10 Commandments, graven images

[JoeyWarren]

Nop, i don’t not in the burning inferno the catholic church has adoptet from babylonian heathenism.

Then what is this place where there are gnashing of teeth?

Mat 8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Here are verses that have “CAST” and “HELL”

Eze 31:16 I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I **cast him down to hell **with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.

Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Mat 18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

Mar 9:45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

Mar 9:47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

Luk 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to** cast into hell**; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death

 

[JoeyWarren]

heir spirit? where do you get the idea that the spirit goes to heaven or hell?

Here a couple of verses that show this:

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

2Co 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Those that have died in God’s good graces are abscent from the Body and are present in heaven with Jesus.

 

[JoeyWarren]

The sabbath has been kept by the true christians through the whole 2000 years after Christ was crucified. no exceptions.

Some religious organizations (Seventh-Day Adventists, Seventh-Day Baptists, and certain others) claim that Christians must not worship on Sunday but on Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath. They claim that, at some unnamed time after the apostolic age, the Church “changed” the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.

However, passages of Scripture such as Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2, Colossians 2:16-17, and Revelation 1:10 indicate that, even during New Testament times, the Sabbath is no longer binding and that Christians are to worship on the Lord’s day, Sunday, instead.

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
** And on the first day of the week, when we had come together for the holy meal, Paul gave them a talk, for it was his purpose to go away on the day after; and he went on talking till after the middle of the night.**

1 Cor 16:2Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.\

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat or in drink, or in respect of a festival day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths, 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day, and a great voice at my back, as of a horn, came to my ears,

The early Church Fathers compared the observance of the Sabbath to the observance of the rite of circumcision, and from that they demonstrated that if the apostles abolished circumcision (Gal. 5:1-6), so also the observance of the Sabbath must have been abolished. The following quotations show that the first Christians understood this principle and gathered for worship on

 

[JoeyWarren]

You’ve been duped. Read this:

sabbathtruth.com/history/…h_history1.asp

Most of the stuff documented is by post reformation writers.

Now take a look at what the leaders of the early church had to say:

The Didache

“But every Lord’s day . . . gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one that is at variance with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned” (Didache 14 [A.D. 70]).

The Letter of Barnabas

“We keep the eighth day [Sunday] with joyfulness, the day also on which Jesus rose again from the dead” (Letter of Barnabas 15:6–8 [A.D. 74]).

Ignatius of Antioch

“[T]hose who were brought up in the ancient order of things * have come to the possession of a new hope, no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord’s day, on which also our life has sprung up again by him and by his death” (Letter to the Magnesians 8 [A.D. 110]).

Justin Martyr

“[W]e too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts, if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined [on] you—namely, on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your heart. . . . [H]ow is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us—I speak of fleshly circumcision and Sabbaths and feasts? . . . God enjoined you to keep the Sabbath, and imposed on you other precepts for a sign, as I have already said, on account of your unrighteousness and that of your fathers . . .” (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 18, 21 [A.D. 155]).

“But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Savior on the same day rose from the dead” (First Apology 67 [A.D. 155]).

Tertullian

“[L]et him who contends that the Sabbath is still to be observed as a balm of salvation, and circumcision on the eighth day . . . teach us that, for the time past, righteous men kept the Sabbath or practiced circumcision, and were thus rendered ‘friends of God.’ For if circumcision purges a man, since God made Adam uncircumcised, why did he not circumcise him, even after his sinning, if circumcision purges? . . . Therefore, since God originated Adam uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, consequently his offspring also, Abel, offering him sacrifices, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, was by him [God] commended [Gen. 4:1–7, Heb. 11:4]. . . . Noah also, uncircumcised—yes, and unobservant of the Sabbath—God freed from the deluge. For Enoch too, most righteous man, uncircumcised and unobservant of the Sabbath, he translated from this world, who did not first taste death in order that, being a candidate for eternal life, he might show us that we also may, without the burden of the law of Moses, please God” (An Answer to the Jews 2 [A.D. 203]).

The Didascalia

“The apostles further appointed: On the first day of the week let there be service, and the reading of the holy scriptures, and the oblation [sacrifice of the Mass], because on the first day of the week * our Lord rose from the place of the dead, and on the first day of the week he arose upon the world, and on the first day of the week he ascended up to heaven, and on the first day of the week he will appear at last with the angels of heaven” (Didascalia 2 [A.D. 225]).

