able to sit through one class without being harrassed. Scared to walk home because of the group who follows you every day. You know, those big, tough guys who can only fight while their friends hold you down.

Then there is the day you have to tell your family that something is “different’ about you. Ever wonderd how it feels to have your family turn their backs on you? Wow! I wonder why anyone one would feel silenced.”

I didn’t see any of that in a movie. I watched friends of mine expierance it.

Kim

So we are to base law on ancedotal evidence? You had a friend people were mean to therefore we must embrace the poltical aenda of those who engage in homosexual behavior?

 

[M-Dent]

No one has said anything about the second part of my post:
*
"Oh, how about being afraid to attend school. Not being able to sit through one class without being harassed. Scared to walk home because of the group who follows you every day. You know, those big, tough guys who can only fight while their friends hold you down.*

Kim, as a youth I got in plenty of scraps sticking up for Jewish kids and one guitarist I took lessons from who some bullies harassed as being gay. Thought, the majority of violence I ever saw was bullying attacks based on race.

The Catholic Chuirch, my parents and my conscience always promoted doing what you can to STOP bullying. Though most recommened I just report it instead of ever fighting - I still can’t tolerate just watching someone get beaten. And I certainly just can’t walk away. As a youngster I may not have techincally won all the confrontations I encountered (since it seemed I was outnumbered or vastly outsized most of the time. And once you stand against a group it can continue.) but I don’t regret and blood or stiches.

Yet on the subject I’d never tell anyone being an “acting homosexual” is the right thing to do. I’d be a liar because I do care about the state of people’s souls. Regadless of full consent there’s consequences for us all.

So I won’t support the agenda of risking salvation with a day of silence.

 

[GreenJeans]

In general terms, how do we determine who should be bullied, and who should be offered protection from bullying? When faced with bullying, under what circumstances do we speak up, under what circumstances to we remain silent, and under what circumstances do we discourage others from speaking up?

 

[M-Dent]

In general terms, how do we determine who should be bullied, and who should be offered protection from bullying? When faced with bullying, under what circumstances do we speak up, under what circumstances to we remain silent, and under what circumstances do we discourage others from speaking up?

Bullying is wrong period. Bullying is abusing one made in the Image of God.

Where all in this together. Paul explains it rather plainly,

11 Put on the armor of God so that you may be able to stand firm against the tactics of the devil.

12 For our struggle is not with flesh and blood but with the principalities, with the powers, with the world rulers of this present darkness, with the evil spirits in the heavens.

Ephesians 6

 

[mesquite_magic]

Kim, as a youth I got in plenty of scraps sticking up for Jewish kids and one guitarist I took lessons from who some bullies harassed as being gay. Thought, the majority of violence I ever saw was bullying attacks based on race.

The Catholic Chuirch, my parents and my conscience always promoted doing what you can to STOP bullying. Though most recommened I just report it instead of ever fighting - I still can’t tolerate just watching someone get beaten. And I certainly just can’t walk away. As a youngster I may not have techincally won all the confrontations I encountered (since it seemed I was outnumbered or vastly outsized most of the time. And once you stand against a group it can continue.) but I don’t regret and blood or stiches.

Yet on the subject I’d never tell anyone being an “acting homosexual” is the right thing to do. I’d be a liar because I do care about the state of people’s souls. Regadless of full consent there’s consequences for us all.

So I won’t support the agenda of risking salvation with a day of silence.

I did stand up for them. I stood up for anyone being bullied. Guess I should have said saw not watched… I still stand up for them. My friend was so worried about his parents kicking him out for admitting he was gay, that we pretended to be dating.

Who are we to push our morals on someone else? It’s great that you care about their souls, but maybe they don’t want you to. Maybe they really don’t care about God and religion. Why should they be forced to?

I know some wonderful Lesbian parents. One couple have foster/adopted two children who were born drug addicted. In the year that these women fostered their son, no straight couple stepped up to foster or adopt him. The kids are beautiful, healthy and well taken care of. They are very much loved. Who am I to tell these women they can’t adopt?

