12 latin chants every Catholic should know

[Iohannes]

Here is a good website on Latin chants:
198.62.75.1/www2/cantgreg/cantos_selec_eng.html

 

[Patchunky]

Chatter163:

Stop the nonsense. You know that the frame of reference in this particular thread is the Latin Church. You know that in this thread we are speaking about the Latin Church. You know that references in this thread to knowing certain Latin chants pertains to the Latin Church.

But it DOES NOT SAY LATIN CHURCH… it says CATHOLIC and NOT ALL CATHOLICS ARE LATINS…DUH!!!

 

[Tonks40]

Patchunky:

But it DOES NOT SAY LATIN CHURCH… it says CATHOLIC and NOT ALL CATHOLICS ARE LATINS…DUH!!!

Ok, maybe the OP should’ve said “12 Latin Chants Every Roman Catholic Should Know.”

'Nuf said.

 

[Confiteor]

Tonks40:

Ok, maybe the OP should’ve said “12 Latin Chants Every Roman Catholic Should Know.”

'Nuf said.

He or she is only quoting the title of the article which did not qualify “Roman.” It IS a good article; the site with the chant excerpts is helpful too. If people trying to post something informative get picked apart for doing so, they won’t want to post here anymore. If you’re not interested in Latin or chant, so be it…(I’d like to hear the Byzantine style vocals/chant as well since so many have said the Divine Liturgy is such a wonderful and reverent way to worship.)

 

[Patchunky]

netmil(name removed by moderator):

Why are they not part of your heritage?
Are you blocking out the years between the Greek, Aramaic and Slavonic and the modern music?

My girls do Polish Folk dance. A couple dances they do were developed just before WWI.
Is your heritage only ancient?

The Latin hymns were NEVER a part of my heritage.

AMOF, many of the things in heritage pre-date Christianity by several thousand years and I still practice them with their modern Christian meanings.

 

[mgy100]

Patchunky,
Pysanky.

 

[YinYangMom]

ByzCath:

The “admonitions” as you put it, were intended to teach something to people who seem to not understand this.

Yeah, and while the teaching is appreciated…do you have to do it in every thread regardless of the topic, regardless of the intent of the original poster?

I find many of your posts most informative and educational, particularly in those threads which are addressed specifically to matters of distinction between the eastern and western church…

but c’mon, if I were to start a thread about traditional western foods within the church are you going to use that thread as well to teach about the papal distinctions between the latin and eastern rites and to go on about the history of the catholic church?

There is a time and place for all things…
while the original poster of this thread could have (and perhaps should have, knowing there are eastern rite catholics active on these boards) titled the thread “12 latin chants every** Roman** Catholic should know”…she/he didn’t.

Still, you, I know, are wise and learned enough to get the gist of the message and could easily and charitably have overlooked the oversight and moved onto another thread more suited to your interests without taking issue about whether or not the OP intended even Eastern rite Catholics should know Latin rite music (or, pardon me again, “chants” since “music” may or may not include ‘voice’ as an instrument depending upon which school of thought one follows).

Can’t we all just get along in the simple threads and save the real debating for the meatier ones?

 

[wisdom_3_5]

Confiteor:

He or she is only quoting the title of the article which did not qualify “Roman.” It IS a good article; the site with the chant excerpts is helpful too. If people trying to post something informative get picked apart for doing so, they won’t want to post here anymore. If you’re not interested in Latin or chant, so be it…(I’d like to hear the Byzantine style vocals/chant as well since so many have said the Divine Liturgy is such a wonderful and reverent way to worship.)

I was only quoting the title of the article. I didn’t mean to offend or exclude anyone. I would be happy to learn greek chants too, please post links.

This thread is exciting for me . . . usually when I post a new thread it falls off the face of the web .

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

YinYangMom:

Yeah, and while the teaching is appreciated…do you have to do it in every thread regardless of the topic, regardless of the intent of the original poster?

Every thread? So now I do this in every thread?

