1950 "The year of the assumption"

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What gives? still making up doctrines and dogma’s of the infallible sort, 1900 plus years after Christ?
I don’t get it, what’s next?
The assumption of Peter?
 
Can I ask what the question is?

I dont understand your statement at all what happened in the year 1950?
 
myfavoritmartin said:
What gives? still making up doctrines and dogma’s of the infallible sort, 1900 plus years after Christ?
I don’t get it, what’s next?
The assumption of Peter?
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You’re right, you don’t get it. The question is, are you trying to get it? You obviously have not read the encyclical or you wouldn’t be so snide in revealing that you know nothing of the reasoning or the history behind the dogma of the Assumption.
 
This should clear things up.

Martin, if there had been no tradition of belief in the Blessed Virgin Mary’s Assumption prior to 1950 when is was infallibly proclaimed (not made up) by Pope Pius XII, then it would be fair to accuse the Catholic Church of inventing doctrines out of thin air. As you can see from the link provided, however, this is not the case. The dogma has quite a long tradition of belief in the Church. But my guess is you’re not all that interested in being fair to the Church, as finding this information would have taken you a mere 30 seconds or so on Wikipedia or some other halfway reliable source.
 
VociMike said:
You’re right, you don’t get it. The question is, are you trying to get it? You obviously have not read the encyclical or you wouldn’t be so snide in revealing that you know nothing of the reasoning or the history behind the dogma of the Assumption.
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point #5 makes my case
5. Now God has willed that the Blessed Virgin Mary should be exempted from this general rule. She, by an entirely unique privilege, completely overcame sin by her Immaculate Conception, and as a result she was not subject to the law of remaining in the corruption of the grave, and she did not have to wait until the end of time for the redemption of her body.

If this were the case it should’ve been dogma form 1800+ years ago, this obviously is a man made tradition, and a mythical legend… unless you can prove otherwise?
 
Pope Pius XII issued an encyclical Defining the Dogma of the Assumption in 1950. The feast of the Assumption of Our Lady has been celebrated since the early days of the church, since before the year 500. The only thing Pope Pius XII did was define the dogma, he didn’t make up anything new.
 
myfavoritmartin said:
point #5 makes my case
5. Now God has willed that the Blessed Virgin Mary should be exempted from this general rule. She, by an entirely unique privilege, completely overcame sin by her Immaculate Conception, and as a result she was not subject to the law of remaining in the corruption of the grave, and she did not have to wait until the end of time for the redemption of her body.

If this were the case it should’ve been dogma form 1800+ years ago, this obviously is a man made tradition, and a mythical legend… unless you can prove otherwise?
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When is the magical cutoff date for pronouncing dogma? Give me your date and your proof that no dogma can be pronounced after that date.
 
CollegeKid said:
This should clear things up.

Martin, if there had been no tradition of belief in the Blessed Virgin Mary’s Assumption prior to 1950 when is was infallibly proclaimed (not made up) by Pope Pius XII, then it would be fair to accuse the Catholic Church of inventing doctrines out of thin air. As you can see from the link provided, however, this is not the case. The dogma has quite a long tradition of belief in the Church. But my guess is you’re not all that interested in being fair to the Church, as finding this information would have taken you a mere 30 seconds or so on Wikipedia or some other halfway reliable source.
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Are you denying that the maxim that tradition does not need to be grounded in scripture for it to be tradition? Or for that matter have a unanimous consent of the fathers…
Both did not apply in this case!
 
VociMike said:
When is the magical cutoff date for pronouncing dogma? Give me your date and your proof that no dogma can be pronounced after that date.
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3000a.d. right after the assumption of Peter is proclaimed.
 
James_Carson said:
Can I ask what the question is?

I dont understand your statement at all what happened in the year 1950?
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That’s when it was decided that Mary was carried to heaven, though we don’t know if she died or not (according to the catholic church) they know she assumed but not whether she died or not…
 
BeeSweet said:
The assumption of Peter? I’m guessing you mean 300 AD, not 3000. When do we celebrate the assumption of Peter?
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No, he’s just being sarcastic, since he cannot point to a particular date and say “beyond this date the Church cannot proclaim any dogma”. He has no argument so he resorts to sarcasm.
 
VociMike said:
You’re right, you don’t get it. The question is, are you trying to get it? You obviously have not read the encyclical or you wouldn’t be so snide in revealing that you know nothing of the reasoning or the history behind the dogma of the Assumption.
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thats because im only 14?
 
VociMike said:
No, he’s just being sarcastic, since he cannot point to a particular date and say “beyond this date the Church cannot proclaim any dogma”. He has no argument so he resorts to sarcasm.
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I personnally think the Orthodox and their 7 councels got it right!
 
VociMike said:
No, he’s just being sarcastic, since he cannot point to a particular date and say “beyond this date the Church cannot proclaim any dogma”. He has no argument so he resorts to sarcasm.
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thanks…😛 :confused: 😛
 
So what Dogma changed? Don’t recall any doctrine or dogma proclaiming she was not assumed in to Heaven that this replaced. As to your other question… Well us silly ole Catholic’s actually believe Jesus when he gave Peter the keys to his Church (The Catholic Church) and that authority to bind and loose thing. Since Pope Pius XII held the Chair of Peter, you do the math.
 
Stephen_C said:
So what Dogma changed? Don’t recall any doctrine or dogma proclaiming she was not assumed in to Heaven that this replaced. As to your other question… Well us silly ole Catholic’s actually believe Jesus when he gave Peter the keys to his Church (The Catholic Church) and that authority to bind and loose thing. Since Pope Pius XII held the Chair of Peter, you do the math.
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I am not a rocket scientist, the authority of the chair has so many missing parts to its equation that Will Hunting couldn’t even figure it out.:eek:
 
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