1962 Missal Versions

[TheExorcist]

Hi all!*
I’m probably going to be purchasing my first missal next week. I’m wondering, what the merits of the Baronius and Angelus versions are. Any advice you could give would be helpful!

Charles

 

[trickster]

Hi all!*
I’m probably going to be purchasing my first missal next week. I’m wondering, what the merits of the Baronius and Angelus versions are. Any advice you could give would be helpful!

Charles

Why a missal from 1962; a bit old wouldn’t you say? Why not the basic missals of today?

Bruce

 

[trickster]

Hi all!*
I’m probably going to be purchasing my first missal next week. I’m wondering, what the merits of the Baronius and Angelus versions are. Any advice you could give would be helpful!

Charles

Oh sorry, like is this missal for collecting purposes? As those old missals from the 60’s and prior to that are great keep-sakes for sure…but my preference is to let the 60’s remain in the 60’s get the new missals that reflects where the Holy Spirit has led the church in the past 40-50 years.

Bruce

 

[YoungTradCath]

Why a missal from 1962; a bit old wouldn’t you say? Why not the basic missals of today?

Bruce

Because there are two Forms of the Mass, the Extraordinary and the Ordinary. There are different handmissals for both. A 1962 handmissal is the one that reflects the Extraordinary Form of the Mass, because that year is the last time a new edition of the Extraordinary Form Missal was released.

Various publishing houses are printing and selling brand new “1962” handmissals, as in, newly printed ones. 1962 does not refer to the year they were printed, but refers to the year that the last edition of the Extraordinary Form Missal was released.

 

[trickster]

Because there are two Forms of the Mass, the Extraordinary and the Ordinary. There are different handmissals for both. A 1962 handmissal is the one that reflects the Extraordinary Form of the Mass, because that year is the last time a new edition of the Extraordinary Form Missal was released.

Various publishing houses are printing and selling brand new “1962” handmissals, as in, newly printed ones. 1962 does not refer to the year they were printed, but refers to the year that the last edition of the Extraordinary Form Missal was released.

Ok YoungTradCatho…that would make sense then, I didn’t even think about the EO Mass as it is not really a part of my Catholic experiential knowledge (since 1962 when I was 5 years old …

Just out of interest, is our church working on an updated version of the EO Missal? Thanks.

Bruce

 

[Credo_in_Deum]

Hi all!*
I’m probably going to be purchasing my first missal next week. I’m wondering, what the merits of the Baronius and Angelus versions are. Any advice you could give would be helpful!

Charles

Both are actually very good Missals. I have a Saint Andrews Daily Missal from St. Bonaventure Publications which I enjoy a lot; its a reprint of the 1945 version. Also there is the father Lasance version of the 1962 Missal.

I have had the Baronius, the Father Lasance, and the Saint Andrews and I like all of them. THe Baronius however will have to most up to date versions of the prayers we say during benediction and etc. The Baronius also has the Litany of the Precious Blood.

Why a missal from 1962; a bit old wouldn’t you say? Why not the basic missals of today?

Bruce

It would be difficult to attend the EF with a missal for the OF.

but my preference is to let the 60’s remain in the 60’s get the new missals that reflects where the Holy Spirit has led the church in the past 40-50 years.

Bruce

I will let the Pope answer this:

What earlier generations held as sacred, remains sacred and great for us too, and it cannot be all of a sudden entirely forbidden or even considered harmful. It behooves all of us to preserve the riches which have developed in the Church’s faith and prayer, and to give them their proper place." – Pope Benedict XVI

The Holy Spirit in no way called for us to forget the EF my friend.

 

[YoungTradCath]

OP: I would get the Baronius Press. Their volumes are absolutely the best quality that I have held in my hands, and the edition is completely up to date.

Ok YoungTradCatho…that would make sense then, I didn’t even think about the EO Mass as it is not really a part of my Catholic experiential knowledge (since 1962 when I was 5 years old …

Just out of interest, is our church working on an updated version of the EO Missal? Thanks.

Bruce

Two documents concerning the EF, Summorum Pontificum and Universae Ecclesiae, make it clear that new Prefaces and new Saints can and should be added to the 1962 Missal. These things by themselves won’t require a new Missal, only an insert, but for permanence when it is done (as I think it will be eventually), they will most likely release a new EF Missal. The rituals and actions of the Mass will be the same, but some new prayers can be added and new saints. By new prayers I mean prayers of the Mass that change anyways, so adding them won’t change the structure of the Mass at all.

