“Sweating” of Jesus in the tomb where he was laid hints Jesus lived

[Hajnalcsillag]

swariffin, Pilate was not there. But his soldiers were there and only the senior soldier (man in-charge) was well advised by Pilate not to harm Jesus. It was a covert operation. That soldier did not know about the real things. So he being one of the soldiers struck spear into Jesus body. Immediately, water and blood gushed out of the body. That proved Jesus was alive and his heart was working.

May be it is gift from God that some one struck a spear and it is a big proof of living Jesus. I do not know at what stage Jesus became a god. Was he god all the time? Or he became god after crucifixion? After resurrection?

That actually proves nothing about being alive. Blood doesn’t “gush” (or see a “sudden flow”, as John wrote) unless an artery or something larger is punctured or severed.

I’d be curious to know how someone could take a spear wound to the side that would sever not just an artery, but probably the inferior vena cava (if not the heart itself) and somehow live. Heck, Steve Irwin died in less than a minute from something very similar to it; it’s believed that removal of a sting ray barb was what did it. A spear wouldn’t be jabbed into someone and left there; it would be withdrawn immediately (and was, as evidence by “bringing forth a sudden flow”).

 

[swariffin]

swariffin, Pilate was not there. But his soldiers were there and only the senior soldier (man in-charge) was well advised by Pilate not to harm Jesus. It was a covert operation. That soldier did not know about the real things. So he being one of the soldiers struck spear into Jesus body. Immediately, water and blood gushed out of the body. That proved Jesus was alive and his heart was working.

May be it is gift from God that some one struck a spear and it is a big proof of living Jesus. I do not know at what stage Jesus became a god. Was he god all the time? Or he became god after crucifixion? After resurrection?

I wonder how do you call it a covert operation if a soldier disobey his senior in the field???

 

[swariffin]

When a live body is cut, the “water” isn’t evident. When a dead body is cut, the “water” is evident. When a live body is cut, how the blood comes out, depends upon whether a vein, or an artery has been cut. When a dead body is cut, regardless of whether a vein, or an artery has been cut, it comes out the same way.

Furthermore, when a live body is cut, there is a rhythm to how the blood comes out. When a dead body is cut, there is no rhythm — simply an single gush, that explodes everything at one swoop.

jonathon

I don’t think both Planten and Paarsurrey know something about being a surgeon, brother. But, they are still nice persons to talk to, though we have a difference in logical thinking.

 

[swariffin]

If I thought that you would get the Star Trek: The Next Generation reference, I would say “Wrong again, Albert.”

All that proves is that it was in contact with a bleeding body. Until the blood is gone or there is coagulation, even the dead bleed

Yes, and not mentioning that Jesus was not washed before buried.

 

[ralphinal]

these two have done a good job in showing limited understanding of anatomy and physiology, military history and operations, and the historical truth of the Roman Army and empire.

Why do we wonder when their theology is off, too?

I do enjoy talking to them and I do pray for them as well.

 

[swariffin]

Christ died for us. Muslims deny this because they deny salvation. He died for our sins. Muslims deny that anyone can bear the sins of another. He died and rose from the dead. Anybody who denies this is bound for the Lake of Fire. I love Jesus my Savior.

Paarsurrey is against his own belief, brother. Muslim believe that it was not Jesus who was crucified. Paar believes that Jesus was indeed being crucified, although survive the crucifiction.

 

[swariffin]

May be it is gift from God that some one struck a spear and it is a big proof of living Jesus. I do not know at what stage Jesus became a god. Was he god all the time? Or he became god after crucifixion? After resurrection?

Jesus is God from the beginning. Look at John 1:1.

 

[guanophore]

… in my opinion.

That pretty much sums it up!

 

[planten]

Paarsurrey is against his own belief, brother. Muslim believe that it was not Jesus who was crucified. Paar believes that Jesus was indeed being crucified, although survive the crucifiction.

**That is right. Most Muslims have been hoodwinked into some false theory that it was not Jesus on the cross but it was some one else whose shape was changed into Jesus.

That is absolutely false and not attributed to the prophet at all. That Is fiction, a made up story, not useful for the Muslims and christians and Jews. Would the christians and Jews agree to that theory that it was not Jesus himself on the cross?? I hope not.

Then why to mention it again and again?**

 

[planten]

Jesus is God from the beginning. Look at John 1:1.

**Thanks swariffin. If Jesus was god from the beginning to end then he must have gone through many transformations, mutations… conception, development, delivery, growth, life and death… (Why death?)

He may have been a sperm too?? (Perhaps).

He was God and came into the belly (womb) of Mary. Then where was the Great God? And who was ruling (running) the Universe?

You people say that God can do anything and everything and he can become a man too. Well, Well. What for?

Can he not forgive or save the people without becoming a man? Please reply to all my questions ( kindly, gently). Thanks in advance.**

 

[dolphinlove]

**Thanks swariffin. If Jesus was god from the beginning to end then he must have gone through many transformations, mutations… conception, development, delivery, growth, life and death… (Why death?)

