112 year old Muslim man married 17 year girl.

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The USA is in Bangladesh’s backyard? Hmmm…I guess geography is not your strong suit, Famdigy. 😛

Once again, you cannot compare what happens in the POST-CHRISTIAN, actively SECULAR west with what happens in the Muslim countries. Such things can happen in the secular west beause the prevailing ethos is “Hey, as long as it doesn’t break any state law or kill schoolchildren or something, who cares? Let people do what they want”. It is essentially a legalistic mindset, divorced from religion because that is the structure of our societies because they are not theocratic. By contrast, when such things happen in the Muslim world they are interpreted according to their religious permissability (or lack thereof).
 
The USA is in Bangladesh’s backyard? Hmmm…I guess geography is not your strong suit, Famdigy. 😛

Once again, you cannot compare what happens in the POST-CHRISTIAN, actively SECULAR west with what happens in the Muslim countries. Such things can happen in the secular west beause the prevailing ethos is “Hey, as long as it doesn’t break any state law or kill schoolchildren or something, who cares? Let people do what they want”. It is essentially a legalistic mindset, divorced from religion because that is the structure of our societies because they are not theocratic. By contrast, when such things happen in the Muslim world they are interpreted according to their religious permissability (or lack thereof).
Morning star is in bangladish??? how was I supposed to know that, I presumed she was in the USA.

regardless of the reasons, secular or religious, these events take place in both Muslim and Christian countries. I agree that I cannot compare everything, but in this particular case, it’s a valid comparison. a 17 year old girl marries a 112 year old man, a 26 year old girl married an 89 year old man but the latter is OK because it wasn’t done in the name of religion.
 
No, neither is okay, but the two are not comparable because they are comparing two vastly different societies with different conceptions of where law comes from and what it is supposed to do.
 
No, neither is okay, but the two are not comparable because they are comparing two vastly different societies with different conceptions of where law comes from and what it is supposed to do.
At least the 26 year old is a “grown” woman and should understand what she is doing.
 
The age of consent varies by state, doesn’t it? I think there are at least a few states in the USA where this marriage between the 112 year old and the 17 year old would be technically legal (but still gross as all get out).

That’s kind of my point, though: In the West, it is all about whether or not it is legal. I have to believe that especially in Somalia (since Islam is the only thing that is really held as above reproach there) if this man were doing something against Islam by marrying this girl, it would not have been allowed. Heck, even if it weren’t in Somalia, for Muslims everywhere it’s still a matter of what is “permissable” in religion, since their religion is the basis of their law.
 
The age of consent varies by state, doesn’t it? I think there are at least a few states in the USA where this marriage between the 112 year old and the 17 year old would be technically legal (but still gross as all get out).

That’s kind of my point, though: In the West, it is all about whether or not it is legal. I have to believe that especially in Somalia (since Islam is the only thing that is really held as above reproach there) if this man were doing something against Islam by marrying this girl, it would not have been allowed. Heck, even if it weren’t in Somalia, for Muslims everywhere it’s still a matter of what is “permissable” in religion, since their religion is the basis of their law.
I agree 100%. I am waiting for an old man in America to try to marry a very young girl and claim that Islam allows it so we should, too.

The Western ideas about age of consent, which lead us to legality, are based on an understanding of when that person is able to understand what they are entering into and are physically best equiped to handle it.
 
you say every odd thing is acceptable in most Muslim countries, and yet 26 year old Anna Nicole Smith married 89 year old Howard Marshal in your back yard, and this was acceptable by law at the very least so please spare us the theatrics about those disgusting odd Muslims.
Then it is also odd.But I wanted to say that all Muslim ladies are the victims of the conservative and abusive islamic society.I do not know where you from,but if you are from western country then I just can say there is a very big difference in Western and Eastern society.A feminist writer of my country DR. Humaun Azad said that Western women are also victim but they are abused by Human male,and Eastern women are the victim of Beast male.Unfortunately odd thing happen everywhere.unfortunately western women are victim too sometimes like Singer Rihanna also a victim of domestic violence by her domestic partner Christ brown correct?But be sure Eastern oppression is not like that.here in Eastern countries lots of men beat their wives like slave.Some people in rural villages beat their wives with bamboo stick,and when women raped by some rapist men then here often islamic leaders try to prove the rape victims as slut.Do you know why?because they(leaders) claim that the women didn’t wear Burka or veil so they seduced the man who raped her,so indeed the woman( victim) is slutty.here secular news papers are fighting against them but the result is same because religious leaders and the addiction of Islam is too strong here.here lots of men commit pre marital sex,even some of them go to brothel, but when they want to marry they want pure women who never even meet any men, and these society accept the culture as naturally.So here(in ultra conservative culture) philosophy is very clear, do intercourse with the women who want to do it because they are slut and there is no harm if you enjoy a slut,but when u need a life partner then just marry a pure woman,because purity is the real honor of a lady..How disgusting & sick manner that,if any woman wear western short dress they considered as are in the view point of the society,these ladies who just wear comfortable cloths they are called slut,here the sign of sophistication is covering system,Here oppression is natural.Shame on the society because they accept all odd thing naturally.the ultra conservative islamic society,here ladies are slave and some times males are also victim who support the freedom of women.So it is just foolish if anyone compare the rubbish Eastern culture with the culture of west.Western is much more better than estern culture because here women atleast treated as human being, not as animal,and atleast I can say,western culture is not islamic.And as far i know even secular culture is much more better(for women) than islam .I am an eastern man from Bangladesh.I know my country as well as other countries very well who share the same oppressive culture.So before defending islamic culture first ask your leaders to change your abusive culture and the abusive laws.It will be better.Just try to remember you may find some odd in west too, but in estern countries specially in muslim countries these all things consider as natural law.Here lamb religion of peace and tolerance is showing it’s inner side that is horrific.If western people specially Christian will see the inner side of islamic law that we see always,then they will realize the reality about the religion of tolerance and it’s culture.And soon western peoples are going to see it when Islam will be the largest religion in the west.Democracy,so called human right( that only for Muslims) and limitless charity will bite them as snake.And then they will realize the agony of the same poison,this poison are killing us( peoples who believe in freedom) every single day.
 
