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The Catechism of the Catholic Church states, "Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, ‘eternal fire.’ The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs (CCC 1035).

Can someone elaborate a little more on this?
For instance missing mass and then dying. Surely, this doesn’t warrant damnation?
What if you are in a state of mortal sin, but you are repentant?
I can understand this if you are in mortal sin and not repentant.
 
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cocot:
The Catechism of the Catholic Church states, "Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, ‘eternal fire.’ The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs (CCC 1035).

Can someone elaborate a little more on this?
For instance missing mass and then dying. Surely, this doesn’t warrant damnation?
What if you are in a state of mortal sin, but you are repentant?
I can understand this if you are in mortal sin and not repentant.
The idea is that if you die with mortal sin on your soul that you haven’t confessed to a priest, then yes you will go to hell. Missing mass is a mortal sin. It violates the commandment to keep the Sabbath holy, which is high up on the list of the ten commandments for a reason you know! Therefore logically …

Of course lots of people don’t die with a priest handy to give them confession … if this is the case and you have sincerely repented before death then of course God takes into account that you had no opportunity to confess. The problem occurs with sudden death (which is why St Joseph is often invoked against ‘sudden and unprovided death’). There’s no way of knowing if you will have time or capacity to repent at the last minute.

Moral of the story? Confess sins early, confess often…
 
Mortal sins are a big deal. They are a conscious rebellion against God. For example, if you decide watching a football game is more important than worshiping Jesus and receiving Him in the most Blessed Sacrament on the day sanctified by Him, then you are consciously rebelling against Him.

You have put something ahead of God–a major no-no according to the First Commandment.
 
God will judge accordingly, I think God will measure your heart, and He’s not a beurocrat who will condemn someone to eternal damnation because maybe they masturbated in the morning, then got into a car accident and died instantly without confessing the offense.

Confession is to release us from mortal sin we are consciously knowledgeable about. It helps me immensely. But God will measure a mans heart, if he’s repentant, and it’s ultimately up to God’s divine mercy in the case of a sudden death.
 
Theoretically, 1 mortal sin is enough to warrant hell. Surely such a conscious rebelling against God, placing some created thing in his place (which is what all mortal sins amount to…put something like pride, lust, wrath, greed etc…in place of God…which is why Idolatry is the biggest symbol representing all sin in the Old Testament) is enough to warrant hell.

However, the question is, will God let one die if they are generally a good person, want to repent, and just commit 1 mortal sin? Most likely, God lets a mortal sinner die only after repeated rejection of chances of repentance, at such a time when they are so hardened that no more situations he could place them in would lead to their repentence. This could be after 1 mortal sin…it could be after many…only God has the wisdom to determine the most just and merciful time of death.
 
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cocot:
The Catechism of the Catholic Church states, "Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, ‘eternal fire.’ The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs (CCC 1035).

Can someone elaborate a little more on this?
For instance missing mass and then dying. Surely, this doesn’t warrant damnation?
What if you are in a state of mortal sin, but you are repentant?
I can understand this if you are in mortal sin and not repentant.
If a person dies in a state of unrepentent mortal sin they risk being judged into Eternal Damnation.
 
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batteddy:
… Most likely, God lets a mortal sinner die only after repeated rejection of chances of repentance, at such a time when they are so hardened that no more situations he could place them in would lead to their repentence. This could be after 1 mortal sin…it could be after many…only God has the wisdom to determine the most just and merciful time of death.
What you say sounds reasonable to me. I never thought of it like that. Then again I am not sure that God is responsible for the time of death or if it has something to do with free will or a combination of both.
Is it not possible that some people might have more chances at repentance than others? Maybe some people just don’t recognize the opportunity.
 
As I understand it a mortal sin consists of a “willful and persistent/sustained turning away from God.” My own belief is that it consists of an intentional and overtly evil act. The church has traditionally defined what that consists of over the years, but the definitions have generally been to the overall benefit of the church (in my opinion).

My thinking on it is to follow your heart and your conscience, to love God above all else, and love others as He loves us, help others without regard for reward or recompense. Live the prayer of St. Francis or St. Ignatius, or whatever Saint suits you and fits your personality. Let God take care of the rest.

But that’s just me and I have been told I will roast for it! LOL!
 