I worked with a women who couldn’t put her girlfriend on her insurance. That was eleven years ago, so Colorado laws may have changed since then. The partner suffered from a mental disorder to the extent that she couldn’t work and really needed the health insurance. Why shouldn’t they legally get it?

Kim

 

[mesquite_magic]

So we are to base law on ancedotal evidence? You had a friend people were mean to therefore we must embrace the poltical aenda of those who engage in homosexual behavior?

No. We give them equal rights under the law because they are human. You don’t have to embrace their agenda any more than they have to embrace our religous agenda.

Kim

 

[Urf]

There was no message of hate. The only hate exhibited came from those promoting sexual deviancy.

Oh the glory of looking away from any side but your own. Keep it up

 

[shadow_fire]

If kids went to school with anti black shirts on would it be acceptable? no. And there are religous groups such as the KKK that believe blacks are sinful just as Catholics claim homosexual acts are sinful so these children are not justified.

 

[MichaelTDoyle]

If kids went to school with anti black shirts on would it be acceptable? no. And there are religous groups such as the KKK that believe blacks are sinful just as Catholics claim homosexual acts are sinful so these children are not justified.

The KKK was not a religous group. It was a very uncivic civic group and a band of vigilsantes.

The claim that those who practice and advocate perverse sexuality are analogous to people with a particular skin color is in itself racist.

 

[Urf]

The KKK was not a religous group. It was a very uncivic civic group and a band of vigilsantes.

The claim that those who practice and advocate perverse sexuality are analogous to people with a particular skin color is in itself racist.

Care to explain?

 

[MichaelTDoyle]

Care to explain?

Homosexual activists link their struggle which is based on their desire to act in certain ways to a struggle of people who were discriminated against because of their human appearance. This denigrates the civil rights struggle to a struggle of people trying to legislate what they want as homosexual activists want rather than a noble struggle for equal human dignity for people who look different.

Desiring equal treatment because you want to act out perverse sexuality is an attempt to normalize and legislate desires. Most subtly damaging is the attempt of advocates of perverse sexuality to conflate sexual urges and drives with the identity of a human being rather than simply a subordinate component of the human being.

Minorities who have experienced discrimination have every right to be morally outraged at those who seek to have approval of perversity and licentiousness and seek to steal the mantle and honor and glory of those who risked their lives to proclaim the essential dignity and equality of every human being based solely on their humanity and not on their desire for perverse sexual license, which is in fact a grave sin.

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Those who hear the Good News have a special calling to be charitable in truth which is very difficult given the strong desire sin has on our fallen nature. As Catholics it is good to point out every human beings inherent dignity, but to do so without reminding and admonishing the offense to God of grave sin is not a charity, but cowardice in the face of worldly judgement.

I wonder if this post will land me in jail in a few years!

 

[GreenJeans]

Homosexual activists link their struggle which is based on their desire to act in certain ways to a struggle of people who were discriminated against because of their human appearance. This denigrates the civil rights struggle to a struggle of people trying to legislate what they want as homosexual activists want rather than a noble struggle for equal human dignity for people who look different.

Desiring equal treatment because you want to act out perverse sexuality is an attempt to normalize and legislate desires. Most subtly damaging is the attempt of advocates of perverse sexuality to conflate sexual urges and drives with the identity of a human being rather than simply a subordinate component of the human being.

Minorities who have experienced discrimination have every right to be morally outraged at those who seek to have approval of perversity and licentiousness and seek to steal the mantle and honor and glory of those who risked their lives to proclaim the essential dignity and equality of every human being based solely on their humanity and not on their desire for perverse sexual license, which is in fact a grave sin.

sidebar

Those who hear the Good News have a special calling to be charitable in truth which is very difficult given the strong desire sin has on our fallen nature. As Catholics it is good to point out every human beings inherent dignity, but to do so without reminding and admonishing the offense to God of grave sin is not a charity, but cowardice in the face of worldly judgement.

I wonder if this post will land me in jail in a few years!

Do you object to efforts to curb bullying gays? How about if those efforts are undertaken and organized by gays?

