13 Year Old Stoning victim 'begged for mercy'

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Muslim_Woman said:
I did not see any order from God in these verses to support this accusation : Mohammedanism actually condones and encourages Muslims to lie to non-Muslims.
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I thought you might say that, as you can see below…
Oscarthecat said:
Normally, when confronted with these passages, Muslims will emphasize only those parts which appear to forbid lies and prescribe punishments for lies, and completely ignore those parts of these passages which specifically command them to lie and promise forgiveness for lying.

Incidentally, responding only to those passages which suit their purpose is a form of kitman.
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Here it is, again…
3:28
Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them. But Allah cautions you (To remember) Himself; for the final goal is to Allah.
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In context, this passage first forbids muslims to make friends of non-believers, but then states that, if necessary to achieve some greater service to Allah, muslims may make false friendships with non-believers to convince the non-believers that they are friends, or have established a truce.

False friendships are based on false pretenses.
False pretenses are based on lies.

So, as you can see, 3:28 clearly teaches that Allah condones lies told by muslims to non-muslims. And since Muslims believe that the Quran is the word of Allah, then Muslims must believe that this is what Allah teaches.

Unless, of course, you’re claiming that, as a Muslim, you do not believe the Quran to be the word of Allah.
 
MugenOne said:
‘We will do what Allah has instructed us’. She said: ‘I’m not going, I’m not going. Don’t kill me, don’t kill me.’ “A few minutes later more than 50 men tried to stone her.”

Ain’t this sick?!

A young woman recently stoned to death in Somalia first pleaded for her life, a witness has told the BBC.

“Don’t kill me, don’t kill me,” she said, according to the man who wanted to remain anonymous. A few minutes later, more than 50 men threw stones.
Human rights group Amnesty International says the victim was a 13-year-old girl who had been raped.
Initial reports had said she was a 23-year-old woman who had confessed to adultery before a Sharia court.
Numerous eye-witnesses say she was forced into a hole, buried up to her neck then pelted with stones until she died in front of more than 1,000 people last week.
Meanwhile, Islamists in the capital, Mogadishu have carried out a public flogging.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7708169.stm
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Wow, thats…sick. I hope that execution is found for them.
 
Catholic_JIMMY said:
Prove this to us with a BIBLE quote.
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Ya know Catholic JIMMY, I would not have even seen what she posted had you not quoted her in your post. She is on my ignore list.

Good challenge 'ole bean 👍 You & I both know she can’t do it. She MIGHT be getting this from the kroan 🤓 maybe. It has been a long time since I read it. Since it is not the work of True God inspired writers though, we know it can’t be trusted.

Let’s see if she responds 🍿
 
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Dirk Skene: She is on my ignore list…Let’s see if she responds

U mean , I am not in your ignore list anymore or u will wait till someone quotes me ? 😛
Catholic_JIMMY said:
Prove this to us with a BIBLE quote.
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ok , let me do a google search 🙂

I did & found this :

What Does the Bible Say About: Homosexuality, Adultery & Other Sexual Sins

If a priest’s daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she disgraces her father;** she must be burned in the fire**

:eek: Lev. 21 10

bibleplus.org/homosexuality/homo_frame.htm

btw , it’s from a Christian site .

What The Bible Says

Capital Punishment

…Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” …There is a question of the authorship and date of the story.

“This **passage is not found in any of the important early Greek textual witnesses of Eastern provenance **(e.g., in neither Bodmer papyrus); nor is it found in OS [Old Syriac] or the Coptic. . . . It is only from ca. 900 that it begins to appear in the standard Greek text.” Clearly, “it was a later insertion” (Brown, p. 335).

