10 Witnesses Go On The Record Stating Atlantic Report On Trump Denigrating Troops Is A Lie

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10 Witnesses Go On The Record Stating Atlantic Report On Trump Denigrating Troops Is A Lie​

By Ryan Saavedra Sep 5, 2020 DailyWire.com

Four more witnesses have gone on the record to say that The Atlantic’s anonymously-sourced report claiming President Donald Trump called dead soldiers “losers” and “suckers” is false, bringing the total to 10.

Mick Mulvaney, former acting White House Chief of Staff, shot down The Atlantic’s report, saying, “As you all can probably imagine, I have seen more than my share of outrageous (and false) attacks on the President over the last few years. But this whole injured soldiers thing really, really pushes the envelope.”

“So, just to be clear: These claims are simply outrageous. I never heard the President disparage our war dead or wounded. In fact, the exact opposite is true. I was with him at the 75th Anniversary of the D-Day invasion in Normandy. As we flew over the beaches by helicopter he was outwardly in awe of the accomplishments of the Allied Forces, and the sacrifices they paid.”
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Versus 2 anonymous sources?
 
We know the article is another attempt on the left to make Trump look bad, to make up Biden’s bumbling this week. We also both know there could be a thousand witnesses to state the article isn’t true but to the left the 2 anonymous sources, which could be the trash can and pen on this guy’s desk will always win out to the Trump haters.
 
I’ve seen that mention before, that many are back President Trump saying he didn’t say such a thing. I’m not surprised. President Trump hasn’t hidden his warm feelings for the military and those that have served in the armed forces.
 
America has never “really” had contested elections, here and there yes, maybe but still, a rather small amount overall… but I’ve seen the news, it sounds like the Democrats are ready to confront every single thing if not battle for it.


And so we have a number of stories, true or not, America should not be so uncivil. I’d say there are pockets lacking civility but not the nation as a whole. Let’s keep it like that at the least.
 
Nice job Victoria33 for posting this.

The FAKE news machine would have been pushing this false narrative too if there was not so much evidence against it.

Even John Bolton’s book backs at least part of what President Trump said on this.
However, an excerpt from Bolton’s book “The Room Where It Happened” tells a different story.

“On Saturday, I went to the US Ambassador’s residence, where Trump was staying, to brief him before his bilateral with [French President Emmanuel] Macron. The weather was bad, and [then White House Chief of Staff John] Kelly and I spoke about whether to travel as planned to the Château-Theirry Belleau Wood monuments and nearby American Cemeteries where many US World War I dead were buried,” Bolton wrote. “Marine One’s crew was saying that bad visibility could make it imprudent to chopper to the cemetery. The ceiling was not too low for Marines to fly in combat, but flying POTUS was obviously something very different.”

Bolton later wrote, “It was a straightforward decision to cancel the visit but very hard for a Marine like Kelly to recommend, having originally been the one to suggest Belleau Wood (an iconic battle in Marine Corps history). Trump agreed, and it was decided that others would drive to the cemetery instead.”

The Atlantic did not immediately respond to Fox News’ request for comment.

President Trump offered strong denials both to reporters and on Twitter, calling the report “made up Fake News given by disgusting & jealous failures in a disgraceful attempt to influence the 2020 Election.”

There has been a growing call from members of the mainstream media for the anonymous sources who were cited in The Atlantic’s report to go on the record.
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Leave it to CNN’s Bash, to bash the President with this gaslighting.
Host Dana Bash countered Wilkie’s skepticism by pointing to reports that “have corroborated parts of that story,” and that “nobody is backing down from the sourcing on that.”

Wilkie dismissed the idea that no one was backing down from anonymous sources that are said to include generals.