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batteddy:
Theoretically, 1 mortal sin is enough to warrant hell.
It seems to me that this is a bit unfair in a way. Let me give you two examples. In the first case, we have a man who has done unspeakably horrible and evil things throughout his whole life. I won;t go into details here, but it suffices to say that his entire life was one of continued horrific and evil crimes, destruction and brutality against innocents.Finally, he has been caught and jailed and is awaiting execution. He is unrepentant, cursing everyone and everything up until one hour before his execution he suddenly converts and becomes born again and sees a priest and is able to make a confession being sorry for his sins which he knows would put him in hell and eternal damnation. He is afraid of his judgment and is sorry mainly because he knows that he deserves hell, but he does make a confession just before his execution. So according to Catholicism, he is forgiven and will eventually go to heaven to be with the angels and the saints.
Case 2 is the case of a good man, who sacrifices his entire life for his family and nine children. he holds down three jobs and works hard to give his children and wife the best in life. He is loyal and faithful to his wife and he prays the rosary every day with his family. He has given much of his time to charity and the Church and one or two of his children become religious in the Church. However, one Sunday, he decides not to go to Mass as he wants to watch a sports event on TV. He knows full well that this would be a mortal sin, but he has a lapse for this brief time and decides for this once to skip a Mass on Sunday, knowing that it would be a mortal sin. After the sports event, he goes to the local grocery to buy something for his wife, but unfortunately, as he is crossing the corner intersection, he is killed instantly on being hit by a drunk driver. He then goes to hell, since he has died of one unrepentant mortal sin. This rule of Roman Catholicism seems unfair as the first criminal gets into heaven.
 
To commit any sin is very wounding to our beloved Lord…venial sin is like a whip lash, mortal sin a knife to the heart…it is our bitter contempt of God …I WILL go my way, not yours Lord…

that sin of pride my will not yours condemned Lucifer and those angels who stood by him to damnation. Angels who are so much more than humans
 
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Kirane:
It seems to me that this is a bit unfair in a way. Let me give you two examples. In the first case, we have a man who has done unspeakably horrible and evil things throughout his whole life. I won;t go into details here, but it suffices to say that his entire life was one of continued horrific and evil crimes, destruction and brutality against innocents.Finally, he has been caught and jailed and is awaiting execution. He is unrepentant, cursing everyone and everything up until one hour before his execution he suddenly converts and becomes born again and sees a priest and is able to make a confession being sorry for his sins which he knows would put him in hell and eternal damnation. He is afraid of his judgment and is sorry mainly because he knows that he deserves hell, but he does make a confession just before his execution. So according to Catholicism, he is forgiven and will eventually go to heaven to be with the angels and the saints.
Case 2 is the case of a good man, who sacrifices his entire life for his family and nine children. he holds down three jobs and works hard to give his children and wife the best in life. He is loyal and faithful to his wife and he prays the rosary every day with his family. He has given much of his time to charity and the Church and one or two of his children become religious in the Church. However, one Sunday, he decides not to go to Mass as he wants to watch a sports event on TV. He knows full well that this would be a mortal sin, but he has a lapse for this brief time and decides for this once to skip a Mass on Sunday, knowing that it would be a mortal sin. After the sports event, he goes to the local grocery to buy something for his wife, but unfortunately, as he is crossing the corner intersection, he is killed instantly on being hit by a drunk driver. He then goes to hell, since he has died of one unrepentant mortal sin. This rule of Roman Catholicism seems unfair as the first criminal gets into heaven.
very simply mortal sin is mortal sin is mortal sin - God knows how genuinely sorry the criminal is and whether he is truly deserving of forgiveness (and perhaps whether a lengthy stay in purgatory would be suitable if he hasn’t worked off the consequences of his sin fully).

Likewise with the man who watches tv - missing mass without good cause IS serious. God commanded us to give up a very little of our time on one day each week to give him thanks because it pleases him, in return he gives us redemption, eternal life, the life of his only-begotten son, the Real Presence of Jesus there in the church waiting for us.

It is not too much for God to ask that for a short time each week (barring serious reason) we put everything else (everything else that HE has given us) aside to acknowledge him.GOD thought it was important enough to make it a commandment and a serious matter, both for Jews and Christians. Our other prayers and good works, valuable though they are, are far inferior to giving of our time to be in God’s presence in church. Remember Jesus praising Mary Magdalene when she sat at his feet to listen to him while Martha instead ran around doing her ‘many things’? Church is where Jesus is most fully and truly present, and therefore where we can listen to him as Mary did.

However, those are general points - the fact is it is not the mere failure to attend mass that is important. This is why there is knowledge and intent and other mental factors (extreme tiredness, as in your second example, perhaps being one of them) that mitigate in any matter of mortal sin. And who knows, perhaps, as on earth, punishments in the afterlife might be of greater or less severity depending on the gravity of the offence.
 
The reason that people have a problem with mortal sin is because they look at things from the standpoint of God punishing the sinner. That’s not really the best way to look at it, and its not entirely theologically correct either.

To make it really simple, let me explain it this way. God is infinite. Men are not. Men are not compatible with God. For a man to live in the realm of God would be like for a man to live in the ocean - we just aren’t born with what we need to do that. Now man has devised a piece of equipment to let him survive under water - scuba gear. God has also devised a sort of “equipment” to allow man to survive in Heaven - sanctifying grace. When a person is baptized, he is given the sanctifying grace, which is a bit like “God’s scuba gear.” Much like the Protestant understanding of things, God gives us this “scuba gear” totally free based on faith. Through Jesus Christ, our sins are forgiven, so He does not take away the gear everytimg we sin. That’s a good thing, because as we go through life we commit little sins all the time.