Do you object to efforts to curb bullying Catholics? How about if those efforts are undertaken by Catholics?

Understand this is not an accusation that you favor bullying of anyone. I have no basis for such an accusation. I ask it in the context of the thread topic and your views on how the struggle of gays differs from that of other groups.

 

[MichaelTDoyle]

Do you object to efforts to curb bullying gays?

I think all bullying* should be prohibited. Ok?

How about if those efforts are undertaken and organized by gays?

I think people should be prosecuted for bullying by the law. It is certainly appropriate for someone with SSAD to file charges and it is certainly appropriate to lobby and inform the public that bullying is wrong and bullyin because people are different or sinners is wrong. We are not to judge our fellow citizens. Ok?

Do you object to efforts to curb bullying Catholics? How about if those efforts are undertaken by Catholics?

The rules about bullying apply universally. Bullies should be prosecuted.

The secular law and government overeaches its means when it attempts to legislate on “causes” rather than “effects”. They are not telepathic and have no gaurantee of wisdom. If someone is bullied prosecute the one bullying. There is no need to get into the root cause of the transgressed law. In fact there is o real competence of the secular authority to examine souls of the offeded o the offender. Prosecute bullies period. This is why I do not like “hate” laws; they seek to read people’s intent and humans are incompetent at that or we would not have crucified Jesus.

*Bullying here is meant to mean physical assault, not harsh words or tshirts. (people can be imprudent and wear anti-Catholic tshirts write chick tracts without being imprisoned.)

 

[Jaypeeto3]

God help this and other nations when what His Word says is flat out mortal sin, is held up as a protected virtue.

But “worldlings” aren’t alone to blame for the ridiculous hate-crimes laws being enacted.

50% of professing Catholics in the USA vote for liberals.
So, 50% of us are voting the enemies of our own faith into office.

 

[GreenJeans]

I think all bullying* should be prohibited. Ok?

I think people should be prosecuted for bullying by the law. It is certainly appropriate for someone with SSAD to file charges and it is certainly appropriate to lobby and inform the public that bullying is wrong and bullyin because people are different or sinners is wrong. We are not to judge our fellow citizens. Ok?

The rules about bullying apply universally. Bullies should be prosecuted.

The secular law and government overeaches its means when it attempts to legislate on “causes” rather than “effects”. They are not telepathic and have no gaurantee of wisdom. If someone is bullied prosecute the one bullying. There is no need to get into the root cause of the transgressed law. In fact there is o real competence of the secular authority to examine souls of the offeded o the offender. Prosecute bullies period. This is why I do not like “hate” laws; they seek to read people’s intent and humans are incompetent at that or we would not have crucified Jesus.

*Bullying here is meant to mean physical assault, not harsh words or tshirts. (people can be imprudent and wear anti-Catholic tshirts write chick tracts without being imprisoned.)

There is nothing in what you said I would disagree with. I also see he hate crime laws as unnecessary, and I agree bullies should be prosecuted. We have had hate crime laws protecting religion since 1968, and I don’t see any good that has come from them.

However, action can be taken that does not involve the law or filng of charges. People can campaign for or against various causes, behaviors, and practices. If these campaigns succeed, there is no need to involve the law.

I would note that bullying of anyone is a problem, but often a group has the resources to advocate for its own, and undertakes such advocacy in its own self-interest. We see this type of advocacy in organizations from the NAACP to the Catholic League…

So, do you object to gays organizing campaigns to encourage people to reject the bullying of gays? Likewise, would you object to Catholics organizing campaigns to encourage people to reject the bullying of Catholics?

 

[Jaypeeto3]

There is no moral comparison between practicing sodomites
and faithful Catholics. That’s comparing apples and oranges.

 

[M-Dent]

GreenJeans, if a day of silence was against “bullying” in society unity would be widespread from every group.

Yet having a day of silence in Schools for kids who say, pick their noses and lunch on the remains shouldn’t be encouraged. Not many want to hear them demanding public support for their behavior disorder. Yet still they certainly should be bullied for it.