“The hour has come .... abandon the practice of Communion standing and in the hand”

[nice2000]

I think maybe allowing the reception of Holy Eucharist in the hand while the Communicant stands is an experiment whose time has come and is going. Read on:

Vatican, Jun. 26, 2008 (CWNews.com) - The new director of the Vatican liturgical office has strongly encouraged kneeling to receive Communion, indicating that Pope Benedict XVI (bio - news) prefers the practice.
cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=59335

Again for the Holy Mass for Sts. Peter and Paul, the Holy Father is distributing Communion only to people who are kneeling and he is giving It on the tongue only.

You could see them set up the kneeler.
wdtprs.com/blog/2008/06/communion-on-the-tongue-kneeling-benedict-xvis-good-example/

VATICAN CITY (CNS) – Receiving the Eucharist on the tongue while kneeling before the pope will become the norm at papal liturgies, said the Vatican’s liturgist.
catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0803381.htm

Bishop Athanasius Schneider, Auxiliary Bishop of Karaganda in Kazakhstan, has written a book called Dominus Est, published by the Libreria Editrice Vaticana. Bishop Schneider looks particularly at the question of how we should receive Holy Communion, favouring the practice of kneeling and receiving Holy Communion on the tongue. Not only has the book been published by the Vatican press, it also has a Foreword by Archbishop Malcolm Ranjith, Secretary of the Congregation for Divine Worship.
the-hermeneutic-of-continuity.blogspot.com/2008/01/communion-kneeling-on-tongue.html

These were just a few I got quickly from a google search.

Thanks for the links Philothea.

Hopefully one day we will see more Bishops, Priests etc following suit of Pope Benedict XVI.

 

[AJV]

Many of the crumbs are so small that they are microscoptic. It always the case that microscoptic particles that are not visible, are left behind. Even these small particles that are not visible are still Jesus and constitute sacrilege.

If the Particles are indeed microscopic i.e. not visible to the naked eye, then there is no moral obligation. Those Particles which are lost are then cared for by the angels, as St. Robert Bellarmine says. Several moralists said this even for minute visible Particles that may have been lost and which might prove indistinguishable.

That assumes of course, that microscopic particles are still “bread”, scholastically speaking. It is highly doubtful and therefore the Presence of Christ will also have ceased. That the Presence ceases if the particles of bread or wine are small enough is well attested in many pre-Vatican II moral theology manuals and while quibbling may be done in the case of *visible *particles, for invisible ones, it definitely is not.

I found some of the arguments of this article very interesting - it was written by a canonist at the beginning of the last century. The idea of the care of Particles crops up because the communion-paten (and the accompanying rubrics found in the 1962 Ritus Servandus) was not always employed in the usage of the Church and was only licitly sanctioned from 1921.

 

[pnewton]

And the rubrics require this just because someone got an idea that it might be a fun thing for the Priest to do while the congregation waited? I think there is something more substantial to it.

No, because the possibility exists for crumbs, and even more likely, remnants of the blood. This is not the same as saying there are always crumbs when one receives in the hand. The two are not equivalent statements. In the case of a priest that was able to find a nearly perfectly baked bread that almost never lost crumbs, he would still have to follow the rubrics.

 

[pnewton]

I think maybe allowing the reception of Holy Eucharist in the hand while the Communicant stands is an experiment whose time has come and is going. Read on:

Perhaps. Time will tell. Until then, let us be charitable to the faithful who do not do exactly as we do.

 

[Miles_Mariae]

KIDDO?

Ha Ha, I turned 71 last Friday.

Okay

Have a nice day.

 

[saint_rafael]

KIDDO?

Ha Ha, I turned 71 last Friday.

My condolences. Not because of your age, but because your age places you in the category of that notorious Vatican II generation.

I now see that you think the way do, because of the revolution of liberalism and Modernism brought forth by your generation.

Rest assured that my generation will clean up all the mess you guys brought in to the Church. My generation is leading the charge in the Traditionalist movement. When we become bishops, will throw all the abuses and nonsense out the window.

 

[ethelzguy]

My condolences. Not because of your age, but because your age places you in the category of that notorious Vatican II generation.

I now see that you think the way do, because of the revolution of liberalism and Modernism brought forth by your generation.

Rest assured that my generation will clean up all the mess you guys brought in to the Church. My generation is leading the charge in the Traditionalist movement. When we become bishops, will throw all the abuses and nonsense out the window.

Assuming facts not yet in evidence often leads to one looking foolish. We all know what happens when you assume.

I will wait with baited breath for your ordination and elevation to Bishop.

 

[saint_rafael]

It is an indult, just like the TLM. I also oppose those who blast traditional Catholics for preferring the indult to the normative. Again, live and let live. This is the current rule of disciple and the wisdom of the Church. For those consider themself wiser in this issue, then by all means pray it will be overturned, write letters, but back off your fellow Catholic’s case, for goodness sake.

The TLM was never supposed to be an indult. Pope Benedict and Summorum Pontificum fixed that lie. The TLM was never abrogated. You never needed permission for the TLM. Traditionalists were right. It was never an indult.

We can not let and let live something that was harmful and destructive for the Church. We will continue to get the hierarchy to reverse this mistake. In the meantime, we must get as many Catholics as possible to abandon this abuse and return to the norm of communion on the tongue.

Hopefully, priests will start to have the courage to refuse to give Communion in the Hand and only allow on the tongue in their parishes.
Bishops should also remove the indult for their diocese. The bishop of Lima, Peru has already done so and everyone recieves on the tongue in his diocese.

 

[saint_rafael]

Assuming facts not yet in evidence often leads to one looking foolish. We all know what happens when you assume.

