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Thank you for this Dear Sister. Honestly, I would rather spend more time in purgatory, than give up on my conciencious objections. I would rather throw myself on the mercy of Christ. He knows my heart, and why I believe what I do. I could Just lie, and say I agree. but God would know this, and a lie like this is of the devil. And although I know there will be those who say there are not. There ARE ambiguities, and grey areas in the Catechism. If those who say it is perfect had truly read it, they would in all honety have to agree. I would advise you to think long and hard before making a decision. as for me, Mine is already made. I dont think I could have chosen another way. It was Catholicsm, Judaism. or Atheism. 2 of these groups God has spoken to. The third doesnt even have a good holiday…Peace to you and yours. 🙂
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Benidict,
It’s been tough for me sorting through all the issues in Catholicism. After all the soul searching, I ended up in the Anglican Church-though I do have strong Catholic “leanings.”

I think the honesty issue is huge. Glad you are dealing with your questions, rather than sweeping them under the rug.

I’m glad you chose Catholicism–definitely the best choice of the 3. 🙂

Peace and blessings to you,
Anna
 
edowitz1 said:
Roman Catholic Doctrine Vs. The Doctrinal Teaching of the Word of God

Eternal life is a merited reward [1821, 2010]. - Roman Catholicism
Eternal life is the free gift of God (Romans 6:23)

No one can know if he will attain eternal life [1036, 2005] - Roman Catholicism
The believer can know that he has eternal life by the Word of God (1 John 5:13)

The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation [846]. - Roman Catholicism
There is salvation in no one but the Lord Jesus Christ, “for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12)

Purgatory is necessary to atone for sin and clean the soul [1030-1031]. - Roman Catholicism
Purgatory does not exist. Jesus made purification for sins on the cross (Hebrews 1:3)

Mary was preserved from all stain of original sin from the first instant of her conception (the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception) [490-492].
Mary, a descendant of Adam, was born in sin (Psalm 51:5; Romans 5:12)

Mary is the Mother of the Church [963, 975]. - Roman Catholicism
Mary was the earthly mother of Jesus ( John 2:1)

The Magisterium is the authoritative teacher of the Church. [85-87]. - Roman Catholicism
The Holy Spirit is the authoritative teacher of the church (John 14:26; John 16:13, I John 2:27)

The pope, as the Bishop of Rome, is the successor of Peter [882, 936] - Roman Catholicism
Peter had no successor, nor was he a pope.

The pope is infallible in his authoritative teaching [891]. - Roman Catholicism
God alone is infallible (Numbers 23:19)

Scripture and Tradition together are the Word of God [81, 85, 97, 182]. - Roman Catholicism
Scripture is the Word of God (John 10:35, 2 Timothy 3:15-17, 2 Peter 1:20-21). Tradition is the words of men (Mark 7:1-13).

The sacrificial work of redemption is continually carried out through the Sacrifice of the Mass. [1364,1405, 1846]. - Roman Catholicism
The sacrificial work of redemption was finished when Christ gave His life for us on the cross (Ephesians 1:7, Hebrews 1:3).

God desires that consecrated bread and wine be worshiped as divine. [1378-1381] - Roman Catholicism
God forbids the worship of any object, even t hose intended to represent Him (Exodus 20:4-5, Isaiah 42:8)

Justification is lost through mortal sin [1033, 1855, 1874] - Roman Catholicism
Justification cannot be lost. Those whom God justifies will be saved from the wrath of God (Romans 5:8-9).

Justification is furthered by sacraments and good works [1212, 1392, 2010] - Roman Catholicism
Justification is the imputation of the perfect righteousness of God (2 Corinthians 5:21). In Christ the believer has been made complete (Colossians 2:10).

Salvation is attained by cooperating with grace through faith, good works, and participation in the sacraments [183, 1129, 1815, 2002]. - Roman Catholicism
Salvation is attained by grace through faith apart from works (Ephesians 2:8-9). Good works are the result, not the cause, of salvation (Ephesians 2:10).

Mary, “the All-Holy,” lived a perfectly sinless life [411, 493]. - Roman Catholicism
Mary was a sinner; God alone is sinless (Luke 18:19, Romans 3:23, Revelation 15:4).

Mary was a virgin before, during, and after the birth of Christ [496-511]. - Roman Catholicism
Mary remained a virgin until after the birth of Jesus (Matthew 1:25). Later she had other children (Matthew 13:55-56, Psalm 69:8).

Each Sacrifice of the Mass appeases God’s wrath against sin [1371, 1414]. - Roman Catholicism
The once-for-all sacrifice of the cross fully appeased God’s wrath against sin. (Hebrews 10:12-18).

The Bishops, with the Pope, as their head, rule the universal church. [883, 894-896]. - Roman Catholicism
Christ, the head of the body is the Head of the Church. (Colossians 1:18).

The faithful receive the benefits of the cross in fullest measure through the Sacrifice of the Mass [1366, 1407]. - Roman Catholicism
Believers receive the benefits of the cross in fullest measure in Christ through faith (Ephesians 1:3-14).

God has exalted Mary in heavenly glory as Queen of Heaven and Earth [966]. She is to be praised with special devotion [971, 2675]. - Roman Catholicism
The name of the Lord is to be praised, for He alone is exalted above heaven and earth (Psalm 148:13). God commands, “You shall have no other gods before Me.” (Exodus 20:3).

Mary is the co-mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions 9 968-970, 2677] - Roman Catholicism
Christ Jesus is the one mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions (1 Timothy 2:5, John 14:13-14, 1 Peter 5:7).

