“The possibilities of a post-Vatican II Church”

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The first three paragraphs from an article from The California Catholic Daily; (emphasis mine)

**“The possibilities of a post-Vatican II Church” **
*Speakers for upcoming Northern California Lay Convocation not exactly models of orthodoxy *

For the second consecutive year, Catholics in Northern California will gather at the University of San Francisco to discuss how to increase lay involvement in the Church. The Northern California Lay Convocation on Sept. 6 will focus on three priorities identified by last year’s convocation – **how to form pastoral councils, giving effective homilies, and finding a place for women’s voices in the liturgy. **
Organizers of the convocation – “Bringing Voice to Faith” – expect 400 attendees, said the Aug. 4 Catholic Voice, the newspaper of the Oakland diocese. The convocation will feature two speakers: Mark F. Fischer, a faculty member at St. John’s Seminary in Camarillo and an expert on pastoral councils, and Sister Eloise Rosenblatt, a member of the progressive-leaning Sisters of Mercy, Burlingame, and a “feminist theologian.”

Sister Eloise also addressed last year’s convocation. In her talk she noted that “some of the hotly debated issues” she had heard “involve substantive unresolved questions of Church life – women’s incorporation in ministry and decision making, **the survival of the priesthood and the rule of celibacy, the Church’s teaching on human sexuality, laity having a voice in the selection of local bishops… protecting freedom of speech… promotion of a collegial and collaborative leadership style between hierarchy and laity with genuine consultation with laity” on **a variety of issues.
 
The first three paragraphs from an article from The California Catholic Daily; (emphasis mine)

**“The possibilities of a post-Vatican II Church” **
*Speakers for upcoming Northern California Lay Convocation not exactly models of orthodoxy *

For the second consecutive year, Catholics in Northern California will gather at the University of San Francisco to discuss how to increase lay involvement in the Church. The Northern California Lay Convocation on Sept. 6 will focus on three priorities identified by last year’s convocation – **how to form pastoral councils, giving effective homilies, and finding a place for women’s voices in the liturgy. **
Organizers of the convocation – “Bringing Voice to Faith” – expect 400 attendees, said the Aug. 4 Catholic Voice, the newspaper of the Oakland diocese. The convocation will feature two speakers: Mark F. Fischer, a faculty member at St. John’s Seminary in Camarillo and an expert on pastoral councils, and Sister Eloise Rosenblatt, a member of the progressive-leaning Sisters of Mercy, Burlingame, and a “feminist theologian.”

Sister Eloise also addressed last year’s convocation. In her talk she noted that “some of the hotly debated issues” she had heard “involve substantive unresolved questions of Church life – women’s incorporation in ministry and decision making, **the survival of the priesthood and the rule of celibacy, the Church’s teaching on human sexuality, laity having a voice in the selection of local bishops… protecting freedom of speech… promotion of a collegial and collaborative leadership style between hierarchy and laity with genuine consultation with laity” on **a variety of issues.
After reading the last paragraph, all I can say is pray, pray, pray for these people
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
After reading the last paragraph, all I can say is pray, pray, pray for these people
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
I agree and I hope that I don’t derail this thread by asking this question:

When was the last time in the history of the Catholic Church, that a particular diocese or area separated itself from the Catholic Church?
 
I agree and I hope that I don’t derail this thread by asking this question:

When was the last time in the history of the Catholic Church, that a particular diocese or area separated itself from the Catholic Church?
I honestly do not know. Was it the reformation.
Prayers and Blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
At this year’s conference, Sister Eloise, a canon lawyer :eek: , will address “Offering the Homiletic Voice of the Layman and Laywoman.” But, Rob Grant, convocation spokesman and member of the steering committee, told the Catholic Voice the convocation is not calling for women to give homilies but, well that’s good] said the Voice, “to point out opportunities in the liturgy where canon law allows women to speak.”
:ehh: :hmmm: 🤷

What does that mean? Where can a “Homiletic Voice of the Layman and Laywoman” be offered “in the liturgy?” I can understand if you want to have speakers in the hall after Mass discussing the day’s readings, but “in the liturgy?” Where? And, a “canon lawyer” is talking like this??
 
What the good sister describes is the Episcopal church!!!
You DON’T want to go there.
 
What the good sister describes is the Episcopal church!!!
You DON’T want to go there.
I’m not female. Right click on my id and you will see. Well actually you won’t see but have to trust me on this one!!
 
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