Origen*

“Hence it is not possible that the [day of] rest after the Sabbath should have come into existence from the seventh [day] of our God. On the contrary, it is our Savior who, after the pattern of his own rest, caused us to be made in the likeness of his death, and hence also of his resurrection” (Commentary on John 2:28 [A.D. 229]).*

 

[JoeyWarren]

Victorinus

“The sixth day [Friday] is called parasceve, that is to say, the preparation of the kingdom. . . . On this day also, on account of the passion of the Lord Jesus Christ, we make either a station to God or a fast. On the seventh day he rested from all his works, and blessed it, and sanctified it. On the former day we are accustomed to fast rigorously, that on the Lord’s day we may go forth to our bread with giving of thanks. And let the parasceve become a rigorous fast, lest we should appear to observe any Sabbath with the Jews . . . which Sabbath he [Christ] in his body abolished” (The Creation of the World [A.D. 300]).

Eusebius of Caesarea

“They [the early saints of the Old Testament] did not care about circumcision of the body, neither do we [Christians]. They did not care about observing Sabbaths, nor do we. They did not avoid certain kinds of food, neither did they regard the other distinctions which Moses first delivered to their posterity to be observed as symbols; nor do Christians of the present day do such things” (Church History 1:4:8 [A.D. 312]).

“[T]he day of his [Christ’s] light . . . was the day of his resurrection from the dead, which they say, as being the one and only truly holy day and the Lord’s day, is better than any number of days as we ordinarily understand them, and better than the days set apart by the Mosaic law for feasts, new moons, and Sabbaths, which the apostle [Paul] teaches are the shadow of days and not days in reality” (Proof of the Gospel 4:16:186 [A.D. 319]).

Athanasius

“The Sabbath was the end of the first creation, the Lord’s day was the beginning of the second, in which he renewed and restored the old in the same way as he prescribed that they should formerly observe the Sabbath as a memorial of the end of the first things, so we honor the Lord’s day as being the memorial of the new creation” (On Sabbath and Circumcision 3 [A.D. 345]).

Cyril of Jerusalem

“Fall not away either into the sect of the Samaritans or into Judaism, for Jesus Christ has henceforth ransomed you. Stand aloof from all observance of Sabbaths and from calling any indifferent meats common or unclean” (Catechetical Lectures 4:37 [A.D. 350]).

Council of Laodicea

“Christians should not Judaize and should not be idle on the Sabbath, but should work on that day; they should, however, particularly reverence the Lord’s day and, if possible, not work on it, because they were Christians” (Canon 29 [A.D. 360]).

 

[JoeyWarren]

John Chrysostom

“[W]hen he [God] said, ‘You shall not kill’ . . . he did not add, ‘because murder is a wicked thing.’ The reason was that conscience had taught this beforehand, and he speaks thus, as to those who know and understand the point. Wherefore when he speaks to us of another commandment, not known to us by the dictate of conscience, he not only prohibits, but adds the reason. When, for instance, he gave commandment concerning the Sabbath— ‘On the seventh day you shall do no work’—he subjoined also the reason for this cessation. What was this? ‘Because on the seventh day God rested from all his works which he had begun to make’ [Ex. 20:10-11]. . . . For what purpose then, I ask, did he add a reason respecting the Sabbath, but did no such thing in regard to murder? Because this commandment was not one of the leading ones. It was not one of those which were accurately defined of our conscience, but a kind of partial and temporary one, and for this reason it was abolished afterward. But those which are necessary and uphold our life are the following: ‘You shall not kill. . . . You shall not commit adultery. . . . You shall not steal.’ On this account he adds no reason in this case, nor enters into any instruction on the matter, but is content with the bare prohibition” (Homilies on the Statutes 12:9 [A.D. 387]).

“You have put on Christ, you have become a member of the Lord and been enrolled in the heavenly city, and you still grovel in the law [of Moses]? How is it possible for you to obtain the kingdom? Listen to Paul’s words, that the observance of the law overthrows the gospel, and learn, if you will, how this comes to pass, and tremble, and shun this pitfall. Why do you keep the Sabbath and fast with the Jews?” (Homilies on Galatians 2:17 [A.D. 395]).

“The rite of circumcision was venerable in the Jews’ account, forasmuch as the law itself gave way thereto, and the Sabbath was less esteemed than circumcision. For that circumcision might be performed, the Sabbath was broken; but that the Sabbath might be kept, circumcision was never broken; and mark, I pray, the dispensation of God. This is found to be even more solemn than the Sabbath, as not being omitted at certain times. When then it is done away, much more is the Sabbath” (Homilies on Philippians 10 [A.D. 402]).