 

[TheExorcist]

Thanks YTC. I’m going to see what our local Catholic bookstores have. I’d like to start there before I go online. I’m going to also talk to Father and see what he recommends. I think instructions in the EF will be almost as important as using the missal. However I’d like to maximize all I can in one book.

 

[Laudate_Dominum]

Hm. Tough one. Well there’s different editions of Baronius. The one I purchased was quite large in dimensions than others and used bonded-leather, not genuine leather. Had a larger print and was a little different in devotionals than older editions. If you go with Baronius you’d get this edition.

Wasn’t a really big fan of it. I swapped a friend for his older edition. Genuine leather, smaller print. Though it contained the Luminous Mysteries… It’s been through the wars but is holding up nicely.

I’ve seen an Angelus Press missal (you actually get an option to choose bonded vs genuine leather). Much more compact. Honestly, Baronius feels like you’re carrying a brick some times. I’m not too sure about the content but I’m quite sure it’s probably the same.

I’ve got the Baronius Press missal but I regularly use my great-aunt’s Sunday Missal from the 40s-50s. I’d like the Angelis Press missal… it just seems more usable.

Why a missal from 1962; a bit old wouldn’t you say? Why not the basic missals of today?

Bruce

Oh sorry, like is this missal for collecting purposes? As those old missals from the 60’s and prior to that are great keep-sakes for sure…but my preference is to let the 60’s remain in the 60’s get the new missals that reflects where the Holy Spirit has led the church in the past 40-50 years.

Bruce

Praise be to God that the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite is not a relic to be kept in a museum for you and your ilk to bring out every now and then to show how much of a monster the Church was back in the “dark ages” with the usual trope of accusations around it.

No, rather is is a living liturgy enjoyed by thousands of people all over the world, supported by the Magisterium, bishops and priests of every race and nationality. I can go to Mass in London, in Paris and in Washington, even in Moscow, and experience the same liturgy. True unity. Such as you could never understand with your idolatrous worship of your own ethnicity.

And it’s a liturgy with a growing congregation.

 

[Cider]

My personal favorite for use at mass is the Father Lasance New Roman Missal. I do really like the Angelus press one also which I used until I got the Father Lasance. I am not fond of the St Andrews, I have the 4 volume edition. I really wanted to like it, but I just don’t.

 

[Laudate_Dominum]

I have the 4 volume edition. I really wanted to like it, but I just don’t.

Four volume daily missal?!

 

[RoderickA]

Both are actually very good Missals. I have a Saint Andrews Daily Missal from St. Bonaventure Publications which I enjoy a lot; its a reprint of the 1945 version. Also there is the father Lasance version of the 1962 Missal.

I have had the Baronius, the Father Lasance, and the Saint Andrews and I like all of them. THe Baronius however will have to most up to date versions of the prayers we say during benediction and etc. The Baronius also has the Litany of the Precious Blood.=QUOTE]

This is all great information. And I’m pleased the question was asked as I have wanted to purchase one myself - I also wondered if there might be a new edition in the works, with new saints and prayers added.

We’re lucking enough in our parish to have, in addition to 5 English Masses, & 3 Spanish Masses, an EF Latin Mass on Sundays, And to have it offered every Tuesday evening - and again for Solemnities.

I have long held an appreciation for the EF, and in fact worked hard while a choir member at St. Margaret Mary Church in Oakland, CA (which at the time celebrated two Masses on Sunday, both OF; one in English and one in Latin). We were finally granted permission to celebrate a third Mass on Sundays, this one in the EF; The first, and for a long time, only, parish in the Oakland Diocese allowed to do so.

During all the intervening years, I’ve worked in different cities and have been involved in different parishes - as well as both forms of the Mass (which I do appreciate).

The EF Masses I’ve attended (to the present) had/have booklets with inserts. And I recently decided it’s time for me to buy my own missal! But like our friend here, I’ve been wondering about the merits of the differing Publisher versions and their editions?

You’ve all offered food for thought. My thanks to all of you!

 

[TheExorcist]

Credo in Deum;9027963:

Both are actually very good Missals. I have a Saint Andrews Daily Missal from St. Bonaventure Publications which I enjoy a lot; its a reprint of the 1945 version. Also there is the father Lasance version of the 1962 Missal.

