11 yr. old Pentecostal friend is inviting my 11 yr old Catholic- Christian to his church

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Please do not put words in my mouth, I did not say the child shouldn’t listen to his parents. Nor did I say to listen to ME. You sound judgmental, stpuri when you speak this way.

You think in terms of "away from the Catholic faith… " to some other body, as if there is such a conversion. There is not! There is only one Christian body, some of them are Roman Catholic, others are not. Some of them think they are superior, others do not.

When this child turns 14 or 15 and is absolutely entrenched in the culture of this world, it won’t be about Catholic or Protestant. get real! It will be about, can they have the spiritual strength to call out to their savior, or just fall away.
 
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You make my point when you speak (name removed by moderator). Just the fact that we are talking about one group over another is a sign of immaturity in the body of Christ. "for when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another “I am of Apollos, are you not carnal?” 1st. Cor. 3:4

I don’t care if you are Methodist, Lutheran, Catholic or whatever. The posturing and promoting that goes on, at this web site grieves the Lord terribly … I just turned to a post where a man is whipping a horse laying on the ground. The horse is the Protestant and the man is the Catholic. Then you can drop down and listen to all the snarling comments. wow …

It is presumptuous of anyone to decided how the Spirit of the Lord will lead a man, women, or child. You think you know… but that is all it is. an opinion. The Lord leads His people, some of them are Roman Catholic, others are just Catholic Christians of various denominations.
 
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Okay. I over reacted to the horse thing. sorry (name removed by moderator) But the “Catholic” v’s Protestant theme found in every post is tiring. It shows division, not unity. Division is not a point of maturity in understanding God’s way of doing things. I agree there are differences of theological understanding, but the posturing by SOME, is sickening. It goes on, and on, and on… every page.

I know there are “protestant” groups who do the very same thing. And I’m just as turned off to them as well.
 
Yes, you are definitely misunderstanding the ‘fullness of truth’. Talk about prideful. . .um, let’s see.

Suppose you have a library which has 10,000 books, another with 100,000, and another with 1,000,000. All three libraries have a ‘core’ of great books, including the bible. But the library with 1,000,000 books is going to have a ‘fullness’ that the smaller ones do not. Certainly you can find enough books even at the one with 10,000 books to get along, and even to get along ‘well’, in a subject. And certainly you’re likely to find books that aren’t so great at all of those libraries as well.

But I ask you, if you’re going to be taking a test for something life-changing, and you have the opportunity to choose which library to study from, are you seriously going to choose the ones with fewer books? Especially if you go from the ‘all things being equal’ viewpoint, so you know you have a ‘good shot’ at all, tell me really, what person would NOT pick the library with the most available books on the subject?

Well, the Catholic Church is like that library with 1,000,000 books. And the Protestant Christian and Orthodox libraries are like the ones with smaller amounts (I won’t say how small, but even if there is just ONE ‘fewer’ book, supposing that one book is the one that puts you over the top from fail to pass). Remember, I said that ALL the libraries possess ‘sufficient’ books.

So yes, maybe you personally could make a go from the library with 10,000 books. It is sufficient. Some people prefer to have ‘less’ anyway. Some people are slower. (of course, libraries have librarians, card catalogs, and other ‘helps’, and the bigger, usually the more services). But again I ask, if you had the choice to go to the library with the most books and services, wouldn’t you want to? And the best part is that, unlike say living in Outer Mongolia or some place where there only WAS a small library, we always have ‘the big library’ there. In fact, it was the first library, and all the branches took SOME of the circulation materials from there (the materials that are ‘sufficient’) but also put in some stuff that isn’t so helpful. Their catalogs got a little confused and the staff, well-meaning and friendly, are confused as well. The big library also has times where some of the staff get little ‘shaky’ but the catalog itself has been there 2000 years and is always right and there for reference.
 
Okay (name removed by moderator), thank you for the explanation. We too on the evangelical side of things warn people about attending a Catholic Church if they want to. I personally do not warn them because I know what it is all about and what to expect. Others do not.

I was saved and filled in the Spirit in a Catholic Church when I was 21 years old. But I was raised Catholic all my life and received confirmation at 12. I did not know the Lord in any experiential way until He filled me sitting in the pew on a Sunday night. It was an encounter I will never forget. But since those early days, He led me on to other bodies all of the same body. … We are not the enemy on this side. I know some are antagonistic, but not all. Some are antagonistic on the Catholic side too, but not all. I find we do share a few important centerpieces- namely Christ.
 
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You have a point. God does want unity. But if there is a group that is ‘all right’ and there are other groups that are ‘mostly right’, what is one to do to achieve unity? Should the group that is ‘all right’ sacrifice some of its rightness so that it too is just ‘mostly right’ lest the other groups feel it is claiming a superiority? I mean, obviously the other groups feel that they are ‘all right’, so it is a problem. It should be (but isn’t) easy to show where something is either right or wrong. . . and then, I know it must be just as hard for you as for me to think that what I believe ‘might be wrong’. And then too, so often what seems like a ‘small point’ for one group turns out to be ‘but that is just a HUGE point" for the other group, and vice versa. Real Presence to us key to understanding Christ correctly; to many Protestants, it’s a huge stumbling block. But as a Catholic, I cannot say, "Well, it’s Christ’s body and blood, Soul and Divinity, to ME, but hey if you believe that it is symbolic–not just to you in your church, but that it’s the same in our Catholic Church and we’ve ‘got it wrong’ and need to change our understanding and teach it as a symbol’ well to me that would be a point I simply could not agree with. Ever. It’s something I believe was revealed by the Holy Spirit and I could not reject it." And so it is hard to find unity. We have a lot of common bonds, but the things that separate us are in some cases so profound.
 
