10's of thousands of Anglicans ask to join the Catholic Church?

[GKC]

Actually the largest continuing Anglican group that is known as the Anglican Catholic Church is NOT part of the Traditinal Anglican Communion.

I believe they even had some legal battles in years past over some splits. If I understand correctly, the ACC uses the Anglican Missal exclusively, not so the TEC which has many regional variations.

They are not one in the same or a smaller part of the whole. They are two different groups altogether.

Actually, you are right, totally. No way to account for it (hurried, harassed and exhausted, maybe), but I typed in the “ACC”, when I meant the Anglican Church in America/ ACA. Substitute that, all else remains the same. That is, the ACA is the American aspect of the TAC, and , in fact, brought the TAC into being. The first TAC primate (Falk) was at the time the Primate of the ACA.

The ACC is one of the other major American Continuing jusirdictions, along with the APCK, the Diocese of the Holy Cross, and a couple of others. Whehter there has been legal nastiness between the ACC and the ACA, memory fails. But there was between the ACC and the Holy Catholic Church - Anglican Rite (I think) resulting in the latter’s somewhat awkward cognomen.

My apologies for my typo.

GKC

 

[ASimpleSinner]

Actually, you are right, totally. No way to account for it (hurried, harassed and exhausted, maybe), but I typed in the “ACC”, when I meant the Anglican Church in America/ ACA. Substitute that, all else remains the same. That is, the ACA is the American aspect of the TAC, and , in fact, brought the TAC into being. The first TAC primate (Falk) was at the time the Primate of the ACA.

The ACC is one of the other major American Continuing jusirdictions, along with the APCK, the Diocese of the Holy Cross, and a couple of others. Whehter there has been legal nastiness between the ACC and the ACA, memory fails. But there was between the ACC and the Holy Catholic Church - Anglican Rite (I think) resulting in the latter’s somewhat awkward cognomen.

My apologies for my typo.

GKC

All is forgiven - I just noticed two typos in my response!

Given the wide variety of folks you list and others who are making a good effort to establish their own jurisdictions, one is left to wonder why efforts to wrangle these groups of similar aspiration into one “big tent” jurisdiction or ***ad hoc ***working group has proven so difficult.

 

[peary]

Here’s the story:

Traditionally Christian Anglicans Ask to Join Catholic Church En Masse
Here’s a quote:

The splits in the Worldwide Anglican Communion over the church’s secularising trends and growing enthusiasm for homosexuality has led some to seek reunion with the Catholic Church after nearly 500 years apart. The bishops of the Traditional Anglican Communion (TAC)are reported to have met in Plenary Session in Portsmouth, England, in the first week of October 2007 and “unanimously agreed” to send a letter to the Pope seeking full, corporate, sacramental union” with the Catholic Church. The group has agreed not to give interviews until the Vatican has responded to their request. The TAC boasts of some 400,000 members worldwide with at least 100 parishes in the US. It has been estimated that the TAC could have as many as 500 parishes supporting its goals in the UK. TAC has been seeking for some years to establish some agreement with Rome that would see the entire body into the Catholic Church. In 2005, shortly after the election of Pope Benedict XVI, the head of the TAC, Archbishop John Hepworth of Adelaide, Australia, said, “We are looking at a church which would retain an Anglican liturgy, Anglican spirituality and a married clergy.” The TAC has retained a positive relationship with Pope Benedict since, as Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, he was head of the Vatican’s doctrinal office, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. In related news, a group of traditionally minded members of the Church of England has warned Dr. Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury, that they would continue to resist the slide of the church towards secularisation. The group, called Reform, said that dozens of Anglican parishes in Britain will start ordaining their own clergy in defiance of their bishops who are overwhelmingly in favour of normalising homosexuality in the church.

 

[East_and_West]

As a former Anglican, I just recently “crossed the Tiber”, I would love see TAC become in Communion with Rome. Just like Eastern Byzantine Catholics I don’t see why there couldn’t be an “Anglican Rite Catholic”. Such a move would I feel encourage conservative Episcopalians in the United States and conservative Anglicans in the UK to come home to the Catholic Church. I would like to see an “Anglican Rite” Mass using the 1662 or 1928 Book of Common Prayer as a base. As far as married Priests and Bishops, why not? If there were an Anglican Rite in the Catholic Church then I don’t see why they couldn’t retain that aspect of allowing current Clergy to stay married and allow future Clergy to get married like the Eastern Rite Catholics.

The problem with having another western sui juri Church for ex anglicans is that angilicans really do not have their own unique apostolic traditions or spirituality like byzantines do or chaldeans. Anglicans share the same spiritual patrimony as does the Latin Church.

 

[GKC]

All is forgiven - I just noticed two typos in my response!

And at least one in mine

Given the wide variety of folks you list and others who are making a good effort to establish their own jurisdictions, one is left to wonder why efforts to wrangle these groups of similar aspiration into one “big tent” jurisdiction or ***ad hoc ***working group has proven so difficult.

Historically it certainly has. Speaking of the Continuing Anglican variety, it began with high hopes with the formation of the Anglican Church of North America, shortly after the St. Louis meeting in 1977 (don’t quote me). This group rapidly broke up (the APCK is actually one of its original 4 dioceses) and the process has continued. Folks postulate a variety of reasons. One is personality. Some of the leaders simply didn’t like some of the others. And then there is purple passion - Hey, I wanna be a bishop too. But mainly I thnk it’s doctrine. Historic Anglicanism has a wide range of doctrine, under a central creedal umbrella. When the split occurred, mainly driven by the more Anglo-Cstholic side first over liturgy, then over females in collars, some people began to purify a little. This time Anglicans would get it right. None of that (filll in the blank) this time around. So instead of the big orthodox tent we got lots of pup tents, each orthodox in its own way. It’s certainly distressing. And this isn’t even considering the plethora of groups that are now splitting off of TEC, and not taking the Continuing route, but seeking to become the new TEC, or to shelter under the episcopal protection of Anglican Communion primates still more or less orthodox. There is a movement called Common Cause that actually seeks to bring all these folks into one tent again. Herding cats isn’t in it.

GKC