184 new allegations of historic abuse by Catholic clergy raised in the last year
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Merrick
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I don’t know, this kind of stuff is embarrassing and sad.
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pianistclare
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Pray. Prayer is the only way. Truth brings truth. The people of Ireland have to stop giving lip service to their faith. The devout need to pray MORE. The spiritually vain need to repent. The people of faith have to rise up and take the side of GOD.
Trust God. He will prevail.
Trust God. He will prevail.
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Rosebud77
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This is not about the people. I am struggling to understand how these men, with all their years in seminary, their calling, can have behaved like this. I talk with many folk through my market and other small work, and the dichotomy is dazing. The divide between the families of those who suffered abuse and those who were relatively safe as they lived at home… the grannies who cleaned the churches, warning their grandkids not to use one particular side of the confessional " as he can get at you there.". What got into these men? Unless and until we have a pure priesthood how can anything change? I read the reports, and sometimes find that some priest or order I have trusted has been heavily involved in active abuse. It was a part of everyday life to be coped with. When I meet new friends sometime they are bewildered by it all. The faithful ones stay faithful and as my landlord, a devout and sincere man who pays far more than lip service, says when he finally realises that there has been no exaggeration, no false accusations, " They have let us down," It does not affect HIS faith, And i know many like that who have accepted the corruption and kept faith regardless as their kid have not been harmed. But those who have? The bitterness and anger. The hatred of anything to do with the church or religion. Of Jesus. Sorry; my illness is in relapse and I am struggling not with my faith in Jesus, not with my life of prayer but with the Church here in its present manifestation. The losing of so many souls through the men who were called by God as priests.
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pianistclare
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The devil targets them.
And the people in their lives do not pray for them. They assume that they’re holy. They assume that they have a lock on God’s will. They are just a vulnerable to the prince of lies as you and I.
They assume that they don’t need anything.
The faithful assume too much. You can’t just say " oh we’re Catholic" and not put forth more effort than that. We’re all at fault. We permit injustices, cruelty, and misinformation to happen. We cover up. We look away. We give up. We roll over.
Satan desires the destruction of souls. He desires to take them away from Christ.
What better way than to destroy the church from within?
PRAYER. Pray for good vocations. Prayer for humility and perseverance.
Pray fro true repentance. Pray for victim’s healing.
Advocate persecution of the criminals.
Support the just.
there are tons of good holy and faithful priests out there in the world.
They get no press because of those who have fallen.
It’s OK to be angry. We should be. But we have to resolve that these crimes will never happen again. And we nee God more involved. Ask Him and He will respond.
Peace.
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Rosebud77
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Taking time out from the Church … I am very unwell so could not attend anyway and that is peace. My life is in some chaos in other ways so am abed a while. My knitting for others goes on and becomes its own prayer!. Preemie baby sets just now and prayer in every stitch…my calling has always been a solitary one so this is fine… Oh met a man in the supermarket last week; American who told me he is a retired priest. Looked too young and later learned, yep! In hiding…Ah well!
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weller2
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estesbob
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You are aware that this report covers a 50 year period ?
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Zeno11
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I know exactly how you feel. Growing up in 1960s Ireland, priests had such a privileged and honoured position in the community. My local priest used to take us camping and we used to hang out with him all the time. He was one of the very good guys, a truly holy and good man, but I can imagine how my family would have felt if their trust had been betrayed, as so many peoples trust was betrayed.
There is something seriously wrong with the church in it’s current manifestation. It’s all very well saying priests are only human and the devil attacks them,but so many! And honestly, such terrible sins, surely one that cries out to heaven for vengeance! And those priests who raped innocent children and bishops who covered up for them, they will also have to answer to God not just for those crimes, but for all the souls they have lost because of their evil. As an ex Catholic asked me, how could such a man celebrate the Eucharist? How could such a priest carry out anything more than a meaningless ritual? I think it was Pope Paul VI who said that Satan had infiltrated the Vatican. It seems he has been running rampant in the Irish Catholic church as well. I can’t help feeling that God is bringing the church in Ireland to its knees, because it needs to be purged and purified. I would far rather a smaller, holy and sincere church, because I don’t actually believe you can be a true follower of Christ and yet be a rapist of children. What happened to being a ‘new creation’? But also there are many thousands of Irish Catholics who ‘have a form of religion but deny it’s power’ - the church is a social institution for them, where you bring your kids for a baptism, First Communion etc but that’s as far as it goes. There is no living relationship with Christ.
