"100 priests, lay scholars call Pope Francis to repent for Pachamama idolatry at Amazon Synod "

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Why are Catholics thinking this whole Amazonian synod and cultural endeavor is a type of evangelization???

Isnt the whole of South America predominantly Catholic, and even more than most other nations, including the U.S.?

Instead, if these are sincere Catholics, the Church should be admonishing the mixing of pagan practices with Christian worship.
 
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They want God and the Church in a western European box.
I’m not sure about that. There’s the Our Lady of Czestochowa / The Black Madonna and Our Lady of Akita. Those are just some popular ones that come to mind. I’m sure there are others.

Gloria Purvis, Deacon Harold, and Monsignor Pope are also concerned. Gloria and Deacon Harold are hardly European.
 
I definitely think there should be an official explanation from the Vatican about all of this. If they see we are so confused, why not be gracious and offer an explanation? Unless they just don’t care. Really, I would like to know if the image is a Marian image, a symbolic image, or a pagan one? That’s the real reason why people are concerned, NOT because the image is indigenous. Frankly, its getting annoying being accused of prejudice or racism because you are concerned about this whole pachamama stuff 🤦‍♂️
 
Another thing I would really like to know is the prayer that was said at the ritual performed in the Vatican Gardens. Does anyone know the text? I think this would really shed some light on this situation…
 
The pope has communicated it is not idol worship. And in keeping with the synod I think it is more a sign of the environmental commitment the Church is opening up to. We need to be aware of the climate issues. And that was the purpose of the display. That and honor to the indigenous peoples. Why would he have to repent for that? Why can 100 priests tell the pope to repent at all?
 
https://www.contrarecentiasacrilegia.org/

Not lifesitenews.
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Edit to add: just pointing out LSN sometimes passes on news already found elsewhere.
The no comment is not a denial of what is being reported. It’s just that some sources are always looking for the negative no matter what, and love to put a negative spin on things in whatever way they can. So I generaly do not comment on those sources as I believe they have an agenda.
 
The pope has communicated it is not idol worship. And in keeping with the synod I think it is more a sign of the environmental commitment the Church is opening up to. We need to be aware of the climate issues. And that was the purpose of the display. That and honor to the indigenous peoples. Why would he have to repent for that? Why can 100 priests tell the pope to repent at all?
The Pope said the intentions were not to worship. Right?

First, Is he speaking for everyone’s devotion to pachamama? How can he know other people’s intentions without personal investigation?

Especially when a formal prayer expresses a form of worship to pachamama!

Secondly, even if intentions to worship do not exist, the object, which he said represents pachamama, still should not be used in a Holy ceremony or placed in a Church, because of the nature of its use in its history and by others presently.
 
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Not only is the pope the pope. He is also well experienced as a south american. He knows what they represent more than you or I or anyone else. It is sad when the western world freaks out over something different. We should be beyond that. I’m surprised at the distrust of the Holy Father on this site. We are so very blessed to have him as our pope!
 
Then he is re-educating virtually all known understanding and history of the pachamama.

This includes specialists from the Church who have been working in these areas for many years.

Sorry, but “we are not stupid, we are not”
 
Trying2overcome . . .
Another thing I would really like to know is the prayer that was said at the ritual performed in the Vatican Gardens. Does anyone know the text?
I don’t know but if it was anything like the Italian Bishops Conference prayer that was printed, it includes offering sacrifice to a known idol.
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Prayer to Pachemama Catholic News
Thanks for posting that information @Jerzy. (Here). People have gotta know what’s going on. These “goings on” are very sinful. Jerzy. I didn’t read your post before I went to the original. (Hat tip to you and to @Adamek for positing the above information too which allowed me to even go to the original monograph concerning the Amazonian Synod.) I got this far . . . Preghiera pachamama di questiluoghi bevi de mangia a volunta questa offerta, affinche sia frutosa questa terra. . . . Tra…
https://www.missioitalia.it/sinodo-sullamazzonia/

You must go in about 17 pages if I recall correctly if you want to see this “prayer” of abomination.

(Recall. Pope Francis has said these were pachamamas. They are idols.)

