1 John 4:20. We must love Satan?

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[BIBLEDRB]1 John 4:20[/BIBLEDRB]

If we do not love our neighbor, we hate God…

So does that mean we must love Satan too?
 
[BIBLEDRB]1 John 4:20[/BIBLEDRB]

If we do not love our neighbor, we hate God…

So does that mean we must love Satan too?
Hmmmm… Satan is a fallen angel…not human…is he considered a “brother”?
 
In a word NO.
Actually, since I converted I have made an effort to love Satan, in the sense that I feel bad for the state he has fallen into, and I pray that he may be redeemed and see reason, even if it may be that he never does. I don’t know if that’s required though.
 
A friend of mine asked this question a few years ago. The answer makes sense: Christian love (Charity) is the obligation to hope for all to acquire the very best for them (God). Since satan cannot change his mind, and therefore cannot ever, ever attain Salvation, we are not required to love satan as no hope will save him. In fact, since he will only obtain hell, and justly so, it is permissable to hate him. As he cannot be redeemed, is helbound, as does absolutely everything in his power to maim, kill and condemn everyone we know and love, (our selves, our friends, families, priests, innocent children, etc). H we roams anout like a roaring lion seeking someone to devour. He has been deprived of all goodness by his own choosing from the very instant after his creation. His only motive now is to smash every image of God (us) he can. He is rightly condemned. I have a very special hate just for him. He will never repent, he can’t. He will go to hell blaspheming God and His servents and hating all good. May his punishment never be extinguished.
 
I dont have the compassion for demons as I do for humans. Demons dont have the fallen nature and the struggles to sin like humans. They choose to sin outright through pride, unlike humans who have inherited a sinful nature and suffer the passions to sin even when they dont want to.
 
Actually, since I converted I have made an effort to love Satan, in the sense that I feel bad for the state he has fallen into, and I pray that he may be redeemed and see reason, even if it may be that he never does. I don’t know if that’s required though.
You are obviously a very compassionate person but in this case it’s misguided, and I would say possibly dangerous. Satan cannot be redeemed and he will not change his nature because, as another poster said, he is not like humans. Feeling sorry for him might make him seem less dangerous and lead you to be less wary. Don’t forget he is a liar and the father of lies. It is his nature to deceive. He traps people by appearing to be other than he is.
 
Actually, since I converted I have made an effort to love Satan, in the sense that I feel bad for the state he has fallen into, and I pray that he may be redeemed and see reason, even if it may be that he never does. I don’t know if that’s required though.
Angels had a single opportunity to decide, for all eternity, whom they would serve. The devil and his cohorts began in heaven and knowing of its complete and total goodness, and after enjoying the beatific vision, they rebelled and were cast out of heaven. This was effectively their death after which there can be neither repentance, no redemption. They are irretrievably lost and no prayer can help them. This is a message for us - that even though we may have rejected God, we can repent - turn back - and He will welcome us just as the prodigals we are. From the catechism:

392 Scripture speaks of a sin of these angels.269 This “fall” consists in the free choice of these created spirits, who radically and irrevocably rejected God and his reign. We find a reflection of that rebellion in the tempter’s words to our first parents: "You will be like God."270 The devil “has sinned from the beginning”; he is “a liar and the father of lies”.271

393 It is the irrevocable character of their choice, and not a defect in the infinite divine mercy, that makes the angels’ sin unforgivable. “There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death.”

414 Satan or the devil and the other demons are fallen angels who have freely refused to serve God and his plan. Their choice against God is definitive. They try to associate man in their revolt against God.
 
Satan is well beyond my paygrade. Fortunately.

I don’t think we have to tell a generous heart not to feel sad over Satan’s fate. And it’s probably a pretty serviceable way to tick him off. 🙂

But we all ought to pay more attention to human souls not getting damned, our own and those of everybody else. That’s well within the scope of people we can help with our prayers and our actions.
 