“I was born in khaki diapers. I spent my entire life around the military. And I’ve never known any general officers to hide behind stars.”
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Cathoholic said:
Even John Bolton’s book backs at least part of what President Trump said on this.
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You obviously didn’t read his book. Being almost six hundred pages I can see why many would rather just believe the sources that align to their own thinking. “Fake New”…more of a sign of polarization and the ramifications of identity politics. We should strive to be objective and develop our skills of discernment.

In regards to John Bolton:

Mr. Bolton makes many comments regarding the President’s lack of professionalism, his inability to understand the issues and his impulsiveness to make decisions randomly even after a prior decision had been agreed with his staff.

He shares the strenuous relationship that many had with Trump - including John Kelly.

On the subject of Security Clearances. Kelly had shared with Bolton that he had an argument with Trump over his desire to remove security clearance for John Brennon. Purely a political move to quiet Brennon over his disagreement with Trump’s urgency to remove people he did not like from having Security Clearances. Kelly had told Trump that it was not Presidential; to carry a vendetta and restrict clearance to those who are “loyal” to him (over the Constitution).

Also mentioned was when Kelly had shown Bolton a picture of his son killed in Afghanistan in 2010. Trump had told Kelly; “you suffered the worse”. Trump had been disparaging the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq at the time. Trump had seemly implied that Kelly’s son had died needlessly. Kelly stated; Trump does not care what happens to these guys. He went on to state that - it would be cool to invade Venezuela.

Bolton stated that he said very little during the conversation; which was mostly Kelly venting his frustrations. But, he included that there was little he disagreed with Kelly.

Bolton goes on the talk about Trump’s character as it related to controversies over attendance at funerals. Specifically, Barbara Bush and John McCain; these are well documented to show Trump as being less than congenial.
 
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You mean Trump never made disparaging remarks against McCain?
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I don’t think that’s what we were talking about.
The OP article, if you will.
BTW, I strongly disagree with what Trump said about McCain. I also strongly disagree with Democrats claiming he was racist when he ran against Obama.
 
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Thank you for you opinion of Trump. However, the Bolton connection to the validity of the Atlantic article is a particular portion of the book where Bolton talks about that trip and what he wrote does NOT support what the Atlantic article states.

No one is saying anything about the rest of the book.
 
Great commentary from Glenn Greenwald.


Excellent quote from the article.
It’s possible because news outlets have completely distorted the term “confirmation” beyond all recognition. Indeed, they now use it to mean the exact opposite of what it actually means, thereby draping themselves in journalistic glory they have not earned and, worse, deceiving the public into believing that an unproven assertion has, in fact, been proven. With this disinformation method, they are doing the exact opposite of what journalism, at its core, is supposed to do: separate fact from speculation.
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You obviously didn’t read his book. Being almost six hundred pages I can see why many would rather just believe the sources that align to their own thinking. “ Fake New ”…more of a sign of polarization and the ramifications of identity politics. We should strive to be objective and develop our skills of discernment.

In regards to John Bolton:

Mr. Bolton makes many comments regarding the President’s lack of professionalism, his inability to understand the issues and his impulsiveness to make decisions randomly even after a prior decision had been agreed with his staff.

He shares the strenuous relationship that many had with Trump - including John Kelly.

On the subject of Security Clearances. Kelly had shared with Bolton that he had an argument with Trump over his desire to remove security clearance for John Brennon. Purely a political move to quiet Brennon over his disagreement with Trump’s urgency to remove people he did not like from having Security Clearances. Kelly had told Trump that it was not Presidential; to carry a vendetta and restrict clearance to those who are “ loyal ” to him (over the Constitution).

Also mentioned was when Kelly had shown Bolton a picture of his son killed in Afghanistan in 2010. Trump had told Kelly; “ you suffered the worse ”. Trump had been disparaging the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq at the time. Trump had seemly implied that Kelly’s son had died needlessly. Kelly stated; Trump does not care what happens to these guys . He went on to state that - it would be cool to invade Venezuela .

Bolton stated that he said very little during the conversation; which was mostly Kelly venting his frustrations. But, he included that there was little he disagreed with Kelly.

