11 years in jail for a stillbirth: did the Church in El Salvador support this legislation?

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The Church teaches that the state has duty to punish murder.

You should avoid listening to pro-abortion propaganda.
 
In case it isn’t obvious, there are people in prisons in every country on Earth who claim to be innocent. A small number of them probably are, but given that the most liberal estimates hold that ~10 women are prosecuted for abortion each year in El Salvador, and that the miscarriage rate is several thousand times higher, there’s no reason, whatsoever, to think that there’s any systematic “persecution” of women who miscarry.

The Guardian and other pro-slaughter rags publish these lies because they are loyal servants of their father, who is the father of lies.
 
According to Wikipedia, which would certainly have given that info had it been available, the current law was not commented upon by the Church.

Oddly, the current law, afaict, calls for jail terms of less than 10 years. The fact that these women received 30-year terms seems strange.

Moreover, on the news tonight I heard that there had been 100 women imprisoned for “abortion-related” offenses since 2000, which means some of the women are in prison for something other than procuring an abortion.

There are miscarriages of justice all the time. I hear about people being let out of prison after they were exonerated, esp by DNA evidence unavailable at the time of their trial, fairly frequently.the fact that this happens from time to time does not mean that the law is bad or wrong, but that humans are limited.
 
This article doesn’t pass muster on objective journalism to say the least.

“Reproductive rights” in 2018 = “Commerce rights” in 1800.
 
whether it was a still birth or abortion, IDK, but in almost every state in the US you cannot(illegal) abort a 9 month old baby.
 
So am I right in thinking that the people responding to this thread would like, if it were possible, to have a law absolutely prohibiting all abortions in their own countries, just as in El Salvador, along with the criminalisation of the women involved?
 
Yes, we would definitely like to see it outlawed completely, and most of us would like to see the doctors performing the abortions charged for criminal murder.

As for the women, it would really depend on circumstances. If a woman makes the decision to kill her child of her own free will, then yes, she should be prosecuted for that decision. That’s murder, and it deserves punishment. However, if the woman is forced into it by a family member or boyfriend, then she should receive counseling, and the person actually responsible for the child’s death should be the one punished.

This is murder we’re talking about, and wanting to see a murderer punished for their crime isn’t all that odd.
 
Based only on the information provided, does it seem normal to you that a woman would allow a pregnancy to continue until the 9th month, seem excited about having a new baby, and then do something to abort while at work? Sounds to me like she suffered a placental abruption. I think she’s lucky to be alive.
 
FiveLinden said:
So am I right in thinking that the people responding to this thread would like, if it were possible, to have a law absolutely prohibiting all abortions in their own countries,
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Abortion is murder. Don’t you think that murder should be illegal?
FiveLinden said:
…along with the criminalisation of the women involved?
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Most of the time the women who think they need to murder their own babies are victims too. What in the world makes you think they would be treated as criminals? They never were before Roe v. Wade.

I know little about the case referenced in the OP, but if it truly is as portrayed then her imprisonment was a terrible injustice.
 
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neophyte said:
Abortion is murder. Don’t you think that murder should be illegal?
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No, abortion is abortion. It is possible to discuss it without resorting to calling it by other names. Yes I think murder should be illegal. But I do not think all killing should be illegal. If we call things by their proper names we do not fall into illogic.
 
FiveLinden said:
No, abortion is abortion. It is possible to discuss it without resorting to calling it by other names.
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Murder is “the intentional killing of an innocent human being”, and if abortion does not fit that description then nothing does.
FiveLinden said:
If we call things by their proper names we do not fall into illogic.
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You can start by calling abortion what it is: murder.
 
I view the very fact that they call abortion “abortion” to be proof that they know it’s wrong and indeed murder. The only reason why I call it abortion is because it is a more specific type of murder, like fratricide or regicide.
 
Yes. If I ever ran for president cough 2036 cough that would be a central part of my platform.
 
Cecilia_Dympna said:
Lucky? She’s been taken away for her 4 year old for 11 years. This case made me feel sick, It’s so horrible. So sad.
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I didn’t mean she was lucky that all that happened to her. The symptoms she experienced are those of a life-threatening condition.
 
FiveLinden said:
So am I right in thinking that the people responding to this thread would like, if it were possible, to have a law absolutely prohibiting all abortions in their own countries, just as in El Salvador, along with the criminalisation of the women involved?
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Yes, abortion should be prohibited without exception, and those who have, perform, or conspire to arrange one should be prosecuted for murder.
TheOldColonel said:
I was still-born. I didn’t start to breath until age five. My heart has yet to make a sound. But that came in handy throughout much of my career. Hoorah!
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This is more plausible than the story the media is selling here.
Phemie said:
Based only on the information provided, does it seem normal to you that a woman would allow a pregnancy to continue until the 9th month, seem excited about having a new baby, and then do something to abort while at work?
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No. Murders don’t generally fall within the category of “normal behavior”.
neophyte said:
Most of the time the women who think they need to murder their own babies are victims too. What in the world makes you think they would be treated as criminals?
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Some people think that women are adults and should be treated as such.

I know that’s a minority viewpoint.
Cecilia_Dympna said:
Lucky? She’s been taken away for her 4 year old for 11 years. This case made me feel sick, It’s so horrible. So sad.
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If a man was convicted of killing his kid, but some piece of trash newspaper published by fanatical ideologues said he was innocent, would you feel similarly sick?
 
Think of what happened to her. She’s in pain and bleeding, passes out, and comes to being arrested for causing an abortion. With what evidence? Doesn’t look like they need any.
 
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