The Apostolic Constitutions

“And on the day of our Lord’s resurrection, which is the Lord’s day, meet more diligently, sending praise to God that made the universe by Jesus, and sent him to us, and condescended to let him suffer, and raised him from the dead. Otherwise what apology will he make to God who does not assemble on that day . . . in which is performed the reading of the prophets, the preaching of the gospel, the oblation of the sacrifice, the gift of the holy food” (Apostolic Constitutions 2:7:60 [A.D. 400]).

Augustine
“Well, now, I should like to be told what there is in these ten commandments, except the observance of the Sabbath, which ought not to be kept by a Christian. . . . Which of these commandments would anyone say that the Christian ought not to keep? It is possible to contend that it is not the law which was written on those two tables that the apostle [Paul] describes as ‘the letter that kills’ [2 Cor. 3:6], but the law of circumcision and the other sacred rites which are now abolished” (The Spirit and the Letter 24 [A.D. 412]).

Pope Gregory I

“It has come to my ears that certain men of perverse spirit have sown among you some things that are wrong and opposed to the holy faith, so as to forbid any work being done on the Sabbath day. What else can I call these [men] but preachers of Antichrist, who when he comes will cause the Sabbath day as well as the Lord’s day to be kept free from all work. For because he [the Antichrist] pretends to die and rise again, he wishes the Lord’s day to be held in reverence; and because he compels the people to Judaize that he may bring back the outward rite of the law, and subject the perfidy of the Jews to himself, he wishes the Sabbath to be observed. For this which is said by the prophet, ‘You shall bring in no burden through your gates on the Sabbath day’ [Jer. 17:24] could be held to as long as it was lawful for the law to be observed according to the letter. But after that the grace of almighty God, our Lord Jesus Christ, has appeared, the commandments of the law which were spoken figuratively cannot be kept according to the letter. For if anyone says that this about the Sabbath is to be kept, he must needs say that carnal sacrifices are to be offered. He must say too that the commandment about the circumcision of the body is still to be retained. But let him hear the apostle Paul saying in opposition to him: ‘If you be circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing’ [Gal. 5:2]” (Letters 13:1 [A.D. 597]).

 

[TobyLue]

Thanks for all the (name removed by moderator)ut all I can do is pray on it, but this is something I am not comfortable with, and probably never will be. I don’t want to go back and forth saying the same things, thanks.

St. Michael…… This is my :twocents: worth. It is good that you are going to pray on it. Just one word of caution; be careful how you pray. Are you going to pray saying: “God teach me and show me who is correct? Should I or should I not bow down to images?”
I honestly believe you are trying your best to be a faithful Catholic but are going through a struggle at the moment. How, this came about I don’t know. I can only speculate that maybe some person planted seeds of doubt in your mind. That is how it has happened in many cases because, sad to say many, many Catholics are not well catechized. It almost happened to me regarding Our Blessed Mother, but thank God I stood firm. What your prayer should be is to ask God to help you “better understand the teachings of His Holy Church.” He founded it for a reason and that was to lead all people to Him. He said He would be with Her till the end of time and the gates of hell would not prevail. That means that the Church will NOT teach error. So, you have a problem with statues and its understandable. Many people do and many here that converted from Protestantism I’m sure had the same problems regarding statues. As has been stated many times before, Catholics do not worship statues. They are tools we use to bring us closer to God.
BTW St. Michael is my son’s favorite. When he was a child I bought him a St. Michael outfit and he would take it to class and wear it during All Saints Day. I have always like St. Michael too and here are a few prayers I recite daily for his intersession: St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and the snares of the devil. May God rebuke him we humbly pray, and do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host, by the Power of God, cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits, who prowl around the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.
And
** Saint Michael, For Protection of the Church**
O glorious St. Michael, guardian and defender of the Church of Jesus Christ, come to the assistance of this Church, against which the powers of hell are unchained, guard with especial care her august Head, and obtain that for him and for us the hour of triumph may speedily arrive. O glorious Archangel St. Michael, watch over us during life, defend us against the assaults of the demon, assist us especially at the hour of death; obtain for us a favorable judgment, and the happiness of beholding God face to face for endless ages. Amen.
And
** Saint Michael, for Personal Protection**
Saint Michael, the Archangel! Glorious Prince, chief and champion of the heavenly hosts; guardian of the souls of men; conqueror of the rebel angels! How beautiful art thou, in thy heaven-made armor. We love thee, dear Prince of Heaven!
We, thy happy clients, yearn to enjoy thy special protection. Obtain for us from God a share of thy sturdy courage; pray that we may have a strong and tender love for our Redeemer and, in every danger or temptation, be invincible against the enemy of our souls. O standard-bearer of our salvation! Be with us in our last moments and when our souls quit this earthly exile, carry them safely to the judgment seat of Christ, and may Our Lord and Master bid thee bear us speedily to the kingdom of eternal bliss. Teach us ever to repeat the sublime cry: “Who is like unto God?” Amen.