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From LifeSiteNews and Fr. Mitch Pacwa . . . .
. . . Pacwa, who is familiar with Pachamama worship from his work in Peru, was not impressed by the attempts of the Vatican’s Communications team to spin the figures as mere symbols of fertility and motherhood.

“Knock it off,” he said with uncharacteristic anger. “We’re not stupid. We’re not. This is an idol.”

One fruit of syncretistic Catholic interest in Pachamama has the appearance of a prayer to the pagan goddess published by the Mission Office of the Italian Bishops’ Conference.

Pacwa went on to read part of a “prayer” to Pachamama that was published by the Mission Office of the Italian Bishops’ Conference in the leadup to the Amazon Synod: “Pachamama of these places, drink and eat as much as you like of these offerings, so that this land may be fruitful. Pachamama, good Mother, be propitious!”

“Stop,” Pacwa shouted. “You’re talking about making an offering to a goddess that the people of the Andes put higher than Jesus and his Blessed Mother.”

The priest told his audience that “Pachamama was still adored and worshipped in Peru, especially in the mountains.

“She was part of a hierarchy of deities,” Pacwa explained.

“The gods of the mountains were the chief deities. Pachamama, or Mother Earth, was under them. Below Pachamama were Jesus, the Blessed Virgin Mary, and the saints. And then the rest of us. So they had integrated Pachamama into a pseudo-Catholic view of the world.”

Pacwa stressed that there is only one God, one God in three Persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

“There is no other god!” he proclaimed.

The priest said he hoped that the Conference of Italian Bishops had no idea the prayer had been published in their name. . . .

. . . do we look to Pachamama to give her sacrifices, something we may not do to the Blessed Mother! We cannot offer her sacrifices! Sacrifices are offered to God and to God alone!” he continued,. “This other nonsense has to stop. And it’s spreading.”
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Pachamama is a goddess . . . She is also an ever-present and independent deity who has her own self-sufficient and creative power to sustain life on this earth . . .
 
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CilladeRoma . . .
Pope Francis does not have to explain anything to me, I trust that he is being guided by the Holy Spirit to do what is right for the whole Church.
The statue is question, was presented as a representation of Mary . . . .
If you think Pope Francis is being guided by the Holy Spirit,
WHY NOT just believe Pope Francis
when he says it is a pachamama?? Twice.


Why put out a spoof about the Blessed Virgin Mary that Austen Ivereigh attempted to put out at a press conference until he was corrected? (I saw the video exchange.)
 
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Is this 100 priests accusing the pope? Why? It wasn’t idol worship, it was being sensitive to a culture that (gasp) isn’t euro centric!
 
Culture is all fine and good.

A pagan goddess touted, offered sacrifices, prayed to, etc. crosses a line.

Playcating along with a pagan goddess is participation.
 
I’m sure he was referring to them as “pachamama” because that is how they have been referred to in the media, not because they actually are pagan goddess statues. I’ll trust that, as many involved with the Amazon synod have asserted, they aren’t pagan. They are most likely symbolic images. The fact, however, that the woman who presented one of the images to the pope called it “Our Lady of the Amazon” is interesting…
 
because it then casts doubt on the assertion of many that the image is merely symbolic. Is it marian? symbolic? Who knows
 
Trying2overcome . . .
I’m sure he was referring to them as “pachamama” because that is how they have been referred to in the media . . .
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How are you so sure of that?

The media referred to the statue(s) as Elizabeth, anyone, whatever you think it is, Austen Ivereigh even publicly attempted to say it was the Blessed Virgin Mary!

The Italian Bishops Conference has a “prayer” composed to pachamama. These were printed BEFORE media speculation even began guessing.

There was no “prayer” to “anything you want it to be”.

It was a prayer to pachamama. A prayer that included OFFERING SACRIFICE!

And Fr. Pacwa has worked among the South American people as well. He said the same thing.

Why do this against yourself?

Why not just take Pope Francis at his word?

Why “divine” things into his mind, and in the process ignore what he says?

And if this is not pagan, just WHO do you think it is OK to offer sacrifice to (outside of God)?
 
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