I will wait with baited breath for your ordination and elevation to Bishop.

I am still discerning my vocation and I might still become a priest and be ordained.

I never said anything about myself becoming a bishop, I only said that my fellow Trads in my generation will become bishops.

In any way, you will not live long enough to see my generation reach the office of bishop.

You are closer to judgement because at your age, death could be days, months, years, or over a deacade away.

 

[bobzills]

The TLM was never supposed to be an indult. Pope Benedict and Summorum Pontificum fixed that lie. The TLM was never abrogated. You never needed permission for the TLM. Traditionalists were right. It was never an indult…

I am not sure what lie you are speaking about here. In 1984, the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments sent out the letter Quattuor abhinc annos, granting diocesan bishops an “indult” to authorize, under certain conditions, celebrations of the Tridentine Mass.
Pope John Paul II issued the Ecclesia Dei on 2 July 1988 arecommending a wide and generous application of the directives of the 1984 indult.
I don’t see why these official directives issued from the Vatican would be lies.

 

[lovesMary]

This thread is bizarre and disconcerting. It sounds like a lot of hairsplitting nonsense. This isn’t the Catholic faith I know, I’ve never heard anyone in real life talk about this superstitious sounding nonsense.

Worrying about a small particle? Why would Christ have initiated a Eucharist with bread if this was such an issue? This is ridiculous, I can’t believe what I’m reading.

 

[Aramis]

It is not clear if they even did recieve in the hand or not. I have read that it was possible that they recieved on the toungue with a spoon, keeping with the Eastern traditions.

No none knows. If they did recieve on the hand, it was fine because as bishops, they had consecrated hands.

The do not receive the keys until later; they were not yet bishops.

 

[seekerz]

Thanks for the words of appreciation expressed by some of you. The issue of external religious practices versus ‘state of the heart’ is a passionate issue for me because some very painful experiences, but enough of that…

This post was one I could not overlook:

God is a hundred times more harsh and takes these things more seriously than any priest in the world could.
Ignorance is what covers many Catholics, but woe to those who know the truth about Communion in the hand, bcause they are aware of sacrilege and this danger.

“Harsh” is not a word I would use to describe our God but maybe it’s just a matter of personal choice.

One of the scripture passages that has been coming to mind since last night is Isaiah 1: 11-17. Please note that absolutely no accusation or offense is meant here. All I’m pointing out is that God professes Himself to be “disgusted” with certain religious practices not because they were not being performed according to the prescribed formula, but because the people’s hearts were not right before Him. Here is defined the type of worship that displeases God.

Pretty clear where the real danger lies I’d say…

 

[pnewton]

My generation is leading the charge in the Traditionalist movement. When we become bishops, will throw all the abuses and nonsense out the window.

Do you know how much you sound like every other generation when they were your age? I guess times might change, but people don’t. Just realize that when your idealistic future does not unfold as you imagine, most of us older people have seen that happen over and over.

 

[AJV]

You are closer to judgement …

Oh you never know. Earthquake, lightning bolt, car on the road, slippery floor, fishbone in the food, Al Qaida…one moment you’re here and next moment you’re genuflecting to the first Pope.

 

[Joannm]

Does anybody really believe that by receiving on the tongue, that never, ever does a particle fall? Oh please. what bout men’s beards or ties, or womans blouses, etc.

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Or bride’s dresses…it took me awhile to find this. It is about 1/2 way through.
youtube.com/watch?v=9UQFdngUli

 

[saint_rafael]

I am not sure what lie you are speaking about here. In 1984, the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments sent out the letter Quattuor abhinc annos, granting diocesan bishops an “indult” to authorize, under certain conditions, celebrations of the Tridentine Mass.
Pope John Paul II issued the Ecclesia Dei on 2 July 1988 arecommending a wide and generous application of the directives of the 1984 indult.
I don’t see why these official directives issued from the Vatican would be lies.

Have you read Summorum Pontificum?

It stated that the TLM was never abrogated and it never needed permission. A priest could always say it without permission from the bishop.

The 1984 and 1988 indults were wrong because the TLM never needed an indult, Rome and Pope John Paul II got it wrong.

This lie was fixed by Pope Benedict who spoke the truth in Summorum Pontificum. No indult was ever needed because the TLM was never juridically abrogated.

 

[saint_rafael]

Do you know how much you sound like every other generation when they were your age? I guess times might change, but people don’t. Just realize that when your idealistic future does not unfold as you imagine, most of us older people have seen that happen over and over.

Prior generations wanted a revolution. The Vatican II generation wanted to get rid of tradition and orthodoxy.

The stats show people my age are more orthodox, conservative and traditional than the previous generations.

The TLM is exploding due to Catholics in their 20’s and even early 30’s. Young Catholic families are attending the TLM in huge numbers compared to the absense of any youth in the novus ordo.

We don’t care about revolution, the new theology, “spirit of Vatican II” or the “signs of the times”. We care about restoration.

 

[DonaNobis_Pacem]

Let’s not have the plug pulled on another thread because of going off-topic or there being too much virulent debate.

That said, I am praying for everyone here with sincere charity, for you are all my brothers and sisters. Lord, make us instruments of Thy peace.

 

[Cara_Serrano]

Just in case this thread is still about how to receive Communion…

If it becomes mandatory to receive on the tongue, then I will cetainly receive Communion that way. But then I will insist on receiving the Body of Christ from a priest whose hands are consecrated. Why should I give up receiving in my unholy hands just so I can receive Communion from the equally unholy hands of a lay minister? If my hands are not good enough to do this, then neither are the hands of any lay minister of the Eucharist!