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WanderAimlessly
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Make that 100,001:
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Della
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I’d endorse it in a minute if the Representative hadn’t had to include homosexuality in the statement–not because I support the homosexual agenda, but because it is a side issue that will derail the intent of the statement to curb the constant and nonsensical litigation being brought by ACLU against any and all expressions of faith in the public life of the USA. What a shame! And what was the Representative thinking? Doesn’t he understand that the gays and their liberal supporters in Congress will have field day with this one statement while conveniently ignoring the real intent of the statement? Don’t we have anyone on our side with brains? 
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Thekla
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It must be time for me to send more money.Make that 100,001F
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KathleenElsie
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Signed it early on. So did the rest of my family.:yup:Make that 100,001
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Guar_Fan
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Using the power of the state to punish specific groups for political reasons… scary stuff. 
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abcdefg
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To ACLU?
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MikeinSD
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Guar Fan:
Not so scary if you “know” God’s will and are willing to use any means necessary to enforce His will. Just requires an invincible sense of self-righteousness.Using the power of the state to punish specific groups for political reasons… scary stuff.
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abcdefg
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To others:
Behold, This is an example of people supporting ACLU — Atheists who’re hostile of religion
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David_Paul
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Guar Fan:
Don’t understand your point. Are you saying the ACLU is being punished? It isn’t. No one is.Using the power of the state to punish specific groups for political reasons… scary stuff.
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MikeWM
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The ACLU strive to keep religion, politics, and the law separate - hardly a bad idea, rather reminiscent of a little document called the US Constitution.
I don’t find some of the activities of the ACLU things I would like to do myself - sticking up for the rights of free speech for fascist groups for example - but I’m glad someone is doing it.
In any event this proposed law sounds unconstitutional to me (just an opinion, I’m not a lawyer…)
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The following have been discussed ad nauseam
promote fornication
aclu.org/ReproductiveRights/ReproductiveRightsMain.cfm
ACLU:
the same page as above
ACLU:
aclu.org/court/court.cfm?ID=19210&c=317
promote gay marriage
aclu.org/getequal/aboutpage.htm
ACLU:
promote fornication
aclu.org/ReproductiveRights/ReproductiveRightsMain.cfm
ACLU:
promote abortion
the same page as above
ACLU:
promote euthanasia
aclu.org/court/court.cfm?ID=19210&c=317
promote gay marriage
aclu.org/getequal/aboutpage.htm
ACLU:
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:bigyikes:
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MikeWM
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‘I dislike what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.’
otherwise described - in one of the fascist free-speech cases - by Judge Bernard Decker:
“It is better to allow those who preach racial hatred to expend their venom in rhetoric rather than to be panicked into embarking on the dangerous course of permitting the government to decide what its citizens may say and hear … The ability of American society to tolerate the advocacy of even hateful doctrines … is perhaps the best protection we have against the establishment of any Nazi-type regime in this country.”
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‘I dislike what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it.’
otherwise described - in one of the fascist free-speech cases - by Judge Bernard Decker:
“It is better to allow those who preach racial hatred to expend their venom in rhetoric rather than to be panicked into embarking on the dangerous course of permitting the government to decide what its citizens may say and hear … The ability of American society to tolerate the advocacy of even hateful doctrines … is perhaps the best protection we have against the establishment of any Nazi-type regime in this country.”
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MikeWM said:
Why not defend their right yourself?
If a fascist says “I’m a fascist” that’s freedom of speech. if he says “all Jews are sub humans” that’s racism, he still will not be thrown to a prison. but it’s right to critize him. one can’t use “freedom of speech” to justify such speeches.
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MikeWM
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I’m not a lawyer. I can’t do it in a court of law.
Of course he should be very strongly criticised for saying such a silly thing.
Mike
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They’re different words. be careful next time
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David_Paul
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Separation is not mentioned in the constitution.
What law?
The ACLU has exploited a law passed to allow those discriminated against under the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to receive legal fees should they win a case. No tort occurs when the Ten Commandments is hung on a wall. The ACLU has no constitutional right to taxpayer funds. This proposal merely seeks to close a loophole in existing law.
Considering the ACLU promotes abortion, promotes same sex marriage, opposes parental notification, sues the Boy Scouts of America, defends pornographers, sues to take God out of the pledge, supports the North American Man/Boy Love Association and was founded by marxists, I find it odd anyone on a Christian forum would defend or fund the organization.
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pnewton
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Thank you for pointing that out. It is amazing how many love to refer to the constitution and are ignorant of what it really says.
It sounds like a great bill to me. The ACLU has burned too many bridges and deserves no credibility. Thet are about as “American” as al-Quaida.
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JesusFollower
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Warning: It is never acceptable to question the sincerity of an individual’s beliefs
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MikeWM
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Separation of religion from the state comes under ‘original intent’ in my book. Unless this is another case of people wanting the constitution read a certain way when it suits them and a different way when it doesn’t.
I’d say if it was just restricted to lawsuits relating to religion in the public square, that would be too strict a class of cases to be a fair law. But again, I’m not a lawyer, I already said this was just an opinion.
I think that is somewhat debatable - and evidently is, if they are managing to ‘exploit’ it at the moment.
I disagree with some of their positions. That doesn’t mean that a lot of what they do isn’t good.
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