I find many of your posts most informative and educational, particularly in those threads which are addressed specifically to matters of distinction between the eastern and western church…

but c’mon, if I were to start a thread about traditional western foods within the church are you going to use that thread as well to teach about the papal distinctions between the latin and eastern rites and to go on about the history of the catholic church?

I did not jump in until Chatter163 responded to Patchunky’s question of “Why?” with the following.

Chatter163:

Because the Holy Fathers have said that we should, including Blessed John XXIII (Veterim Sapientiae); the Second Vatican Council’s Constitution on the Liturgy; Paul VI (*Jubilate Deo, *1974); John Paul II (Inaestimabile Donum, 1980; Redemptionis Sacramentum, 2004, and many in between), and continuing through the present pontiff.

This changed it from something western to something that this poster thinks every Catholic should do.

Also netmil(name removed by moderator) said the following,
netmil(name removed by moderator):

Why are they not part of your heritage?
Are you blocking out the years between the Greek, Aramaic and Slavonic and the modern music?

There by saying that this is something of our “heritage” which it is clearly not.

Sorry but when I posted my “admonition” becuase it appeared to be required.

There is a time and place for all things…
while the original poster of this thread could have (and perhaps should have, knowing there are eastern rite catholics active on these boards) titled the thread “12 latin chants every** Roman** Catholic should know”…she/he didn’t.

I did not speak up becuase of the OP, I did so because of the two above.

Maybe you, and others, need to go back and read the whole thread again and see where, when, and how I responded.

Still, you, I know, are wise and learned enough to get the gist of the message and could easily and charitably have overlooked the oversight and moved onto another thread more suited to your interests without taking issue about whether or not the OP intended even Eastern rite Catholics should know Latin rite music (or, pardon me again, “chants” since “music” may or may not include ‘voice’ as an instrument depending upon which school of thought one follows).

Again, I had nothing against what the OP posted, it was comments made by others to Patchunky that made me respond.

I will say this though, when ever someone posts and says “Catholic” when they should say “Roman” or “Latin Catholic” I will speak up becuase Catholic do not equal Roman Catholic in all cases.

I will also speak up when people point to something the Holy Father says as if it is universal in nature when it is not, such as when he says everyone should learn to pray in Latin.

If others have issues with this then I suggest they learn how to use the ignore list. I know this might seem harsh but I am growing tired of people complaining when I respond to others who make such claims as have been made here by the two posters who I have quoted in this reply.

 

[Psalm45_9]

wisdom 3:5:

I read this today:

catholicexchange.com/vm/index.asp?vm_id=2&art_id=29492

Anyone know where I can get the music to these or a download? I know some of them, but would like to know all.

I’m surprised they don’t have the four sequences that are still part of the liturgy in there.

 

[Chatter163]

Maybe you, and others, need to go back and read the whole thread again and see where, when, and how I responded.

[edited]

If others have issues with this then I suggest they learn how to use the ignore list. I know this might seem harsh but I am growing tired of people complaining when I respond to others who make such claims as have been made here by the two posters who I have quoted in this reply.

These are classic responses made by someone who is either pompous or disruptive. Such posters bend over backwards to prove that they were only responding to others, etc., etc., etc. Naturally, they are never themselves at fault, and the blame is only to be placed on others, blah, blah, blah. They usually are rather long-winded and homiletic in their self-defense, quoting others at length.

All that is being pointed out is that it appears that you are coming in here with a bit of an “Eastern chip” on your shoulder, too determined at every juncture to point out and admonish (yes, that is the word) others that not everything in the Latin Church is normative for the Eastern Churches. We all understand this. But for better or worse, the vast majority of posters here (or on any Catholic board in this country) are Latin Rite Catholics (Roman Catholics, as some prefer) and the discussion reflects this. When I cite papal documents that promote the liturgical use and study of Latin, I do not need to be reminded that the Eastern tradition is not the same in this regard, or challenged to provide evidence that it was. I am well aware of that, and probably was before you were born. My point, and those of others, were made about the Western Church, and you are well aware of that.