For others, like my bemused elderly uncle, he trusts all to Almighty God and says that these abusers will answer before Him. All we can do is pray for the families of all those affected, but it would also help if our remaining clergy did something once and for all to remove these vipers from our midst. And the church and its bishops and priests need to ‘man up’ and start preaching the word of God. Or are they too afraid to do that in Ireland?******
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JimR-OCDS
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This isn’t necessarily sexual abuse, but physical, which could mean corporal punishment which was common in Catholic Schools.
The nuns where my wife went to Catholic School, would be in prison today for what some of them did.
One nun had a bread board made into a paddle, which she beat kids with who were sent to detention after school.
This was physical abuse.
Jim
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Rosebud77
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So? and yes fully aware… there is no excuse, oh and these are just the new recent revelations atop of the hundreds already revealed so your argument is wide of the mark … There is a more detallied anaysisis on Catholic Ireland that makes this clearer catholicireland.net/nbsccci-annual-report-published/ It takes courage to come forward… It gives hope of closure for victims and for the future. And folkare being careful now. My landlord asked me to drive his little ones to school one day when he was stuck. I had to say no and explain that because I do some church associated work I could not ever be alone with any children. He said he trusted me and i said that this is the new rule because of the abuse. No unrelated person…we have to cleave to the rules now
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Phemie
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Much of it is seen as abuse looked at through the 2015 lens. The corporal punishment that was inflicted at Catholic schools often differed little from what was inflicted at home.
We grew up hearing our parents say, “Don’t come home complaining that you got the strap at school, because you’ll get double at home.” That’s why my baby brother’s 3rd grade teacher got away with the physical punishment she inflicted daily. His offense? Being blind in one eye and unable to follow lines in his scribbler.
Every morning he was carried, literally kicking and screaming, to my aunt’s car for the drive to school. It wasn’t until he was in his late 20s that he revealed what had happened that year.
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estesbob
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In 1966 Father wright swatted me with yard stick. based on the criteria for this report I was physical abused and could have reported this 50 year old incident and people would have wagged their tongues about the church abusing children
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JimR-OCDS
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Just watched the movie, Philomena, which is the true story based on The Lost Child of Philomena Lee by journalist Martin Sixsmith.
Gave me a new perspective on abuse by the Catholic Church.
Jim
Gave me a new perspective on abuse by the Catholic Church.
Jim
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tweedlealice
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Salutations,
On you tube there is an interview with a priest at the time the church was making changes at the entrance to the seminary. I think his name was Father Murphy. He was teaching about sex, including homosexuality and it’s perversions. In my psych book in Nursing school, Homosexuality was an illness, a perversiom. I graduated in 1968. As Dr. LAURA said in her radio show, a meeting occured in and around 1970. A board of 10 psych doctors met and discussed homosexuality. The vote came back 7 for it being a normal sex life. Of course those 7 were Homosexuals and off we go.I heard a debate going on that if a child of any age can say YES to an adult who wishes to have sex with a child, that makes it consentual. So, they are trying to validate pediphilia. After Roe vs Wade, we said the next thing would be euthanasia. I guess, if you get mad at me and kill me, the rules will get lighter and lighter with mitigating circumstances. There was a movie I saw years ago, that made a game of hunting and someone drew a straw and was hunted and killed for sport.All legal in the movie. Good old movie,“SOLVENT GREEN” had us grossly overpopulated. Solution was culling and making us a food source of a green liquid nutritional drink. They sent a bulldozer down the very crowded street and scooped up living, walking people and dumped them in a garbage truck. I hope they killed them first.