But the thing is, this divine scuba gear really is pretty bulky, and it takes up all the room there is on the soul. Just like a scuba diver can’t fit a football uniform on over his gear, we can’t fit anything else on over God’s sanctifying grace - His eternal scuba gear. But sometimes in life, some, or most, people see something they want to put on their souls. Maybe it is the overcoat of fornication, or the three piece suit of murder, or even the casual dress of missing Mass on Sunday. When we want to put these things on our soul, we have to take that scuba gear off, first.

That may sound a bit silly, and it sortof is the way I put it. BUt it makes the point. Mortal sins don’t send us to Hell so much because God is punishing us. They send us because commiting them results in us rejecting the sanctifying grace that lets us exist in Heaven. We can’t do them without rejecting that grace. People don’t understand mortal sin because they see it as God rejecting us for one act, whereas what it really is is us rejecting God. As everyone knows, it only takes rejecting God once to reject Him. This is where Catholic theology is soooo much closer to mainline Protestantism without Protestants really realizing it. They say that God gives us justification completely free, regardless of if we sin or not, by the merits of Jesus Christ. The thing is, Catholics say that too, we just recognize that we can still reject God. You can do this by literally saying it, or by doing something that conveys the same meaning. Does a husband have to actually tell his wife he is mad at her, or would, say, punching her do the same thing? Obviously our actions can convey messages. The mortal sin isn’t just in the sin - its in that the sinner is rejecting of God and His offer of salvation. It’s the act of saying, “I want this more than I want God.”

That’s another good way to look at it. Part of the problem is the term salvation. It’s a correct term, but it tends to make us look at things the wrong way by our own faults, not the fault of the word. Even St. Paul used the word, after all. But remember that Jesus didn’t really talk about salvation. He talked about inheriting eternal life, or inheriting the kingdom of God, or attaining eternal life. St. Paul did, too. This is a much better way to talk about things. Salvation carries the notion of a person being rescued from something, in this case sin and hell. This is truely what Christ does, but its more than that. God created us as free creatures. He deeply wants us to come and live with Him, but He won’t force us. He offers us heaven, and we then have to make the choice. That’s what life is all about - making that choice. As we start our Christian life, we are on the ‘yes’ side. This may be a little off color, but its the best thing I can come up with now. When two people are starting to engage in the marital act, the woman may at any time decide she doesn’t want to do it and she may ask to stop, even though she already made the really big choice in the first place. Now some men won’t listen to this, and it becomes rape. God doesn’t do this. If we decide we don’t want to be with Him, even after we’ve made the choice to at first, He stops. He doesn’t force us. He respects us. If we decide, after accepting His invitation, that we’d rather go live somewhere else, He will accept that. That is mortal sin. It is turning down God’s invitation after we have accepted it. The thing is, as we walk away from His house, God is always begging us to come back. “Please,” He says, “come in - I will really make you feel at home!” But He never forces us. If we reaccept His invitation, this is confession. It is all about our choices, not God simply punishing us.
 
Lazerlike I would just like to thank you for that elegantly written post - a really enlightening way to look at sin and our relationship to God.
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deekod1967:
Lazerlike I would just like to thank you for that elegantly written post - a really enlightening way to look at sin and our relationship to God.
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I second that.

Amazing post.

Loved every word of it.

God Bless you Lazerlike

In Christ.

Andre.
 
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cocot:
The Catechism of the Catholic Church states, "Immediately after death the souls of those who die in a state of mortal sin descend into hell, where they suffer the punishments of hell, ‘eternal fire.’ The chief punishment of hell is eternal separation from God, in whom alone man can possess the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs (CCC 1035).

Can someone elaborate a little more on this?
For instance missing mass and then dying. Surely, this doesn’t warrant damnation?
What if you are in a state of mortal sin, but you are repentant?
I can understand this if you are in mortal sin and not repentant.
Simply, missing mass is grave matter, constituting one of the three requirements for mortal sin. If mass was missed deliberately and with full knowledge of the gravity of the sin, missing mass will be mortal, and damnable. If a person is repentant (entailing sacramental confession), then they are no longer in a state of mortal sin.
 
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LilyM:
The idea is that if you die with mortal sin on your soul that you haven’t confessed to a priest, then yes you will go to hell. Missing mass is a mortal sin. It violates the commandment to keep the Sabbath holy, which is high up on the list of the ten commandments for a reason you know! Therefore logically …

Of course lots of people don’t die with a priest handy to give them confession … if this is the case and you have sincerely repented before death then of course God takes into account that you had no opportunity to confess. The problem occurs with sudden death (which is why St Joseph is often invoked against ‘sudden and unprovided death’). There’s no way of knowing if you will have time or capacity to repent at the last minute.