Then it is also odd.But I wanted to say that all Muslim ladies are the victims of the conservative and abusive islamic society.I do not know where you from,but if you are from western country then I just can say there is a very big difference in Western and Eastern society.A feminist writer of my country DR. Humaun Azad said that Western women are also victim but they are abused by Human male,and Eastern women are the victim of Beast male.Unfortunately odd thing happen everywhere.unfortunately western women are victim too sometimes like Singer Rihanna also a victim of domestic violence by her domestic partner Christ brown correct?But be sure Eastern oppression is not like that.here in Eastern countries lots of men beat their wives like slave.Some people in rural villages beat their wives with bamboo stick,and when women raped by some rapist men then here often islamic leaders try to prove the rape victims as slut.Do you know why?because they(leaders) claim that the women didn’t wear Burka or veil so they seduced the man who raped her,so indeed the woman( victim) is slutty.here secular news papers are fighting against them but the result is same because religious leaders and the addiction of Islam is too strong here.here lots of men commit pre marital sex,even some of them go to brothel, but when they want to marry they want pure women who never even meet any men, and these society accept the culture as naturally.So here(in ultra conservative culture) philosophy is very clear, do intercourse with the women who want to do it because they are slut and there is no harm if you enjoy a slut,but when u need a life partner then just marry a pure woman,because purity is the real honor of a lady..How disgusting & sick manner that,if any woman wear western short dress they considered as are in the view point of the society,these ladies who just wear comfortable cloths they are called slut,here the sign of sophistication is covering system,Here oppression is natural.Shame on the society because they accept all odd thing naturally.the ultra conservative islamic society,here ladies are slave and some times males are also victim who support the freedom of women.So it is just foolish if anyone compare the rubbish Eastern culture with the culture of west.Western is much more better than estern culture because here women atleast treated as human being, not as animal,and atleast I can say,western culture is not islamic.And as far i know even secular culture is much more better(for women) than islam .I am an eastern man from Bangladesh.I know my country as well as other countries very well who share the same oppressive culture.So before defending islamic culture first ask your leaders to change your abusive culture and the abusive laws.It will be better.Just try to remember you may find some odd in west too, but in estern countries specially in muslim countries these all things consider as natural law.Here lamb religion of peace and tolerance is showing it’s inner side that is horrific.If western people specially Christian will see the inner side of islamic law that we see always,then they will realize the reality about the religion of tolerance and it’s culture.And soon western peoples are going to see it when Islam will be the largest religion in the west.Democracy,so called human right( that only for Muslims) and limitless charity will bite them as snake.And then they will realize the agony of the same poison,this poison are killing us( peoples who believe in freedom) every single day.
And how can people forget the 101 lash treatment of islamic law?Almost all country who follow Sharia law punish woman with 101 lash,Indeed it is not odd,but very natural very honorable for women because it make them pure?:rolleyes:
 
