rastell said:
And you assume she would NOT have been scarred by having an abortion? I assure you the data do not support your premise. Further, I cannot fathom that your wife is not uplifted by the reality that she gave a human being life.
First the term ‘fetus’ is demeaning and dehumanizing. So let’s not get in a battle over rhetoric. You are using it as well. As to fetus-centricity, that is a fallacy. I could counter your point with the “egg donor centricity” of the proaborts. They don’t seem to consider the child as anything more than a minor irritant. The only issue is ridding the mother of her little problem. Prolife groups are the ones that are providing support, medical care, and assistance to pregnant women.
Well what about the baby’s life being impacted? It’s KILLED. At least the mother gets to go on with her life after abortion. Futher there are also problems, emotional and physical, associated with abortion. You cannot ignore these issues and focus only on problems of pregnancy.
Well you need to do a little research because VERY FEW women seeking abortions are in any kind of desperate situation. The major reason for abortion is the inconvenience of a pregnancy. The proaborts often use the specter of a desperate teen, impregnated against her will who is afraid to tell her parents as the ‘average’ client. Not true. The average client is more likely to be a 25 year old white woman who has a job or is going to school. She doesn’t want the bother, inconvenience, or side effects of pregnancy. She isn’t desperate, just annoyed.
Gee let’s see. When abortion was illegal how many 16 year olds were thrown in jail? HMMMMM, I think it was none. I don’t think there were any abortion practitioners thrown in jail either.
BULL HOCKEY!!! No one said, first of all, that we should force the women to have these babies. FORCE being the key word. Second, BEEN THERE. Wanna know what I said to my abusive boyfriend when I was pregnant with his child(our 2nd, by the way. I had a miscarriage with the first one)He wanted me to have an abortion. I told him to "F-word off and die, I’d rather kill you than kill my child! As a mother, I knew that I had to PROTECT my child. If that meant leaving him if he would hurt my child and taking his butt to court and having the kid legally taken away from him, I would do it. I lost that child, too. But my 3rd child, the one whom I had a difficult preganancy with, I had an abusive man at that time, too. Different one, though. My son is the reason I got help and learned how to deal with abuse and how to spot 'em before i date them. My son is the reason that I got my spiritual life better and became a better Catholic(and I still have a long way to go) If a woman seriously believes that her child will be hurt or killed by the father of her child and she does nothing, she is just as culpable. Getting herself help and away from the creep is the best thing to do, NOT KILL HER BABY. THE MOM IS WORTH IT, TOO!
Thanks for your response. And we agree on a lot. And I would not throw a 16 yr old in jail either. I’d throw in the doctor. And the clinic administrator and the shareholders of the corporation that owns the clinic . . .
It was fought very hard by PP. But why? It didn’t introduce any new restrictions, just demanded informed consent. PP responded they provide informed consent. When asked how, they said when the woman calls for her appointment, after the appointment is made, they transfer her to a recorded voice with the information. Nothing in writing. Nothing to be sure that she really knows what she is agreeing to. Man, when she said that, you could hear a pin drop in the subcommittee room. *That * is informed consent?
“Fetus-centricity”? These are people who are supposed to be protected. They are the littlest, most helpless among us. `Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.’ Matt 25:45
Informed consent??!! Can you see my jaw dropping to the floor?Any procedure in a hospital gets better informed consent than that! It has to be obtained by a doctor, and the patient has to be competent and coherent AND SIGN THE PAPERWORK!
See, I see the Pro-abortion side as being very issue or agenda-centric. If they were truly woman oriented, why would they be reluctant to have the whole truth given to women so the woman could make the choice which is the best for them. Let the woman know of the suffering she will probably have. Let her know her dreams will be haunted for years, she might have problems carrying future children, she might have problems bonding with the children she is able to have, she might be more susceptible to breast cancer, esp if she has more than one abortion, and especially especially if she already has a family history, she is more susceptible to depression, substance abuse, suicidal thoughts, promiscuity, eating disorders, . . .
I agree. There’s more to the bill, I just quoted the stuff dealing with the side effects, including signatures and what not. My suggestion to the legislatures was that the patient be required to sign right next to the picture of the baby at the stage of development that the child was at the time of the prospective abortion (that way you know she saw it, as opposed to the clinic nurses saying sign here, sign here, sign here, with no explanation). And they are supposed to be in addition to the regular informed consent.
It’s all about the benjamins!! $$$$$$$$$
Norbert:nope: Not that you will respond but here it goes:nope: Norbert when you fight abortion you are fighting for the mother and child,the ramifications of abortions for the unborn CHILD( I used that term because the term fetus although accurate is used by pro-aborts to create the illusion that the unborn child is less worthy to live than the mom,it is a lie)are long lasting and alot more impactful than adoption could ever be.Why?An abortion is killing your child,I have relatives and friends that have done it too.Don’t tell me that is should be legal:tsktsk: The dead babies is NOT the only carnage left behind
" Call me a crazy, bleeding-heart Catholic, but I have a lot of sympathy for women forced into desperate situations because of unwanted pregnancy. “Me too but I do not give president to the woman or the onborn child,God gave them both life.” I don’t agree with abortion, but I also don’t agree with the rhetoric and fetus-centricity of many on the pro-life side. "What rhetoric would that be Norbert?The 4,000 dead children in this country alone?Or perhaps expecting that people would actually teach young women that this is an option,while we have generations of “choices” running around killing people who get in their way teens committing suicide and killing each other,why Norbert?Children are gifts who are now called burdens,who you can be killed legally by a doctor.Where is the Mercy or sympathy for the mother or child,Norbert?
How recent is the book? You can get these figures through the National Institute of Health. However I wonder if this is underreporting because many abortions take place in doctors’ offices and other places where reporting is not mandatory.
Wow! what an idea! Sex education! The schools ought to try that! Have you suggested this to anyone? Does anyone know about this?? Can I use the idea at the next school trustee meeting here??
The book is copyrighted 1998. Even so, it does a good job of letting us in on the old numbers from the 60’s. etc. Also, it gives a glimpse into the minds of the abortion rights people who, I confess, I just don’t get.
They already have babies. Having their babies ripped from the wombs is the WORST scenario, not the “ideal.”
Absolutely correct. Well said.
