You CLAIM that both the Holy Spirit and Jesus told you certain things. Let’s look at this more closely. 1 John 4:1 tells us “Dear friends, do not believe everyone who claims to speak by the Spirit. You must test them to see if the spirit they have comes from God. For there are many false prophets in the world.” So, the infallible Word of God commands us to TEST your claim.
If someone: (Hebrews 6: 4) “As for those people who were once brought into the light, and tasted the gift from heaven, and received a share of the Holy Spirit, and appreciated the good message of God and the powers of the world to come and yet in spite of this have fallen away it is impossible for that to be renewed a second time. They cannot be repentant if they have willfully crucified the Son of God and openly mocked Him.” You see it is more than just saying you have received a share of the Holy Spirit.
Saturday evening Mass is okay to fulfill your obligation.
Lazerlike42:
Before this thread is closed or dies out I would like to clarify something about this previous post of mine. This exchange was made in connection with #2181 of the CCC:
**2181 **The Sunday Eucharist is the foundation and confirmation of all Christian practice. For this reason the faithful are obliged to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, unless excused for a serious reason (for example, illness, the care of infants) or dispensed by their own pastor. Those who deliberately fail in this obligation commit a grave sin.
I agree with Lazerlike42 in the conditions necessary for mortal sin, but I think in the above quote terms “grave sin” and “mortal sin” are being used synonymously. Check 1851 -1861 and 1874 of the CCC here:
scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c1a8.htm#1854
Revs. Trigilio and Brighenti in Catholicism for Dummies pg. 180 are more direct; “Missing Mass on one of these days (Sundays and holy days of obligation) is a mortal sin.”
If there was any confusion I hope this clears it up, I wouldn’t want to mislead anyone especially in so important a matter.
Can. 1248 §1 The obligation of assisting at Mass is satisfied wherever Mass is celebrated in a catholic rite either on a holyday itself or on the evening of the previous day.
banjo:
I agree with Lazerlike42 in the conditions necessary for mortal sin, but I think in the above quote terms “grave sin” and “mortal sin” are being used synonymously. Check 1851 -1861 and 1874 of the CCC here:
scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c1a8.htm#1854
I disagree, because it does not take the will into account.
banjo:
Lazer,
I sent you a PM on this…see my post 121 regrading Revs. Trigilio and Brighenti
Saturday night mass is fine - the reason it was begun in the first place was to help people who might have to work on a Sunday. As for the work, of course it’s necessary some times. I myself have periods where I need to work on Sundays to earn enough to pay the bills. If your only reason for working on Sundays is to afford that fourth or fifth car or luxury cruise then you might want to rethink though
Lazerlike42:
I understand your point, but I disagree with Trigilio. No act in and of itself is a mortal sin. It always requires the will and knowledge, too. Even though we understand what he means, I also think he ought not to write it that way, because the way he puts it could easily be taken to teach the Protestant misunderstanding of our doctrine of mortal sin, which says that “really bad sins are mortal.”
Grave matter refers to the first part of the “forumla” of mortal sin. The matter, the actual “what”, of the act, is either grave or not. Murder is an act of grave matter. Eating a cookie from your friend’s cokkie jar is not grave matter.
banjo:
Is it not correct to say intentionally missing mass is objectively a mortal sin? Whether it is subjectively a mortal sin would depend on factors we cannot know.
Lazerlike42:
? Whether it is subjectively a mortal sin would depend on factors we cannot know.
Yes that is correct.
Seems to me that the use of the expression “grave matter” is “relatively recent”… and that it’s use clutters up and confuses issues that used to be pretty clear and well understood. Don’t see that the use of “grave matter” provides any enhancement.
But it’s technically not the Sabbath. This is in violation of the law. How does the church reconcile this?
Do you have a link to the Baltimore Catechism?
The Sabbath begins at sundown. This goes back to the beginning of Christianity and even into the Jewish religion before Christianity. So technically it IS the Sabbath and there is nothing to reconcile and no violation of the law occurs.