He may have been a sperm too?? (Perhaps).

He was God and came into the belly (womb) of Mary. Then where was the Great God? And who was ruling (running) the Universe?

You people say that God can do anything and everything and he can become a man too. Well, Well. What for?

Can he not forgive or save the people without becoming a man? Please reply to all my questions ( kindly, gently). Thanks in advance.**

How can i explain this to you more simply. Jesus is the word of God… oh why should i bother, ive only repeated the same thing 100000000000000000000000000000000000 times to you

 

[paarsurrey]

Jesus is the word of God

Hi

Jesus is the word of God but not God as it was erroneous on the part of him of thinking to become a man. One who makes a mistake cannot be God.

I love Jesus; kindly let him remain a man at least

Thanks

 

[Robertwilliam]

**Thanks swariffin. If Jesus was god from the beginning to end then he must have gone through many transformations, mutations… conception, development, delivery, growth, life and death… (Why death?)

He may have been a sperm too?? (Perhaps).

He was God and came into the belly (womb) of Mary. Then where was the Great God? And who was ruling (running) the Universe?

You people say that God can do anything and everything and he can become a man too. Well, Well. What for?

Can he not forgive or save the people without becoming a man? Please reply to all my questions ( kindly, gently). Thanks in advance.**

Jesus is the eternally begotten son from eternity, without a mother.
The only begotten son of Mary without an earthly father, hence, no sperm.
Jesus is the second person of the Holy Trinity, He said while on earth " even the son of man WHICH IS IN HEAVEN…" Present in heaven in His Divinity, present on earth in His Humanity.
He became man to save us from our sins, by dying for us.
He had to become human to save humans, what he did not become, he could not save.

 

[Bill_Pick]

Paarsurrey is against his own belief, brother. Muslim believe that it was not Jesus who was crucified. Paar believes that Jesus was indeed being crucified, although survive the crucifiction.

PAARSURREY Most all his post and tread are hog wash,Jesus had many wifes and lived to the age of 123 its just trash…

 

[Robertwilliam]

Hi

Jesus is the word of God but not God as it was erroneous on the part of him of thinking to become a man. One who makes a mistake cannot be God.

I love Jesus; kindly let him remain a man at least

Thanks

" Before Abraham was I Am." Jesus
“What is your name?.. Yahweh said: I AM that I AM.” Exodus, Moses.

 

[bpcatholic]

Hi

Jesus is the word of God but not God as it was erroneous on the part of him of thinking to become a man. One who makes a mistake cannot be God.

I love Jesus; kindly let him remain a man at least

Thanks

What mistake did he make?

 

[paarsurrey]

What mistake did he make?

Hi the mistake is that of thinking to become a man as our Catholic friends believe on the par of CatholicGod and then actually becoming a man who is apt to err. Mistake on the part of CatholicGod and then on the part of Jesus the man to accept this faulty preposition, in my opinion.

Jesus could have refused it if he had the free will, in my opinion. Did he have a free will or not?

I love Jesus

Thanks

 

[bpcatholic]

Hi the mistake is that of thinking to become a man as our Catholic friends believe on the par of CatholicGod and then actually becoming a man who is apt to err. Mistake on the part of CatholicGod and then on the part of Jesus the man to accept this faulty preposition, in my opinion.

Jesus could have refused it if he had the free will, in my opinion. Did he have a free will or not?

I love Jesus

Thanks

Jesus became man free from sin. He was perfect. Jesus did not have a fallen nature like we do. Yes, Jesus had free will. He chose to become man because He loved us.

 

[planten]

Jesus became man free from sin. He was perfect. Jesus did not have a fallen nature like we do. Yes, Jesus had free will. He chose to become man because He loved us.

Just by the simple reason of proving his love for us, Jesus became a man. That is not understandable. He could not show his love without becoming a man. There was no reason tobecome a man at all.

If he wanted to forgive the sins of mankind, he could always do it at any time without becoming a man. It is also wrong to believe that only Jesus was sinless. In that way the Catholics have no faith, no faith in any one except Jesus. That is wrong.

We Muslims have faith in all the prophets / messengers of God. We believe them all to be sinless. But in any case we do not believe that only Jesus was sinless. That is not a good belief to say that only Jesus was sinless. All others (even a new born baby) are sinful. Please consider…

 

[swariffin]

**That is right. Most Muslims have been hoodwinked into some false theory that it was not Jesus on the cross but it was some one else whose shape was changed into Jesus.

That is absolutely false and not attributed to the prophet at all. That Is fiction, a made up story, not useful for the Muslims and christians and Jews. Would the christians and Jews agree to that theory that it was not Jesus himself on the cross?? I hope not.

Then why to mention it again and again?**

Because Quran said so. Are you against what is written explicitly in Quran??