On March 5th–2 days from now a VERY, LARGE ASTEROID IS COMING VERY CLOSE TO US. RUSSIA IS TALKING ABOUT SHOOTING AN ATOMIC BOMB AT IT. What will happen to the space station. Pray for them. It’s suppose to be miles away like the moon. Watch the sky on MARCH 5th
May God forgive us for our sins and when our time to die comes, please let us come home to heaven by your forgiveness and mercy.
I don’t think the priest who are guilty of hurting children or having people leave the church are directly being admitted.
Help us, OH Lord. Graciously hear us Oh Lord. Heal the broken hearted and direct their paths through you to a healthy life.
in Christ’s love.
Tweedlealice
On you tube there is an interview with a priest at the time the church was making changes at the entrance to the seminary. I think his name was Father Murphy. He was teaching about sex, including homosexuality and it’s perversions. In my psych book in Nursing school, Homosexuality was an illness, a perversiom. I graduated in 1968. As Dr. LAURA said in her radio show, a meeting occured in and around 1970. A board of 10 psych doctors met and discussed homosexuality. The vote came back 7 for it being a normal sex life. Of course those 7 were Homosexuals and off we go.I heard a debate going on that if a child of any age can say YES to an adult who wishes to have sex with a child, that makes it consentual. So, they are trying to validate pediphilia. After Roe vs Wade, we said the next thing would be euthanasia. I guess, if you get mad at me and kill me, the rules will get lighter and lighter with mitigating circumstances. There was a movie I saw years ago, that made a game of hunting and someone drew a straw and was hunted and killed for sport.All legal in the movie. Good old movie,“SOLVENT GREEN” had us grossly overpopulated. Solution was culling and making us a food source of a green liquid nutritional drink. They sent a bulldozer down the very crowded street and scooped up living, walking people and dumped them in a garbage truck. I hope they killed them first.
On March 5th–2 days from now a VERY, LARGE ASTEROID IS COMING VERY CLOSE TO US. RUSSIA IS TALKING ABOUT SHOOTING AN ATOMIC BOMB AT IT. What will happen to the space station. Pray for them. It’s suppose to be miles away like the moon. Watch the sky on MARCH 5th
May God forgive us for our sins and when our time to die comes, please let us come home to heaven by your forgiveness and mercy.
I don’t think the priest who are guilty of hurting children or having people leave the church are directly being admitted.
Help us, OH Lord. Graciously hear us Oh Lord. Heal the broken hearted and direct their paths through you to a healthy life.
in Christ’s love.
Tweedlealice
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abucs
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As a teacher at a secular school i am also aware of our failures.
lifesitenews.com/news/forgotten-study-abuse-in-school-100-times-worse-than-by-priests
www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf
I think as Catholics we have to really start to ask why for a period of 20 years starting from the 1960’s was there an upsurge in sexual deviancy (mostly with boys) in the church in clear disobedience to traditional Catholic dogma and morals.
lifesitenews.com/news/forgotten-study-abuse-in-school-100-times-worse-than-by-priests
www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf
I think as Catholics we have to really start to ask why for a period of 20 years starting from the 1960’s was there an upsurge in sexual deviancy (mostly with boys) in the church in clear disobedience to traditional Catholic dogma and morals.
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Phemie
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It goes back much further than that. In the mid 60s the kids in my school knew that our pastor was molesting altar servers, but the adults in our community either didn’t know or turned a blind eye because, well, he was a priest and a priest just was left alone. It turns out that this priest had first been accused in the late 30s, just a few years after his ordination, but the parents who went to the bishop of the day were castigated for daring to vilify a priest. I found that out when I heard an old man recounting the abuse he endured and what his parents encountered when they reported.
The same thing happened to the couple who did find out in our community and went to the same bishop who had confirmed me. Apparently that couple was verbally abused from the pulpit by the priest before he retired, shortly after they went to the bishop. I wasn’t present for that.
That diocese recently settled a lawsuit
cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/n-b-church-sex-assault-report-delivered-1.950880
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