2 Cops Among 67 Shot in Weekend Violence; Teen and 56-Year-Old Bystander Killed

[SamH]

The dynamics of the two periods are different. How many immigrant groups were there back then? Tell me about the Poles and Italians and Irish in Dodge City in the 19th century. Hardly any comparison with today’s Chicago…

The share of the foreign-born population fluctuated around 13-15% between 1860 and
1920, but immigrants and their children represented 30-40% of the white population. The current foreign born population in the US is slightly under 10%. So today’s Chicago probably isn’t as “diverse” as 1880s Dodge City.

 

[SamH]

This has gone too far afield. I was speaking of New York City, and the topic got turned to Chicago, a city I know little about. I apologize for any confusion I may have caused posters.

But, basically, too many handguns everywhere.

I would think too few handguns.

 

[1holycatholic]

In Canada, there are more people on average that own guns than Americans.

The cited sources here rank U.S.A. 1st and Canada at 13th.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Ok, so forget about Chicago or NY.

Too many guns, so if we take the guns away the problems in the inner cities will stop?

The problems? Hunger, jobs, shelter, wife and child abuse, alcoholism, drugs, among others. No, a gun free city won’t solve those problems.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

I would think too few handguns.

There aren’t enough killings with the guns we already have? You want more out on the street? Sorry, can’t agree.

 

[SamH]

There aren’t enough killings with the guns we already have? You want more out on the street? Sorry, can’t agree.

There would be fewer, as FBI studies have found. In essence an armed society is a polite society.

 

[bbarrick8383]

The problems? Hunger, jobs, shelter, wife and child abuse, alcoholism, drugs, among others. No, a gun free city won’t solve those problems.

Ah, so inner city kids and gangs would not stop because their central problems that motivate their drive to sell drugs and compete amongst each other which results in many of the shootings would continue…only they would find another means besides guns to destroy each other?

BTW, if you’ve ever listen to many of the rappers who have been shot or shot at while on the streets selling drugs because they thought it would lead them to a better life have learned that if you survive, you will eventually get caught. And by the time you do the math you would make as much or more money working at McDonald’s staying clean than you would selling drugs and spending months/years at a time in jail.

So the solution is not to remove guns, as a matter of fact it has nothing to do with the problem. If you remove the guns without solving the problem you will only create a new need to remove the competition. Bombs? They sound much better don’t they? Dunno about you, but I’d rather be shot than be blown up…at least there is a chance. Just ask Curtis Jackson.

The problem I think would be education? What’s the solution there Rich? Democrats are mostly in control in these inner cities are they not? Have they not been for many years?

 

[Gift_from_God]

The cited sources here rank U.S.A. 1st and Canada at 13th.

That’s odd. I saw some other stats saying we own more. Oh well

 

[Gift_from_God]

But, basically, too many handguns everywhere.

Yes, there are too many guns. I don’t really understand why America has such a big gun culture. Maybe it’s because I live in a country that doesn’t have guns listed as a constitutional right. I think America has to look at other countries and see what it is they are doing right. Crime is at a 40-year low right now in Canada, so maybe US lawmakers can look at what we’re doing

 

[1holycatholic]

Yes, there are too many guns. I don’t really understand why America has such a big gun culture. Maybe it’s because I live in a country that doesn’t have guns listed as a constitutional right. I think America has to look at other countries and see what it is they are doing right. Crime is at a 40-year low right now in Canada, so maybe US lawmakers can look at what we’re doing

Canada’s Crime Rate 50 % Higher than U.S.
…
"Canada’s overall crime rate is now 50 percent higher than the crime rate in the United States.” Moreover, "Since the early 1990s, crime rates have dropped in 48 of the 50 states and 80 percent of American cities. Over that same period, crime rates have risen in six of the 10 Canadian provinces and in seven of Canada’s 10 biggest cities.”
…

 

[bbarrick8383]

I just got back from a shooting competition a couple of weeks ago. It was a blast, I shot 5 bowling pins in 4 seconds. I came in third with an AR-15 and I did pretty good in the shotguns as well.

I love shooting.

youtube.com/watch?v=dSp7CipN1pw&feature=relmfu

 

[Wolseley]

I just got back from a shooting competition a couple of weeks ago. It was a blast, I shot 5 bowling pins in 4 seconds. I came in third with an AR-15 and I did pretty good in the shotguns as well.

I love shooting.

youtube.com/watch?v=dSp7CipN1pw&feature=relmfu

That’s the first time I’ve ever seen a 40mm anti-aircraft gun used as an anti-personnel weapon…

Little sizey for concealed carry use, methinks.