Some correction of my previous post
Then it is also odd.But I wanted to say that all Muslim ladies are the victims of the conservative and abusive islamic society.I do not know where you from,but if you are from western country then I just can say there is a very big difference in Western and Eastern society.A feminist writer of my country DR. Humaun Azad said that Western women are also victim but they are abused by Human male,and Eastern women are the victim of Beast male.Unfortunately odd thing happen everywhere.unfortunately western women are victim too sometimes like Singer Rihanna also a victim of domestic violence by her domestic partner Christ brown correct?But be sure Eastern oppression is not like that.here in Eastern countries lots of men beat their wives like slave.Some people in rural villages beat their wives with bamboo stick,and when women raped by some rapist men then here often islamic leaders try to prove the rape victims as slut.Do you know why?because they(leaders) claim that the women didn’t wear Burka or veil so they seduced the man who raped her,so indeed the woman( victim) is slutty.here secular news papers are fighting against them but the result is same because religious leaders and the addiction of Islam is too strong here.here lots of men commit pre marital sex,even some of them go to brothel, but when they want to marry they want pure women who never even meet any men, and these society accept the culture as naturally.So here(in ultra conservative culture) philosophy is very clear, do intercourse with the women who want to do it because they are slut and there is no harm if you enjoy a slut,but when u need a life partner then just marry a pure woman,because purity(covering is also consider as the sign of purity) is the real honor of a lady..How disgusting & sick manner that,if any woman wear western short dress they considered as nasty women in the view point of the society,these ladies who just wear comfortable cloths they are called slut,here the sign of sophistication is covering system,Here oppression is natural.Shame on the society because they accept all odd thing naturally,this ultra conservative islamic society,here ladies are slave,Men are their Lord, and some times some males are also victim who support the freedom of women.So it is just foolish if anyone compare the rubbish Eastern culture with the culture of west.Western culture is much more better than eastern culture because here in west atleast women are treated as human being, not as animal,western culture is secular , not islamic.And as far i know even secular culture is much more better(for women) than islam and it is proven already.I am an eastern man from Bangladesh( and Bangladesh is much more soft than many other Muslim countries,but still women are victim in every case even in this moderate Muslim atmosphere,) ).I know my country as well as other countries very well who share the same oppressive culture.So before defending islamic culture first ask your leaders to change your abusive culture and the abusive laws.It will be better.Just try to remember you may find some odd in west too, but in eastern countries specially in muslim countries these all things consider as natural law.Here lamb religion of peace and tolerance is showing it’s inner side that is horrific.If western people specially Christian will see the inner side of islamic law that we see always,then they will realize the reality about the religion of tolerance and it’s culture.And soon western peoples are going to see it when Islam will be the largest religion in the west.Democracy,so called human right( that only for Muslims) and limitless charity will bite them as snake.And then they will realize the agony of the same poison,this poison are killing us( peoples who believe in freedom) every single day.
 
I dont think this man is following muhammad, the girls is waaaaayyyyyyy to old for muhammad 🙂
Ha ha yes Dolphy you are correct,you see when Muhammed died, that time his youngest wife Ayesha was only 17 years old?Even she was not an adult woman!Poor ayesha,she passed rest of her life as a widow and didn’t marry another man,because Muhammed’s wives are considered as the mother of muslims so they (Muhammed’s wives) were forbidden for all peoples.
 
you say every odd thing is acceptable in most Muslim countries, and yet 26 year old Anna Nicole Smith married 89 year old Howard Marshal in your back yard, and this was acceptable by law at the very least so please spare us the theatrics about those disgusting odd Muslims.
First of all, MorningS is not from the ‘west’.
Secondly, Anna Nicole was a gold digger who latched her hooks into Howard Marshal, he felt flattered at age 89, he was getting this attention from this blonde, she obviously duped him and married him for his MONEY, a big difference to union with this old muslim man and a 17 year old girl.
 
First of all, MorningS is not from the ‘west’.
Secondly, Anna Nicole was a gold digger who latched her hooks into Howard Marshal, he felt flattered at age 89, he was getting this attention from this blonde, she obviously duped him and married him for his MONEY, a big difference to union with this old muslim man and a 17 year old girl.
The old man knew good and well what Anna was up to. Look at how he smiled in those pics!!

If we can say that Anna married Marshal for money, why did this old coot marry that little girl? And vice-versa
 
The old man knew good and well what Anna was up to. Look at how he smiled in those pics!!

If we can say that Anna married Marshal for money, why did this old coot marry that little girl? And vice-versa
most likely this girl was ‘given’ to this man for marriage.
 
Sam_777,
I have to ask you, what about the girl? What could possibly be in it for her? Is there anywhere in this worldview and spiritual view that puts any importance on her needs? He can’t live much longer; what will happen to her when she is a widow? Who will take care of her? In some Muslim communities, widows are left to beg. Is this one of them?If he is capable of having sexual relations, why would she want to have sex with a 112 year old man? You describe yourself as Christian spiritually and Muslim in the flesh, if I remember correctly. Do you find this disregard for the girl’s short-term and long-term well-being compatible with Christian belief?
muslim widows usually remarry after a year or so since islam says its the best,so i guess she will be a very young pretty widow(and widows are usually free to marry with whatever guy they want) so she will find a husband she has chosen herself
 
Thank you Muhammed for your sunnah, even that 112 old man is taking you as an example, what an honour behaviour and great values Islam has to offer for the humanity…:dts:

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Sorry to cut the picture to save space. I just hope that it was not the way for the old man to commit gradual suicide. I hope his heart is strong enough during the intercourse.
 
I seriously doubt that man is 112 years old. The oldest verified man ever to live was 115, and all those recorded to have came near that age are from very developed countries like the USA, Canada and Japan. Somalia on the other hand you’re lucky if you get past 50, it’s probably the most backward country on Earth; so backward in fact that anyone there can claim to be 112 years old as there’s no way to verify people’s ages. And anyway he looks about 60.
 
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