If someone believes they have the fullness of truth, it stands to reason they would not want their children led into a version of that truth that is less complete. It’s about religious duty, yes, but it’s also about parental love.
 
Certainly you know that human nature loves to be right. There are many denominations all claiming to have the truth on all matters. I learned this early on as a Catholic, but also as a, quote, Protestant. Everyone makes this claim, but not everyone shouts it from the roof tops. Some say, we think we know the truth, but will find out for sure on that Great day. This is a better approach in my view.

Every denomination has it s scholars and experts. Some are scholarly with the Hebrew and Greek language. Others are great with hermeneutics. Everyone has their circle of elitist who say, “We have the highest Truth!” “We are the experts on scripture!” … I would rather wait and see on that great day.

I debated a few people here on the Eucharist. My only point was that God’s manifest presence is available at all times and in all places for those who call upon the name of the Lord. His presence is not restricted to the practice of the Eucharist. But if you or anyone else want to narrow that down to that one practice, okay…
 
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I’m sorry, but this is the Catholic Answers forum. Mostly the answers you are going to get will be Catholic. I’m not sure why this should be a matter of surprise or concern?
 
I am not surprised at the answers. I am surprised at the posturing of a seeming superiority over other members of God’s body. It comes across as prideful and immature. It shouldn’t be.
 
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Right, so in your opinion, Catholics here should just shrug their shoulders about religious matters because we’re all Christians and the details don’t really matter? Am I paraphrasing accurately? I don’t wish to be rude, I live with family members who come from that perspective and I’m afraid I don’t understand it.
 
No… there is a way to discuss the details of theology or whatever you want without pulling the “We are superior to you, you filthy Protestant, and you should listen to us!” card. There is no exaggeration on this point. I have gotten myself into some pretty deep theological debates that have lasted several weeks on this site. And that is cool. But some of it is very condescending, as if God CANNOT use non-Catholic people to convey his truth.
 
I’ll be honest, I have seen some of what you mention on the site at times. But, and I think this is pertinent, not particularly on this thread. I’ve seen careful advice that for a Catholic parent, this situation would be less than ideal, and I think that is fair enough.
I have four children, three of whom are committed Anglicans, one of whom is an atheist. In the grand scheme of things I would rather they were all Anglicans, but ideally I would prefer my family to be Catholic. Not because I think Catholics are ‘better’, but because I think they are right.
 
There can be no unity between heretics and Catholics. Lies have no place in the Truth. There is only one Faith and it is found in the Catholic Church. Anything else is insufficient and contrary. Exposing a Catholic child to other faiths without proper guidance and distance is spiritual child-abuse.

extra Ecclesiam nulla salus
 
joytothewhirled, I hear you. But I don’t even think along those lines. I don’t say, "well, I’ve got seven children, two of them are Lutherans, and one is a Methodist and another is Pentecostal, but the rest are Catholic. I would hope the first four would come back home. No… no… all of them are “in Christ.” This is a Truth worth fighting for.

As to who is right, I can argue point by point with you guys on this site, and honestly, your answers are not that impressive. But that is neither here nor there. The Lord is my shepherd I shall not want. And the holy Spirit is my teacher 1st. John 2:27
 
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No… there is a way to discuss the details of theology or whatever you want without pulling the “We are superior to you, you filthy Protestant, and you should listen to us!” card. There is no exaggeration on this point. I have gotten myself into some pretty deep theological debates that have lasted several weeks on this site. And that is cool. But some of it is very condescending, as if God CANNOT use non-Catholic people to convey his truth.
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What the actual heck?

This is about an 11-year-old child at great danger of prostelization being swayed by another child playing in a band and sports games.

A fully grown adult who refused to learn a thing about Pentecostals–yeah, they deserve a little flack.

11year olds should not be in the place to have “deep theological debates” they are children, they need to learn their own faith.

Most, except one, on here said “no” to the service and “yes” to the basketball. No one here called Protestants filthy, no one here said that God cannot tell some truths through other faiths.

Almost all on here are simply affirming a parent’s God-given duty to instruct their child in the Catholic faith.
 
Ah, well the Holy Spirit is directing me that the presence of Christ in the Eucharist is only to be found in certain churches, so we find ourselves at an impasse. Is the Holy Spirit contradicting Himself?
Anyway, I don’t want to stray too far from the OP and I should get some sleep, it’s nearly eleven in the UK. Nice talking to you.
 
No one here has denied that a parent has the right to guide their child. No one here expects a child to be able to discern any Church body. My point has flown right over your head. I don’t know about this Pentecostal Church, whether or not it is safe. some are… and some are not. Just as some Catholic Churches are safe, and some are not. If (and that is a big IF) if the holy spirit is leading this child to explore it, then allow the parents to do the same. You cannot convert the converted.
 
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