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Along with the time-wastefulness of uber-engaging in any said talking of the talk about itā¦Indeed. Which emphasizes the mootness of the point.
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Plus. And Godās Kingdom - which is currently unobservable to us - is Very Useful to usā¦
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You are not going to be able to observe it. What is on the other side of the boundary of the observable universe is moving away from us faster than the speed of light. It is impossible to get any information from it as information cannot travel faster than that.Freddy:
Why on earth should something be useless to us just because we have not (yet) observed it?tafan2:
There is no connection between the observable universe and that which is beyond the boundary. It literally cannot affect us in any way, by definition. The ocean water and the antarctic ice form part of the environment and that environment would change if neither existed (as we might find out to our cost if the antarctic ice keeps dissapearing). So they do contribute to our existence. As does everything on the planet. It is all interlinked. All useful.
The āunobservable universeā has no use to us.
Any why does it matter if it is useless to US? God loves and cares for all creation, from the lowloest atom.of inanimate matter upwards.
If something is useful to any part of creation in any way, you can be sure it matters to Him.
And it doesnāt matter at all to me that itās useless. Iām just pointing that fact out because people were denying it.
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Izzat so? Chapter and Verse?
MeanWhile, we know more about the Physical Realm than just Visual Observation.
Andā¦ The Metaphysical and Spiritual Realms ā¦ can not be measured in terms of:
Mass, Distance, Space-Timeā¦
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Freddy
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Yepā¦Freddy:
Izzat so? Chapter and Verse?
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Say so - no support - so noā¦
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Freddy
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Sorry. I thought this common knowledge. Space itself is expanding. How are galaxies moving away faster than light?Freddy:
Say so - no support - so noā¦
So, no. We can never access everything on the other side of the boundary which marks the observable universe. An infinity of whatever is out there that serves no purpose as far as we are concerned. It has no use. It is therefore (wait for itā¦) useless.
In fact, in the far distant future, everything will have passed that boundary. Weāll be alone in a dark void.
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could beā¦ but is Fraser Cainās stanceā¦ accepted by all astro-physicists?
AND - getting back to 'faster than the speed of light" ā Cain ends with:
I stand with Einstein when I say that nothing can move faster than light through space, but objects embedded in space can appear to expand faster than the speed of light depending on your perspective.
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Freddy
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Iām sorry. That was as simple an explanation in that link that I could find. Maximum velocity is fixed. But that doesnāt mean that two things canāt be moving apart from each other at a rate which exceeds the speed of light.Freddy:
could beā¦ but is Fraser Cainās stanceā¦ accepted by all astro-physicists?
AND - getting back to 'faster than the speed of light" ā Cain ends with:
I stand with Einstein when I say that nothing can move faster than light through space, but objects embedded in space can appear to expand faster than the speed of light depending on your perspective.
Iām afraid that you are going to have to accept that thereās an infinity of existence beyond the observable universe that is forever unreachable.
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It could be for someone else, but it is possible that it is not something that serves a purpose.
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I believe he introduced the Lorentz factor to show this mathematically.
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Not according to Einsteinā¦
Iāll never accept what is pure unadulterated guesswork say-so
Thatās not the way of Science - -
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Einstein isnāt wrong. Velocity is fixed at a maximum. But galaxies outside the observable universe arenāt necessarily moving at a velocity relative to us. The ācomovingā distance (that is the distance measured were the universe not expanding) could be fixed. But the space between us is increasing so the āproperā distance is increasing.Freddy:
Not according to Einsteinā¦
That simply means that the distance between us is getting bigger at a rate faster than the speed of light.
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But that would mean the mass of the objects in question would be more than infinity, which is impossible.
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You can take that up with NASA:
According to NASA, scientists know that the universe is flat with only about a 0.4 percent margin of error (as of 2013). And that could change our understanding of just how big the universe is.
āThis suggests that the universe is infinite in extentā¦ā https://www.space.com/24073-how-big-is-the-universe.html
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Arenāt necessarily? ā¦ Could be? ā¦ Could change? ā¦ Suggests? .
Exists in the Realm of Speculation.
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Hereās something thatāll really bake your noodle: There are an estimated 2 TRILLION Galaxies in the observable universe. Just wrap your head around how many planets that would be considering that the Milky Way has approximately 100-400 billion stars, with approximately 200 billion planets, and there many galaxies that are far larger Galaxies than the Milky Way. The Andromeda Galaxy, which is visible in the night sky ( not where I live, unfortunately) is estimated to contain at least 1 trillion stars, twice the number of our galaxy. Itās above my pay grade to even contemplate 2 trillion multiplied by the 200 billion planets that are in our galaxy.
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Iām saying that they may not be to illustrate the fact that even if they arenāt then the distance between us is expanding faster than light can travel.Freddy:
Arenāt necessarily? ā¦ Could be? ā¦ Could change? ā¦ Suggests? .
Exists in the Realm of Speculation.
Really, your propensity for arguing for the sake of arguing is becoming tedious.
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Some scientists say that there are aliens here on earth now, but we may not be able to detect them with our senses.
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Noā¦ Iām showing how terms such as: " arenāt necessarily" and "āmay notā (= āmayā), et cetera, when employed within any argument - should be realized as undermining any Discussion whose intention is to come to a resolution of a Questionā¦
Discussions w/Socrates is a perfect example of how REASON - can come to Realizations which can indeed Refute false Argument.
āGalaxies outside the observable universes were traveling faster than the speed of light!ā ā¦
Yes? Then, No?
I mean likeā¦ cāmonā¦
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