"100 priests, lay scholars call Pope Francis to repent for Pachamama idolatry at Amazon Synod "

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Well that’s a pretty crazy mistake to make.

The men who threw it out, did so specifically because they understood it to be a statue of pachamama.

So why would Pope Francis call it a pachamama, if he was trying to explain it wasnt an idol?

Was he really not familiar with what pachamama is? You have to admit it’s a very bad mistake, if it was a mistake. And I dont mean malicious, but unwise, or ignorant.
 
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Trying2overcome . . .
that is the way they have become known in the Italian media . . .
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I anticipated that objection already.

That is EXACTLY WHY I talked about the Italian Bishops Monograph.

A Monograph which was printed BEFORE the Synod.

A Monograph which was printed BEFORE the media was speculating.

A Monograph which was printed BEFORE Italian Bishops SCRUBBED it from their website.

But fear not! I happen to have the salient portion right here (with the photo hyperlinked).

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. . . The booklet is part of a series of resources presenting the work and aims of the Catholic mission and its missionaries, with a special focus on the Amazon Synod that took place in Rome from October 6 to October 27.

It was published before the opening of the synod. The presence of the “Pachamama” in an official publication of de Italian bishops’ mission agency suggests that both the group comprising indigenous natives of the Amazon region and their European-type accompaniers and the Catholic hierarchy in Rome were fully aware of the “Mother Earth”–type cult with syncretic Christian overtones that repeated itself in the Vatican gardens and the church of Santa Maria in Traspontina near Saint Peter’s Basilica and at an “Amazonian” Via Crucis.

This sheds a whole new light on the presence of the carved wooden images of naked pregnant women whom Pope Francis himself designated as “Pachamama” statuettes… . .
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www.lifesitenews.com

Italian bishops' mission org publishes 'prayer to Pachamama' in official booklet - LifeSite

'Be propitious! Be propitious!' the prayer to the pagan deity reads.
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Yes the Italian Bishops website used for this Monograph has now scrubbed it. (But I saw it when it was still there.)

Here is THAT scrubbed website. (It is now GONE from there.)

https://www.missioitalia.it/sinodo-sullamazzonia/

Here is another site where you can still see and or get the whole monograph to see for yourself (or you can just take my word for it along with the screenshot I provided).

http://www.cmdbergamo.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/sinodo-amazzonia-opuscolo-di-animazione.pdf
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To Trying2overcome.

You go ahead and think whatever you want to think.

To everyone else. Draw your own conclusions.
 
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To the readers here.

It is largely irrelevant if they call a pachamama idol
a “pachamama” or anything else
when you are OFFERING food and drink offerings to it!

No matter what you “call” it, it’s an utter abomination.
1st CORINTHIANS 10:6-8a, 14, 19-20 6 Now these things are warnings for us, not to desire evil as they did.
7 Do not be idolaters as some of them were; as it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink and rose up to dance.” 8 We must not indulge in immorality as some of them did . . .
14 Therefore, my beloved,
shun the worship of idols . . . .
. . . 19 What do I imply then? That food offered to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20 No,
I imply that what pagans sacrifice
they offer to demons and not to God.
I do not want you to be partners with demons.
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NOT 1st CORINTHIANS 10:6-8a, 14, 19-20 6 Now these things are warnings for us, not to desire evil as they did.
7 Do not be idolaters as some of them were; as it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink and rose up to dance.” 8 We must not indulge in immorality as some of them did . . .
14 Therefore, my beloved,
shun the worship of idols . . . .
. . . 19 What do I imply then? That food offered to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20 No,
I imply that what pagans sacrifice
they offer to demons and not to God.
I do not want you to be partners with demons.
But if an idol is called something else other than pachamama,
I guess it’s OK to offer it food and drink offerings.
Or if you have “good intent” while offering sacrifice to these demons, it is also no biggy.
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Elsewhere from me (regarding the idolatrous prayer) . . . .
Preghiera
pachamama di questiluoghi bevi de mangia a volunta questa offerta, affinche sia frutosa questa terra. . . .
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Translation:
Prayer
pachamama of these places drink and eat this offer, so that this land may be fruitful. . . .
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It isn’t a mistake. Why is it so unfathomable that a south American Pope who is familiar with the peoples and cultures there knows about this more than some guy who youtubes the destruction of property? They aren’t displayed as idols. They are displayed as an ecumenical and respectful gesture.