I hope this helps and God Bless you. You are in my prayers……

 

[WhatMeWorry]

cin.org/users/james/files/numberng.htm

I’m surprised no one has posted this link yet. This is one of the best explanations I’ve ever read concerning the Ten Commandments (great job, Jimmy Akin!).

 

[mikeledes]

There are plenty of examples in the Bible where God orders the creation of carved images (the ark of the cobvenant, the cherubim in the Temple, the bronze serpent). The commandment is not an absolute prohibition against the use of images. Besides, Catholics do not worship images of Mary and the saints. We don’t even worship Mary and the Saints, let alone their images.

God Bless

 

[cet]

I have always like St. Michael too and here are a few prayers I recite daily for his intersession: St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle. Be our protection against the wickedness and the snares of the devil. May God rebuke him we humbly pray, and do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host, by the Power of God, cast into hell Satan and all the evil spirits, who prowl around the world seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.
And
** Saint Michael, For Protection of the Church**
O glorious St. Michael, guardian and defender of the Church of Jesus Christ, come to the assistance of this Church, against which the powers of hell are unchained, guard with especial care her august Head, and obtain that for him and for us the hour of triumph may speedily arrive. O glorious Archangel St. Michael, watch over us during life, defend us against the assaults of the demon, assist us especially at the hour of death; obtain for us a favorable judgment, and the happiness of beholding God face to face for endless ages. Amen.
And
** Saint Michael, for Personal Protection**
Saint Michael, the Archangel! Glorious Prince, chief and champion of the heavenly hosts; guardian of the souls of men; conqueror of the rebel angels! How beautiful art thou, in thy heaven-made armor. We love thee, dear Prince of Heaven!
We, thy happy clients, yearn to enjoy thy special protection. Obtain for us from God a share of thy sturdy courage; pray that we may have a strong and tender love for our Redeemer and, in every danger or temptation, be invincible against the enemy of our souls. O standard-bearer of our salvation! Be with us in our last moments and when our souls quit this earthly exile, carry them safely to the judgment seat of Christ, and may Our Lord and Master bid thee bear us speedily to the kingdom of eternal bliss. Teach us ever to repeat the sublime cry: “Who is like unto God?” Amen.

Who is St.Michael?

Kind Regards
Carl Erik Tengesdal

 

[cet]

There are plenty of examples in the Bible where God orders the creation of carved images (the ark of the cobvenant, the cherubim in the Temple, the bronze serpent). The commandment is not an absolute prohibition against the use of images. Besides, Catholics do not worship images of Mary and the saints. We don’t even worship Mary and the Saints, let alone their images.

God Bless

But, where does he authorize that it is allright to pray to saint who have died, and allegadly gone to heaven? I thought Jesus taught us to pray to our Father, in His name? Are we not to follow His example I mean, he never prayed to others who most likely are destined to heaven to intercess for him… And, why do you think that it has more effect to have a saint bear your prayers to the Father, than if Jesus Himself did it? It is, after all, Christ who died for our sins, not the saints.?

Kind Regards
Carl Erik Tengesdal

 

[I_Leatherman]

But, where does he authorize that it is allright to pray to saint who have died, and allegadly gone to heaven? I thought Jesus taught us to pray to our Father, in His name? Are we not to follow His example I mean, he never prayed to others who most likely are destined to heaven to intercess for him… And, why do you think that it has more effect to have a saint bear your prayers to the Father, than if Jesus Himself did it? It is, after all, Christ who died for our sins, not the saints.?

Kind Regards
Carl Erik Tengesdal

Perhaps…’…where two or three of you are gathered in My Name…" , can we not also gather together with us all the Saints in Heaven to ask in His Name…

 

[cet]

Perhaps…’…where two or three of you are gathered in My Name…" , can we not also gather together with us all the Saints in Heaven to ask in His Name…

But what if you are wrong in believing that the saints are allready there? One thing is to ask brethren here on this earth, who are alive, to join in prayer. But to ask someone, that has died, and may very well not be there in heaven to pray with you… Then what? There is a reason why the bible says “the dead know not any thing”? Is it just for fun?