I have had the Baronius, the Father Lasance, and the Saint Andrews and I like all of them. THe Baronius however will have to most up to date versions of the prayers we say during benediction and etc. The Baronius also has the Litany of the Precious Blood.=QUOTE]

This is all great information. And I’m pleased the question was asked as I have wanted to purchase one myself - I also wondered if there might be a new edition in the works, with new saints and prayers added.

We’re lucking enough in our parish to have, in addition to 5 English Masses, & 3 Spanish Masses, an EF Latin Mass on Sundays, And to have it offered every Tuesday evening - and again for Solemnities.

I have long held an appreciation for the EF, and in fact worked hard while a choir member at St. Margaret Mary Church in Oakland, CA (which at the time celebrated two Masses on Sunday, both OF; one in English and one in Latin). We were finally granted permission to celebrate a third Mass on Sundays, this one in the EF; The first, and for a long time, only, parish in the Oakland Diocese allowed to do so.

During all the intervening years, I’ve worked in different cities and have been involved in different parishes - as well as both forms of the Mass (which I do appreciate).

The EF Masses I’ve attended (to the present) had/have booklets with inserts. And I recently decided it’s time for me to buy my own missal! But like our friend here, I’ve been wondering about the merits of the differing Publisher versions and their editions?

You’ve all offered food for thought. My thanks to all of you!

We are lucky enough to have among our three parishes in town here an FSSP parish. 2 weekday EFs and 3 on Sundays.

We also have an SSPX chapel in the city next to us (a dubious honor, I know)

 

[RoderickA]

RoderickA;9029685:

We are lucky enough to have among our three parishes in town here an FSSP parish. 2 weekday EFs and 3 on Sundays.

We also have an SSPX chapel in the city next to us (a dubious honor, I know)

This sounds great. I know of a number of FSSP parishes in our dioceses and neighboring dioceses. These are ministering to a great number who love the EF -and even more who are learning about it for the first time.

 

[RoderickA]

Both are actually very good Missals. I have a Saint Andrews Daily Missal from St. Bonaventure Publications which I enjoy a lot; its a reprint of the 1945 version. Also there is the father Lasance version of the 1962 Missal.

I have had the Baronius, the Father Lasance, and the Saint Andrews and I like all of them. THe Baronius however will have to most up to date versions of the prayers we say during benediction and etc. The Baronius also has the Litany of the Precious Blood.

The Holy Spirit in no way called for us to forget the EF my friend.

My apologies to you, Credo in Deum - and everyone else! I tried to quote portions from your comments, but somehow made a mess of it (see comment #12). I’m still learning what should be a simple process.

 

[corsair]

My personal favorite is the Angelus Press version. I have a Baronius press DR Bible and I am not impressed with its quality which is why I went to Angelus Press for my missal.

 

[mattkubes]

I’d vote for Angelus Press as well.

Although I’m hoping to get a copy of the Fr Lasance (1962) at some point and I’m looking at the St Andrew (1945, 1-vol) too. The St Andrew has great notes on the seasons and short biographies of the Saints on their feast days. I’d also like that one so I can read through the pre-1955 Holy Week on my own.

 

[Immaculata90]

I would definitely go for the Angelus Press.

A very holy priest in our diocese says that is the one that he always recommends to people.
I’ve never had a different one, but I don’t see any need to switch. And the price is reasonable in my mind.

 

[TheExorcist]

I’d vote for Angelus Press as well.

Although I’m hoping to get a copy of the Fr Lasance (1962) at some point and I’m looking at the St Andrew (1945, 1-vol) too. The St Andrew has great notes on the seasons and short biographies of the Saints on their feast days. I’d also like that one so I can read through the pre-1955 Holy Week on my own.

The St Andrew looks interesting. St Bonaventure Publications says, ““There is only one fully traditional Latin-English handmissal in print for laypeople” referring to the St Andrew.

Where does the St Joseph fall into everybody’s preferences? That’s an earlier one right, like 1953?

Im just hoping my local Catholic bookstore has copies open so I can actually flip through them.

 

[James924]

Why a missal from 1962; a bit old wouldn’t you say? Why not the basic missals of today?

Bruce

This one made me laugh!

You do realize that you’re on the “Traditional Catholicism” forum, right? Thats a proper noun. Primarily means TLM-attending Trads (like me ).

Anyway, I have a Baronius, my wife has an Angelus Press… I’m always jealous of her’s, so I’d go with the Angelus. Big decision; once you drop that 40-50 bucks there’s no turning back