Bolton goes on the talk about Trump’s character as it related to controversies over attendance at funerals. Specifically, Barbara Bush and John McCain; these are well documented to show Trump as being less than congenial.
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Fine, but none of that changes that per Bolton’s experience, the alleged episode in France did not happen. I think we know that Bolton is critical of Trump, no big deal. Bolton also wrote an editorial that we should bomb Iran.
 
Leo2014 to Cathoholic (that’d be me) . . .
You obviously didn’t read his book.
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Yes but so what?

I posted the salient quote.
I can see why many would rather just believe the sources that align to their own thinking.
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Do you think the situation is otherwise?

It sounds like you read Bolton’s book (did you?).

Just take it off your shelf and show where the quote was wrong.
We should strive to be objective and develop our skills of discernment.
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Speak for yourself. I am already striving to be objective.
Mr. Bolton makes many comments regarding the President’s lack of professionalism . . .
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This is irrelevant with regards to the news quote I provided.

Why go to President Trump’s personality?
Why go to the ad hominem?

After all, this is supposed to be about his alleged comment about vets.

The media attacks President Trump for everything.

They attacked Trump about two scoops of ice cream, the way he shakes hands, the way he fed fish in Japan.

The whole Russian collusion narrative was
FAKE and virtually everyone knows it (but they don’t always admit it).
Purely a political move to quiet Brennon (sic)
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Are you serious? We should strive to be objective and develop our skills of discernment Leo2014.

It was not “purely” political but I admit there was a political dimension.

Brennan should have lost his security clearance when he lied to congress back in the day on his way to jail.




And this level of Brennan dishonesty did not begin with his response to President Trump.


My only complaint with the Trump administration was allowing Brennan to have security clearance as long as they did.
 
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I’m surprised they could only come up with 10 accomplices of Trump to deny the story in the Atlantic. Needless to say, their denials are not very convincing.
 
I dont believe this any more than I believe the other, its all just say so. There is no evidence either way.
 
This from back in April . . . .

Nolte: Atlantic Mag Hopes Coronavirus Leads America to China-Style Speech Censorship​

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JOHN NOLTE

27 Apr 2020773

3:59

The far-left Atlantic Magazine is openly lobbying for the coronavirus pandemic to lead to more China-style speech censorship here in America.

I know the above sentence sounds like hyperbole, like I’m taking the Atlantic’s argument to an extreme… But I’m not. This is precisely what the Atlantic is calling for and hoping for…

As the saying goes these days, the Atlantic is saying the quiet parts out loud…
As surprising as it may sound, digital surveillance and speech control in the United States already show many similarities to what one finds in authoritarian states such as China. Constitutional and cultural differences mean that the private sector, rather than the federal and state governments, currently takes the lead in these practices, which further values and address threats different from those in China. But the trend toward greater surveillance and speech control here, and toward the growing involvement of government, is undeniable and likely inexorable.

In the great debate of the past two decades about freedom versus control of the network, China was largely right and the United States was largely wrong. Significant monitoring and speech control are inevitable components of a mature and flourishing internet, and governments must play a large role in these practices to ensure that the internet is compatible with a society’s norms and values.

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We live—and for several years, we have been living—in a world of serious and growing harms resulting from digital speech. Governments will not stop worrying about these harms. And private platforms will continue to expand their definition of offensive content, and will use algorithms to regulate it ever more closely. The general trend toward more speech control will not abate.
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If that isn’t frightening enough, the piece was written by two law professors.

So we now have two law professors, one from Harvard, using a mainstream publication to argue in favor of big tech and big government teaming up to censor speech and ideas, in favor of embracing a communist country’s speech oppression techniques . . .
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Isnt your President doing the same if he is demanding a reporter be fired
 
Politics has always been a dirty game, with lots of mudslinging on all sides. But the last few election years have become worse than a daycare where all the caregivers have fallen asleep and left the toddlers to run the joint! I say worse, because I think toddlers would be kinder than our politician are to each other.