And… not particularly in response to you leatherman, but all those who believe in a flaming inferno that will last forever. Why would God punish a crime, no matter what crime, against him, with eternal pain and suffering? How can a God who loves every single human being so much that He sent His only Son to die for our sake, find pleasure in tormenting the very souls that he loves so dearly for all eternety? He IS life, and he will have to recreate the burning people for all time to make them burn forever… How can you explain this without admitting that this would make God a very bloodthirsty and vicious personality? A just punishment would be to eradicate sin, as He said He would do, this would also mean destroying the people that do not want to let go of sinning, and rejects Christ offering… This would cause sin to dissapear forever. And the people who were saved would never attempt to sin ever again, because they have seen the consequenses of sin…

Kind Regards
Carl Erik Tengesdal

 

[cet]

Sure: Here’s another one:
As the twenty-fifth of December is observed to commemorate the birth of Christ, as the children have been instructed by precept and example that this was indeed a day of gladness and rejoicing, you will find it a difficult matter to pass over this period without giving it some attention. It can be made to serve a very good purpose. Review and Herald, January 29, 1884.

Just for the record, i don’t celebrate the 25. of december as christmas, because it derives from an pagan feast to commemorate the birth of tammuz, that does not mean that i don’t do good things for people, and this is what Ellen is speaking of here, to gather money and food for the poor… And she does recommend to do something with the children, so they won’t feel like they are loosing anything.

Kind Regards
Carl Erik Tengesdal

 

[I_Leatherman]

You believe Heaven is empty?

 

[Mommyof02green]

**I havent read all the post so I dont know if anyone has thought of this.

most fundamintalist who talk about these images or statues in the comandments. Is there something in the comandments that exlude graven images during CHRISTMAS. I dont know of a church that does not have a manger scene during christams because they are scared of offending God! whats the difference with cathoics having staues year round.**

I see you’re point! Many, Non-Catholics will criticize Catholics for having images of Saint around all year round. However, Non-Catholics don’t bat an eye or think twice when they see a nativity scene at Christmas Time.

They don’t bat and eye or think twice when the Lutheran Church has a nativity scene on their church lawn.

They don’t bat and eye or think twice when the Methodist Church has a nativity scene on their church lawn.

They don’t bat and eye or think twice when their Baptist neighbor has a nativity scene in their front yard.

They don’t bat and eye or think twice when they get their nativity scene, down from the attic, dust it off and put it up in their yard.

They don’t bat and eye or think twice, when their pastor ask them to “help” decorate the church and put up the images of Christ, Mary, Joseph, the Shepards, the Wise Men, and the angels.

It just seems to me that come Christmas time everyone is “Catholic” cause everyone has some sort of images around!!!

 

[JoeyWarren]

You believe Heaven is empty?

He believes Heaven is empty with the exception of God, Angels, Enoch, Elijah, and Moses.

 

[JoeyWarren]

I see you’re point! Many, Non-Catholics will criticize Catholics for having images of Saint around all year round. However, Non-Catholics don’t bat an eye or think twice when they see a nativity scene at Christmas Time.

They don’t bat and eye or think twice when the Lutheran Church has a nativity scene on their church lawn.

They don’t bat and eye or think twice when the Methodist Church has a nativity scene on their church lawn.

They don’t bat and eye or think twice when their Baptist neighbor has a nativity scene in their front yard.

They don’t bat and eye or think twice when they get their nativity scene, down from the attic, dust it off and put it up in their yard.

They don’t bat and eye or think twice, when their pastor ask them to “help” decorate the church and put up the images of Christ, Mary, Joseph, the Shepards, the Wise Men, and the angels.

It just seems to me that come Christmas time everyone is “Catholic” cause everyone has some sort of images around!!!

:yup: :clapping: :dancing:

 

[JoeyWarren]

Just for the record, i don’t celebrate the 25. of december as christmas, because it derives from an pagan feast to commemorate the birth of tammuz, that does not mean that i don’t do good things for people, and this is what Ellen is speaking of here, to gather money and food for the poor… And she does recommend to do something with the children, so they won’t feel like they are loosing anything.

Kind Regards
Carl Erik Tengesdal

If you are married, I hope you did not put wedding bands on each others hands during the marriage ceremony? Wedding Ring is a pagan adaptation. The Wedding thing is nearly 90% pagan adaptation.

The Kiss at the end of the Wedding Ceremony is derived from when thos that got married had to copulate in front of the entire assembly in order to validate the marriage.

I can keep going. Do you want to hear more?

 

[JoeyWarren]

What do SDAs do for Valentines Day?

It seems they can’t participate in this event either. Since it is a Catholic