It is for this reason that some translations (e.g., the first edition of the RSV) place it as a footnote rather than as part of the text-proper. As an insertion, it may have been attracted to this particular location by verse 15, “You judge according to the flesh, I judge no one.” However, a few ancient witnesses place it after 7:36 or at the end of the Gospel (as does NEB), and some of them after Luke 21:38 (perhaps because of similar entrapment stories in chapter 20). On the other hand, the story does occur in some Old Latin manuscripts, was known to Augustine, and was included in Jerome’s Vulgate. Nonetheless, “In general the style is not Johannine either in vocabulary or grammar” (Brown, p. 336).

geocities.com/a_christian_conservative/john8.html
 
If you read the whole story, you will see that Jesus is replying to the people who want to stone an adultress. After no one picks up a stone, Jesus tells the adultress…well, just read the text:😃

“And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto Him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto Him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the Law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest Thou?”

“This they said, tempting Him, that they might have to accuse Him.”

“But Jesus stooped down, and with His finger wrote on the ground, as though He heard them not. So when they continued asking Him, He lifted up Himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again He stooped down, and wrote on the ground.”

“And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.”

“When Jesus had lifted up Himself, and saw none but the woman, He said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? Hath no man condemned thee?”

“She said, No man, Lord.”

“And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.” (John 8:2-11 KJV)
 
Dear Oscarthecat,
Oscarthecat said:
I thought you might say that, as you can see below…

Here it is, again…

In context, this passage first forbids muslims to make friends of non-believers, but then states that, if necessary to achieve some greater service to Allah, muslims may make false friendships with non-believers to convince the non-believers that they are friends, or have established a truce.

False friendships are based on false pretenses.
False pretenses are based on lies.

So, as you can see, 3:28 clearly teaches that Allah condones lies told by muslims to non-muslims. And since Muslims believe that the Quran is the word of Allah, then Muslims must believe that this is what Allah teaches.

Unless, of course, you’re claiming that, as a Muslim, you do not believe the Quran to be the word of Allah.
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Sorry. I don’t see anything in the quote that even approximates your interpretation. What I see is that if a Muslim makes friends with a non-believer, he/she should do so cautiously. In other words, the text is simply stating that Muslims should choose their non-believer friends WISELY.

Blessings,
Marduk
 
So, muslims are allowed to murder people for their sins.
Even when they repent, you still stone them, committing murder.

I guess muslims think the bible verse im about to quote is corrupt:

Ex 20:13 You shall not kill

This means, no human must NOT kill another human for ANY reason.
But yet, muslims think they are doing God’s duty by stoning fellow humans to death. :rolleyes:

When does the commandment come into effect in islam? never it seems…

Again, this is one of the many many reasons im so glad to be Catholic! We follow Gods true law. 😉
 
narrowpath said:
“And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto Him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto Him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.** Now Moses in the Law commanded us, that such should be stoned**: but what sayest Thou?”
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Was Moses wrong ?? didn’t he get that law from God (Jesus)
 
I posted a prayer request for the repose of this girl’s soul 2-3 weeks ago when the story was first published. If you are so inclined, maybe say a prayer for her and for her grieving family, and of course the repentance of her murders.
 
Muslim_Woman said:
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Salaam/peace

Dirk Skene: She is on my ignore list…Let’s see if she responds

U mean , I am not in your ignore list anymore or u will wait till someone quotes me ? 😛

ok , let me do a google search 🙂

I did & found this :

What Does the Bible Say about: Homosexuality, Adultery & Other Sexual Sins

If a priest’s daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she disgraces her father;** she must be burned in the fire**

:eek: Lev. 21 10

bibleplus.org/homosexuality/homo_frame.htm

btw , it’s from a Christian site .

What The Bible Says

Capital Punishment

…Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” …There is a question of the authorship and date of the story.

“This **passage is not found in any of the important early Greek textual witnesses of Eastern provenance **(e.g., in neither Bodmer papyrus); nor is it found in OS [Old Syriac] or the Coptic. . . . It is only from ca. 900 that it begins to appear in the standard Greek text.” Clearly, “it was a later insertion” (Brown, p. 335).