 

[bbarrick8383]

That’s the first time I’ve ever seen a 40mm anti-aircraft gun used as an anti-personnel weapon…

Little sizey for concealed carry use, methinks.

Yes, but it’s a must have for any private citizen living in an open carry state.

 

[SamH]

Canada’s Crime Rate 50 % Higher than U.S.
…
"Canada’s overall crime rate is now 50 percent higher than the crime rate in the United States.” Moreover, "Since the early 1990s, crime rates have dropped in 48 of the 50 states and 80 percent of American cities. Over that same period, crime rates have risen in six of the 10 Canadian provinces and in seven of Canada’s 10 biggest cities.”
…

Thanks for information. 50% higher, apparently even small homogeneous populations get violent after gun control kicks in. Given one of the other threads on this page it’s obvious they have no respect for life, it must also extend to property too.

 

[Gift_from_God]

Canada’s Crime Rate 50 % Higher than U.S.
…
"Canada’s overall crime rate is now 50 percent higher than the crime rate in the United States.” Moreover, "Since the early 1990s, crime rates have dropped in 48 of the 50 states and 80 percent of American cities. Over that same period, crime rates have risen in six of the 10 Canadian provinces and in seven of Canada’s 10 biggest cities.”
…

Untrue. Crime is at a 40 year low now

 

[1holycatholic]

Untrue. Crime is at a 40 year low now

GALLUP****NEWS SERVICE

%between%
**…
**Percentage of People Reporting Occurrence
of Each Incident in Last 12 Months

Britain
Canada
United States

%
%
%
A home, car, or property owned by you or another household
member was vandalized
22
17
15
Money or property was stolen from you or another
member of your household
13
17
16
You or another household member was the victim of a computer
or Internet-based crime, such as fraud or computer hacking,
while using your home computer
7
6
8
You or another household member was mugged or physically
assaulted
7
4
4
Your house or (U.S./Canada: apartment/Great Britain: flat)
was broken into
4
4
4
A car owned by you or another household member was stolen
5
3
2
Money or property was taken from you or another household
member by force, with a gun, knife, weapon or physical attack,
or by threat of force
2
2
2
You or another household member was sexually assaulted
1
1
1
NET HOUSEHOLDS VICTIMIZED BY CRIME
36
33
32
NET HOUSEHOLDS VICTIMIZED BY VIOLENT CRIME
8
5
5
NET INDIVIDUALS VICTIMIZED BY CRIME
25
21
21
NET INDIVIDUALS VICTIMIZED BY VIOLENT CRIME
4
2
3
…

 

[1holycatholic]

Untrue. Crime is at a 40 year low now

Crime Rate Lower in United States, Canada Than in Britain

GALLUP NEWS SERVICE

PRINCETON, NJ – The United States is often seen from abroad as a relatively lawless society, with murders and gun-related crimes aplenty. But a recent series of Gallup surveys in Great Britain, Canada, and the United States suggests that the image may be somewhat distorted. According to the surveys, the overall crime rate in the United States is lower than in Britain and about the same as in Canada. The polls also show that, among citizens in the three countries, Britons appear to have the least confidence in their police, while Canadians have the most. Britons are also the most likely to say that they live near an area where they would be afraid to walk alone at night.

The crime rate in each country is measured by people’s responses to eight questions that ask whether a particular crime happened to the respondents, or to anyone in their households, in the past year. ** Overall, 32% of U.S. respondents mention some type of crime occurring to someone in their households, compared with 33% of Canadians** and 36% of Britons. Three of the eight items ask about violent crime, and the responses reveal that 5% each of U.S. and Canadian households have been the victims of such crime, compared with 8% of British households.
…

 

[Scott_Lafrance]

Ya, that happens when you argue with statistics and facts against dogmatically held opinions.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Ya, that happens when you argue with statistics and facts against dogmatically held opinions.

“Statistics and facts.” Have you never heard, “Figures don’t lie, but liars figure”? And, what’s more dogmatic than gun lovers waxing rhapsodic and lovingly about their handguns?

 

[SamH]

“Statistics and facts.” Have you never heard, “Figures don’t lie, but liars figure”? And, what’s more dogmatic than gun lovers waxing rhapsodic and lovingly about their handguns?

Anti civil rights types that refuse to allow facts, circumstances or FBI provided statistics deter them from making outlandish claims based on dogmatic belief in unsubstantiated claims or outright fabrications?