No wonder our elected leaders can’t get anything done! After tearing each other apart, calling each other mocking names and accusing each other of acts and crimes that would mean jail for anyone else–it’s just not possible after the election to back away, let the dust settle, meet for a beer (or a Diet Coke for Donald Trump!), be all palsy-walsy fellow public servants, and get down to work doing good things for the United States.

Would YOU be able to settle down and work with people who accused you of despicable actions and beliefs? Would you trust them?

I wouldn’t. Once someone has bad-mouthed me, I don’t ever trust them again.

Have any of you ever been in a toxic setting, perhaps a workplace? In my case, it was a church, back in the early 2000s, and to this day, I still don’t trust church goers. I wish I could. But once you’ve been trashed and come close to losing everything–it’s awfully hard to trust or work with people.

I think we would see a lot more get done if politicians would stop calling each other names and paying slime detectives to dig up dirt, and just argue about the issues and their suggestions for dealing with the issues. Then after the election, there would be nothing personal between the politician to stop progress in dealing with the issues.

But right now, it’s just not possible for anything to get done. The instant a duly-elected public servant proposes a bill, gives an executive order, attends an event, etc.–he/she is under attack again, and nothing, NOTHING, gets done.

Maybe what we need to do is elect a National Mother In Charge, and let her loose among these politicians with a very big wooden spoon.

Of course, the Blessed Mother Mary is Queen of the Americas, and I’m guessing she is doing a lot of praying for us right now.
 
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WATCH: Joe Biden’s Staff Give First Question to Atlantic Reporter, Who Asks About Trump’s ‘Soul’​

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JOEL B. POLLAK

4 Sep 2020

Joe Biden’s campaign kicked off a round of questions with the candidate Friday by selecting an Atlantic reporter who asked him to comment on President Donald Trump’s “soul and the life he leads.”

Biden, who rarely answers questions from the press, opened the floor to questions immediately after his remarks on the August jobs report, which showed the U.S. economy added 1.4 million jobs in August.

He deferred to his staff to choose the reporters who would be allowed to ask questions. The first reporter was Edward-Isaac Dovere of The Atlantic . . . .
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Atlantic Reporter Does Not Deny Coordinating Question with Joe Biden Campaign​

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JOEL B. POLLAK

4 Sep 2020

Edward-Isaac Dovere, a reporter for The Atlantic , did not deny coordinating a question about Trump’s “soul” with Joe Biden’s presidential campaign, which selected him to ask the first question during a rare press availability on Friday.

The Atlantic is the publication that published a story Thursday evening claiming that President Donald Trump had referred to Americans who died in the First World War as “losers” and “suckers.” The story was based on four anonymous sources. It has since been rejected or refuted by nearly a dozen on-the-record sources, including some Trump critics, like John Bolton.

Biden led a press conference on the economy by commenting angrily on the story, “if these statements [by Trump] are true.”

After his remarks, Biden turned to his staff, who selected Dovere to ask the first question. He asked: “When you hear these remarks — ‘suckers,’ ‘losers,’ recoiling from amputees — what does it tell you about president Trump’s soul, and the life he leads?”

Biden took the question as a cue to launch another attack on the president.

Dovere faced criticism from the Trump campaign, and defended himself on Twitter:

The following exchange with this reporter then ensued:

Joel Pollack:
You outed yourself as a tool. . . .
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. . . Tell the truth: did you coordinate that question with the @JoeBiden campaign? Or did you just decide to humiliate yourself on your own?
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No answer except arrogantly (my opinion) running down Breitbart.

And this . . .
@IsaacDovere Trying again one more time. Mutual snark aside, this is a serious question: did you coordinate your question about Trump’s “soul” with the @JoeBiden campaign?
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. . . As of this writing, Dovere has not responded. . . .
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