well technically women are supposed to be quiet, modest, feminine, docile, keepers at home, and nurturing(1 timothy 2:12, Titus 2:5). I think he found it odd that women would be exuding such unfeminine traits. But that is what happens when women ignore the roles God gave them. They become manlike and vicious instead of humble and quiet.
Women ignore the roles God gave them? And you base these roles on two pieces of Scripture? And men are vicious, and women should be humble and
quiet?
No, that is not right. Joan of Arc was not quiet and she was canonized as a saint by the Church. She wore men’s clothing and she was definitely not a “keeper at home.”
her suicide doesn’t negate the fact that she did do something immoral. She was a victim of western societies immoral culture. But she did commit it herself and thus she is culpable for sending dirty pictures of herself. She suffered the issues that an immoral action can bring upon oneself and the shame that it brings. I hope she did not die in mortal sin and was repentant of it though.
“Dirty pictures”? What I read was that she sent
one picture, not
many. And do you honestly believed that her immoral act of sending one picture of her breasts to her boyfriend, most likely expected to be private, led to appropriately vicious bullying? Are you saying she deserved to be bullied like she was? Do you think she deserved to have that picture sent all over the place? Do you think she deserved to be laughed at and mocked by numerous people who had obtained this picture? Was she a whore? That is one thing she was called; also skank, and slut. She was
afraid she was going to be physically attacked. She
was physically attacked!! This was very serious. Also, please remember that even after her death the nasty comments continued.
Your hoping that she did not die in mortal sin is commendable. I wish the same for everyone. But I don’t think you understand that a person, especially a girl at that awkward age when societal pressures are so strong and being laughed at is so horrible that it can lead one to take one’s own life. I’ve been there. My first attempt was when I was ten years old. At thirteen I tried again because I had hurt and angered a friend who never spoke to me again.
this is society reaping what it has sown by ignoring the traits and importance of modesty(both in actions and clothing) for women…The young women see the immodest traits of this culture, like Britney Spears, and want to emulate it. Such is contrary to christian modesty and humility.
“…for women.” Why did you write that phrase? Is it because you don’t think men can be immodest? I have seen a man working on his car in a mall parking lot, wearing shorts and a certain part of his anatomy hanging out. I could give more examples but I would just like to say that it’s not just women and I don’t know if that was a Freudian slip there but I do question why you put that phrase in your post. And with all due respect, I think that you’re taking this modesty issue in clothing way overboard and I have seen posters doing this in other threads, too (I don’t mean you posted in any of the other threads but I am seeing several threads on modesty in dress). I don’t think this child’s dress was described in the article. You don’t know how she dressed and neither do I. For all we know she could have been wearing a burqa and took it off or moved it so that the picture could be taken.
The picture she sent to her boyfriend was an indiscretion, the type of which is so common in children of her age. Didn’t you ever do something at that age that you really don’t even want to think about and would never admit to doing except to a really close friend? The taking of her own life was probably an act of absolute desperation by a child who literally could not stand the thought of going through even one more day of such misery. We don’t know if she committed a mortal sin by taking her life but if she did not give her full consent she did not commit a mortal sin. When one is so desperate one cannot give full consent.
What I find very sad is that she was bullied and that she felt like she couldn’t trust her parents or other adults even though she had signed that contract. She needed help and maybe she didn’t try hard enough to get it, but we don’t really know her situation. A 13 year-old girl wants so much to fit in. It’s a terribly awkward and sometimes dangerous stage.
We have to rely on the absolute love and forgiveness that God offers us. He knew what she would do as He is omniscient. We all know this. And He loves her even though she sent a picture of her breasts to her boyfriend and He loves her even though she took her own life.
And I sincerely hope that nobody else ever feels that utter desperation that results in committing suicide. It is an ugly, horrid, all-consuming desperation and the person who is feeling this much anguish and pain can’t understand that suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
God loves us all so much and His love is perfect. I am going to rely on His love and mercy and I will pray for all involved, not only in this case but wherever bullying occurs.
(I apologize for using the words that the bullies used. I put them in my post because I feel it is important to know what the girl was going through. If I offended anyone I am very sorry.)
Thanks for a chance to clarify!