Moral of the story? Confess sins early, confess often…
Missing Mass isn’t necessarily a mortal sin. A mortal sin must have 3 conditions met to be mortal. No one but God can know if a person has a mortal sin on their soul, and no one, not even the Church can say someone is in hell. Someone may have a deathbed repentence. For a sin to be mortal it must meet these three conditions:

  1. *]its subject must be ‘grave matter’;
    *]it must be committed with full knowledge, both of the sin and of the gravity of the offense;
    *]it must be committed with deliberate and complete consent.
 
Semper Fi:
Missing Mass isn’t necessarily a mortal sin. A mortal sin must have 3 conditions met to be mortal. No one but God can know if a person has a mortal sin on their soul, and no one, not even the Church can say someone is in hell. Someone may have a deathbed repentence. For a sin to be mortal it must meet these three conditions:

  1. *]its subject must be ‘grave matter’;
    *]it must be committed with full knowledge, both of the sin and of the gravity of the offense;
    *]it must be committed with deliberate and complete consent.

  1. The last Catholic funeral I went to, the priest said, “Where do the dead go? Well, if they die with a Mortal sin on their soul they go to Hell. So, if you missed mass on Sunday and died before you could go to confession, you would go to hell.” (quoted as I remember it, it was many years ago).
    He didn’t go further or clarify further…just point blank.
 
If someone knows God he or she will not sin, and if they did there is no redemption. (Acts 5:1-11) Ananias and Sapphira was a very explicit example of that fact. When someone knows God they have the Holy Spirit in him or her. If they sin they are denying the Holy Spirit, and there is no forgiveness for blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Yes there are sins that don’t lead to death, they are human faults that are not serious offenses and are not deliberate or thought out. John says that all sins don’t lead to death. Everyone needs to understand that when a person is lead by the Holy Spirit they will not deliberately commit a sin, and if he or she is being led by the Holy Spirit, and deliberately commits a sin, there is no redemption for that person.

(2 Peter 2:20-22)”and anyone who has escaped the pollution of the world once by coming to know the Lord and savior Jesus Christ, and who then allows himself to be entangled by it a second time and mastered, will end up in a worse state than he began in.”

(Hebrews 6: 4) “As for those people who were once brought into the light, and tasted the gift from heaven, and received a share of the Holy Spirit, and appreciated the good message of God and the powers of the world to come and yet in spite of this have fallen away it is impossible for that to be renewed a second time. They cannot be repentant if they have willfully crucified the Son of God and openly mocked Him.”

(Romans 6: 10 - 11) “When He died, He died, once for all, to sin, so His life now is life with God; and in that way, you too must consider yourselves to be dead to sin but alive for God in Jesus Christ.”

(Romans 8: 4) “He did this in order that the law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the Spirit dictates.”

(1 John 3: 3 - 9) “Surely everyone who entertains this hope must purify himself, must try to be as pure as Christ. Any one who sins at all breaks the law, because to sin is to break the law. Now you know that He appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in Him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen Him or known Him. My children do not let anyone lead you astray; to live a holy life is to be holy just as He is holy; to lead a sinful life is to belong to the Devil, since the Devil was a sinner from the beginning. It was to undo all that the Devil has done that the Son of God appeared. No one who has been begotten by God sins: because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God.”

(Hebrews 6: 4) “As for those people who were once brought into the light, and tasted the gift from heaven, and received a share of the Holy Spirit, and appreciated the good message of God and the powers of the world to come and yet in spite of this have fallen away it is impossible for that to be renewed a second time. They cannot be repentant if they have willfully crucified the Son of God and openly mocked Him.”

(Hebrews 10:26-31) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There will be left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the raging fire that is to burn rebels. Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment. We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will repay. And again: The Lord will judge his people. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”

Galatians 5:16
“Let me put it like this if you are guided by the Spirit you will be in no danger of yielding to self-indulgence…”.
 
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malachi_a_serva:
The last Catholic funeral I went to, the priest said, “Where do the dead go? Well, if they die with a Mortal sin on their soul they go to Hell. So, if you missed mass on Sunday and died before you could go to confession, you would go to hell.” (quoted as I remember it, it was many years ago).
He didn’t go further or clarify further…just point blank.
With all due respect to the good Father… He was wrong. The Catechism of the Catholic Church states that we cannot know if a person is in Hell, for we must rely on the Grace of Almighty God. A person can certainly have a perfect act of contrition. He is right though, if you have unrepented mortal sin on your soul, you will go to Hell. The key is repentence. We can’t know who has repented or not.
 
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