So, in the name of charity and civility, kindly refrain from making little points that serve no purpose other than to remind us of your Eastern status. We are aware of this and we respect it, but that respect may ebb if it the point is regularly rubbed in our faces, which is what has been done. And if you are indeed contemplating a future in a Carmelite setting, now would be a good time to practice the virtues that will be required in that setting. I mean nothing critical; I am simply explaining why the responses that have been made as they have. Please take them to heart.

 

[VociMike]

wisdom 3:5:

I read this today:

catholicexchange.com/vm/index.asp?vm_id=2&art_id=29492

Anyone know where I can get the music to these or a download? I know some of them, but would like to know all.

The booklet Jubilate Deo will have most if not all of them:

ceciliaschola.org/notes/jubilatedeo.html

 

[Patchunky]

Chatter163:

My point, and those of others, were made about the Western Church, and you are well aware of that.
QUOTE]

So, when you make a point about the Western Church, **MAKE SURE **you reference the WESTERN CHURCH and NOT the Catholic church as has been done in the past…:banghead:

 

[netmilsmom]

Patchunky:

But it DOES NOT SAY LATIN CHURCH… it says CATHOLIC and NOT ALL CATHOLICS ARE LATINS…DUH!!!

I am so sorry. I’m late back to this thread.
I questioned your “why”.
I didn’t realize that you are of an Eastern rite.
I’m reading those Latin Rite that would like to discount this style of music on another thread. I have even been slammed for my children singing in other languages so I was defensive.
I was mistaken and I apologize.

Perhaps the OP could change the title?

 

[netmilsmom]

ByzCath:

Also netmil(name removed by moderator) said the following,

I apologize. Please read post 34. My mistake.

 

[Topher]

ByzCath:

Hmmm, Latin has never been a part of the Byzantine tradition so I do not really understand what you are trying to get at here.

Patchunky is 100% correct in saying that Latin is not part of our Byzantine heritage.

Now as an individual devotion I see nothing wrong with it but it is wrong to tell everyone that they should be doing it. Just as it is wrong to tell everyone that they should pray the rosary.

I agree with you about the latin because it is a tradition of the west and not of the east. However I would have to disagree with you about the rosary. At Fatima, Our Lady herself asked everyone to pray the rosary, not just latin Catholics. So we should all pray it.

 

[Topher]

Patchunky:

But it DOES NOT SAY LATIN CHURCH… it says CATHOLIC and NOT ALL CATHOLICS ARE LATINS…DUH!!!

But you must understand this in context. The late Holy Father and the current Holy Father have always encouraged the eastern Catholic Chruches to maintian their own Eastern traditions and not become “Latinized”. That being said, it would be a huge contradiction to for them to try and force into using latin. That is why I do not believe that these documents are addressed to the Eastern Catholic Churches.

 

[Chatter163]

So, when you make a point about the Western Church, **MAKE SURE **you reference the WESTERN CHURCH and NOT the Catholic church as has been done in the past…:banghead:

Sorry, but that is not how it will likely work. Sheer strength of numbers in this country and on this board will make it work the other way. When most posters in this forum say, “Catholic Church,” they will mean the Latin Rite Church. On the less frequent occasions when they wish to refer or otherwise include the Eastern Churches, they will specifically say so. The number of RCs here lends itself to that use; mature people recognize this and do not attempt to split semantical hairs. If we were in a Byzantine forum, I would expect the reverse to be true.

 

[lyoncoeur]

My goodness!, Would you all {you know who you are!} start behaving like good Christians, be more charitable toward the OP, stop the unnecessary posturing and get back on topic.

The OP is just interested in Music…they even came back and said that they would be interested in the Musical traditions of the various rites of the Church… they are NOT trying to make any statement or suggestion that one rite or tradition is better than another.

“Listen” with your hearts people, for crying out loud! I was initially quite excited about this thread…hoping that I could find some sources to some good sacred music…Chant, polyphony, Eastern, Roman, Latin or English…but some rather self-righteous clowns in here ruined it with the petty bickering that was TOTALLY off topic…very sad.

 

[dljl]

No kidding Lion heart! We want to encourage discussion, new members won’t want to participate if they feel like their seemingly innocent question is going to get flamed.