Why does the Church elect a south American as pope and then wonder why he isn’t the same as the euro centric popes when it comes to these issues!? Why do we trust the theology of a vandal over the pope? God chose francis for this time. God bless pope francis!
 
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But why do you supplant your own opinions for that of the Pope? He is wise, and Holy and your leader. He should counsel you, not you counseling him. I’m sure he cares about “the family”. Whatever that means.
 
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Sorry, I thought I was in another thread. Lol

I get mixed up when jumping between threads!
 
It wasnt a mistake to call it a pachamama?

If ots not a pachamama, then the Pope should know. He should not call it one, unless it is one.

If he knows so much, then he must be correct that it is a pachamama
 
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Look up pachamama. Read all about the history.

Then listen to the testimony of Fr. Mitch Pawca.

If everyone who thinks Pope Francis is to be trusted as such an expert, then they should trust him, when he called the statue a pachamama.

If it was a mistake to call it that, then he needs to fess up and say "I am sorry for calling it a pachamama, I didnt know what I was talking about. I thought it was pachamama when we brought it into the Church and participated in ceremonies with it. I guess it isnt pachamama, and it is actually… "
 
I agree. An official explanation from the Vatican would be great. I don’t think that will happen though. Apparently, the whole pachamama stuff was organized by outside organizations, not the Vatican.

“The Vatican declined to comment on the ring or on other aspects of the ceremony, and noted that the event was organized by outside organizations.”


One of the great faults of this debacle is the clear lack of communication between the Vatican and these “outside” organizations. Some say this, others that. 🤷‍♂️
 
Right. Vatican did say it was a symbol of life. And the owners said it is “our lady of the Amazon”

So why did Francis call it pachamama? Did he not understand what pachamama is?

That is three different “labels”.

Is it a symbol of life, our lady of the Amazon Mary, or pachamama?

Because it is not an official representation of Mary. Brasil has Our Lady of Aparacida (definitely Mary) as an official patroness.

It’s more confusion from this papacy
 
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Just because we are sinners, it doesn’t mean we can’t point out problems in The Church. We can try to improve both ourselves and God’s Church on Earth.
 
Trying2overcome . . .
Apparently, the whole pachamama stuff was organized by outside organizations, not the Vatican.
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Maybe. But one of those “outside organizations” was the Italian Bishops Conference.

Here again is the “prayer” they printed . . . .

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It is painstakingly obvious that at least SOME within the Vatican were aware of this kind of thing being about to happen (this was printed BEFORE the Synod began and up until recently was available online-- now they scrubbed it from their website).

Look. I want to think the best about ALL who were involved here.

But I am not going to fall into the sin of incredulity (denying an obvious truth - in this case revealed to me via my senses) just because I want to think some of these guys cannot make a mistake.

That is not Catholic teaching.

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CCC 2089a Incredulity is the neglect of revealed truth or the willful refusal to assent to it. . . .
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Do you remember the good old days when our saints did away with pagan customs and taught the new people about Jesus and Christianity? Remember St. Boniface cutting down Thor’s tree? Jesus is God real and everlasting, lets show people we truly believe that by supporting Christ’s Church and all its traditions. Its good to be somewhat respectful of another’s religion but again remember, there is only One God.
 
I think this was an act of idolatry towards a pagan fertility goddess, and in particular, I think this act of idolatry may be classified as a form of syncretism.

Probably someone who knows more than I do could be even more specific, but with my limited knowledge, that is as specific as I can get.
 
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