But we all ought to pay more attention to human souls not getting damned, our own and those of everybody else. That’s well within the scope of people we can help with our prayers and our actions.
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You are obviously a very compassionate person but in this case it’s misguided, and I would say possibly dangerous. Satan cannot be redeemed and he will not change his nature because, as another poster said, he is not like humans. Feeling sorry for him might make him seem less dangerous and lead you to be less wary. Don’t forget he is a liar and the father of lies. It is his nature to deceive. He traps people by appearing to be other than he is.
I labour under no impression that either Satan will chance or that he’s a good guy at heart. I recognise that he is, in fact, an evil being who has no redeeming qualities. I simply can appreciate how his fundamental weakness was pride, and how he let that destroy him, and his only chance for happiness. I also feel bad (I realise that this is a poor description of my sentiment, and I apologise, but I can’t think of a more appropriate word) for the fact that he feels he must drag everyone down with him.

I am, however, always on my guard against him, and try not to wish him specific ill, as his life could hardly get any worse in my opinion. I know well that he is a very deceptive demon, and that he is quite insidious in getting people to sin. I guess I just don’t have it in me to really hate anyone.
 
Actually, since I converted I have made an effort to love Satan, in the sense that I feel bad for the state he has fallen into, and I pray that he may be redeemed and see reason, even if it may be that he never does. I don’t know if that’s required though.
Love for Satan is wasted just like prayers for those in Hell.
Satan and everyone in Hell are there for eternity. They cannot be redeemed.
 
. I guess I just don’t have it in me to really hate anyone.
No one said you should hate him. I don’t hate him either (or anyone else for that matter). I guess I just don’t understand feeling bad for him. 🤷
 
Actually, since I converted I have made an effort to love Satan, in the sense that I feel bad for the state he has fallen into, and I pray that he may be redeemed and see reason, even if it may be that he never does. I don’t know if that’s required though.
Ain’t going to happen. All the Angels have made their decision. They knew full well what they were doing (unlike us). They rejected God knowing him face to face.
 
No one said you should hate him. I don’t hate him either (or anyone else for that matter). I guess I just don’t understand feeling bad for him. 🤷
Just because it is an entirely tragic situation in my opinion. To have everything that anyone could possibly desire, and to have the chance to have it for eternity, and then blindly throwing it away for pride. It’s similar to a good kid falling into doing drugs or being in a gang or something. Maybe I’m naive, but it’s how I feel about the whole thing.
 
In Judaism, worshiping God with your whole heart refers to both the good and evil (Satan) inclinations.
 
In Judaism, worshiping God with your whole heart refers to both the good and evil (Satan) inclinations.
But Satan isn’t an aspect of God. He is a created being who revolted against Him, and has neither equality or any form of connectedness with God. It is really quite the opposite, as Satan consciously rejects all connection to God.
 
Angels had a single opportunity to decide, for all eternity, whom they would serve. The devil and his cohorts began in heaven and knowing of its complete and total goodness, and after enjoying the beatific vision, they rebelled and were cast out of heaven. This was effectively their death after which there can be neither repentance, no redemption. They are irretrievably lost and no prayer can help them. This is a message for us - that even though we may have rejected God, we can repent - turn back - and He will welcome us just as the prodigals we are. From the catechism:

392 Scripture speaks of a sin of these angels.269 This “fall” consists in the free choice of these created spirits, who radically and irrevocably rejected God and his reign. We find a reflection of that rebellion in the tempter’s words to our first parents: "You will be like God."270 The devil “has sinned from the beginning”; he is “a liar and the father of lies”.271

393 It is the irrevocable character of their choice, and not a defect in the infinite divine mercy, that makes the angels’ sin unforgivable. “There is no repentance for the angels after their fall, just as there is no repentance for men after death.”

414 Satan or the devil and the other demons are fallen angels who have freely refused to serve God and his plan. Their choice against God is definitive. They try to associate man in their revolt against God.
I have been taught that It is not clear that the fallen angels saw the beautific vision as no one seeing it could ever sin. Somehow the angels were tested before this and some of them did not chose God. 😊
 
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