It is for this reason that some translations (e.g., the first edition of the RSV) place it as a footnote rather than as part of the text-proper. As an insertion, it may have been attracted to this particular location by verse 15, “You judge according to the flesh, I judge no one.” However, a few ancient witnesses place it after 7:36 or at the end of the Gospel (as does NEB), and some of them after Luke 21:38 (perhaps because of similar entrapment stories in chapter 20). On the other hand, the story does occur in some Old Latin manuscripts, was known to Augustine, and was included in Jerome’s Vulgate. Nonetheless, “In general the style is not Johannine either in vocabulary or grammar” (Brown, p. 336).

geocities.com/a_christian_conservative/john8.html
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A reference to Leviticus does not show what Christ believed regarding punishment of sinners. On the other hand the story of the sinful woman in John does. Whether Raymond Brown or anyone does not consider it to be an authentic story is irrelevant. The fact is that the story goes back to the first century whether it was originally in the Gospel of John or not. It is including in the writings of Papias and in some other early first or second century Christian texts. That said, the fact that it has been included in the canon by all apostolic Churches is proof that it is authentic.

His treatment of the sinful woman in Luke 7 is also another example of how He treated the sinful women. In this passage Christ is condemned by the Pharisees because a woman who is a sinner anoints is feet with oil and wipes them with her hair. Her sins are forgiven because she loved much. The Pharisee on the other hand who was not guilty of these sins was the one who was judged more by Christ here because He did not love.

Or check out the story of the Pharisee and the tax collector in the temple in Luke18. The Pharisee although he was not guilty of great sins was rejected by Christ whereas the tax collector was justified.

The fact is that Christ treated sinners with compassion. You would not be able to find a statement from Christ where He condemns sinners. Who He does condemn are the Pharisees.
 
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jimmy said:
A reference to Leviticus does not show what Christ believed regarding punishment of sinners.
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why ? Christians believe Jesus (p) was God always ; so why deny the laws found in Bible ?
 
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mardukm said:
Dear Oscarthecat,

Sorry. I don’t see anything in the quote that even approximates your interpretation.
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oh , this kind of post is so rare to read here . Thanks 🙂
 
swariffin said:
Jesus said that you can cast the first stone if you committed no sin.
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Because he was put in a situation where if he said no , he would disobey Moses’s laws and If he said yes, he would be inconsistent with his message of love and forgiveness,
 
The “religion of peace” marches on…

Please pray for the destruction of Mohammedanism.
 
Nicolas said:
Because he was put in a situation where if he said no , he would disobey Moses’s laws and If he said yes, he would be inconsistent with his message of love and forgiveness,
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Not exactly If he had said no, there was the Moses issue. If he had said yes, he would be guilty of treason according to Roman Law. That was what they wanted to accuse him of.

Alright folks, let me try to explain it all to you. The Bible begins in a time where society did not function in a way that most of us would accept as civil. It was a life for an eye and a family for a life. You can see this in the Genesis stories. Entire tribes were killed off in retribution or in war. As God wanted his people to be close to him, he knew that unlimited vengence was not the way. He taught them a way that was more moderate. Eye for an Eye, tooth for a tooth. However, if you read all of the law, you see that most of it is about property and forgiveness. In the specific case of adultry, the couple was supposed to be caught in the act itself. But, let us leave that alone for now.

As time went by, the Jews began to see these laws more like the baseline for how juris prudence should be. It was no longer “eye for an eye” per se, but it was now about making the victem whole again if possible, and if not protecting society from the cruel. Even the law said that, just not in so many words. Jesus was born into a society that was able to comprehend “turn the other cheek” where the age of Abraham would not have been able to.

“Vengence is Mine Says the Lord.” We cannot be looking for vengence or revenge. All we can ask from the law is that we be made whole if possible and if not, that we be protected. Stoning an adultress does not make anyone whole, nor does it protect anyone. All that it does is destroy one item that one man possesses that another stole. It reduces a woman to a piece of property.
 
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swariffin said:
Jesus said that you can cast the first stone if you committed no sin.
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What The Bible Says

Capital Punishment

…Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” …There is a question of the authorship and date of the story.

“This passage is not found in any of the important early Greek textual witnesses of Eastern provenance (e.g., in neither Bodmer papyrus); nor is it found in OS [Old Syriac] or the Coptic. .

geocities.com/a_christian…ive/john8.html
 
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