Scripture and Tradition together are the Church’s supreme role of faith [80, 82]. - Roman Catholicism
Scripture is the church’s rule of faith (Mark 7:7-13, 2 Timothy 3:16-17).
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I did not start this thread for protestants to come and attempt to proselatize. With all due respect, you have no horse in this race, and should withdraw. I am no a potential convert to your cause. I do not have a protestant bone in my body. I can if you force me, refute biblically every item you have listed. Do you really want to try me? I would advise you do not. Its one thing for me and my brothers to squable. believe me, you do not want to get in the middle. :nunchuk:
 
edowitz1 said:
Roman Catholic Doctrine Vs. The Doctrinal Teaching of the Word of God

Eternal life is a merited reward [1821, 2010]. - Roman Catholicism
Eternal life is the free gift of God (Romans 6:23)

No one can know if he will attain eternal life [1036, 2005] - Roman Catholicism
The believer can know that he has eternal life by the Word of God (1 John 5:13)

The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation [846]. - Roman Catholicism
There is salvation in no one but the Lord Jesus Christ, “for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12)

Purgatory is necessary to atone for sin and clean the soul [1030-1031]. - Roman Catholicism
Purgatory does not exist. Jesus made purification for sins on the cross (Hebrews 1:3)

Mary was preserved from all stain of original sin from the first instant of her conception (the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception) [490-492].
Mary, a descendant of Adam, was born in sin (Psalm 51:5; Romans 5:12)

Mary is the Mother of the Church [963, 975]. - Roman Catholicism
Mary was the earthly mother of Jesus ( John 2:1)

The Magisterium is the authoritative teacher of the Church. [85-87]. - Roman Catholicism
The Holy Spirit is the authoritative teacher of the church (John 14:26; John 16:13, I John 2:27)

The pope, as the Bishop of Rome, is the successor of Peter [882, 936] - Roman Catholicism
Peter had no successor, nor was he a pope.

The pope is infallible in his authoritative teaching [891]. - Roman Catholicism
God alone is infallible (Numbers 23:19)

Scripture and Tradition together are the Word of God [81, 85, 97, 182]. - Roman Catholicism
Scripture is the Word of God (John 10:35, 2 Timothy 3:15-17, 2 Peter 1:20-21). Tradition is the words of men (Mark 7:1-13).

The sacrificial work of redemption is continually carried out through the Sacrifice of the Mass. [1364,1405, 1846]. - Roman Catholicism
The sacrificial work of redemption was finished when Christ gave His life for us on the cross (Ephesians 1:7, Hebrews 1:3).

God desires that consecrated bread and wine be worshiped as divine. [1378-1381] - Roman Catholicism
God forbids the worship of any object, even t hose intended to represent Him (Exodus 20:4-5, Isaiah 42:8)

Justification is lost through mortal sin [1033, 1855, 1874] - Roman Catholicism
Justification cannot be lost. Those whom God justifies will be saved from the wrath of God (Romans 5:8-9).

Justification is furthered by sacraments and good works [1212, 1392, 2010] - Roman Catholicism
Justification is the imputation of the perfect righteousness of God (2 Corinthians 5:21). In Christ the believer has been made complete (Colossians 2:10).

Salvation is attained by cooperating with grace through faith, good works, and participation in the sacraments [183, 1129, 1815, 2002]. - Roman Catholicism
Salvation is attained by grace through faith apart from works (Ephesians 2:8-9). Good works are the result, not the cause, of salvation (Ephesians 2:10).

Mary, “the All-Holy,” lived a perfectly sinless life [411, 493]. - Roman Catholicism
Mary was a sinner; God alone is sinless (Luke 18:19, Romans 3:23, Revelation 15:4).

Mary was a virgin before, during, and after the birth of Christ [496-511]. - Roman Catholicism
Mary remained a virgin until after the birth of Jesus (Matthew 1:25). Later she had other children (Matthew 13:55-56, Psalm 69:8).

Each Sacrifice of the Mass appeases God’s wrath against sin [1371, 1414]. - Roman Catholicism
The once-for-all sacrifice of the cross fully appeased God’s wrath against sin. (Hebrews 10:12-18).

The Bishops, with the Pope, as their head, rule the universal church. [883, 894-896]. - Roman Catholicism
Christ, the head of the body is the Head of the Church. (Colossians 1:18).

The faithful receive the benefits of the cross in fullest measure through the Sacrifice of the Mass [1366, 1407]. - Roman Catholicism
Believers receive the benefits of the cross in fullest measure in Christ through faith (Ephesians 1:3-14).

God has exalted Mary in heavenly glory as Queen of Heaven and Earth [966]. She is to be praised with special devotion [971, 2675]. - Roman Catholicism
The name of the Lord is to be praised, for He alone is exalted above heaven and earth (Psalm 148:13). God commands, “You shall have no other gods before Me.” (Exodus 20:3).

Mary is the co-mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions 9 968-970, 2677] - Roman Catholicism
Christ Jesus is the one mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions (1 Timothy 2:5, John 14:13-14, 1 Peter 5:7).

Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participate with Christ in the painful act of redemption [618,

Scripture and Tradition together are the Church’s supreme role of faith [80, 82]. - Roman Catholicism
Scripture is the church’s rule of faith (Mark 7:7-13, 2 Timothy 3:16-17).
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I did not start this thread for protestants to come and attempt to proselatize. With all due respect, you have no horse in this race, and should withdraw. I am no a potential convert to your cause. I do not have a protestant bone in my body. I can if you force me, refute biblically every item you have listed. Do you really want to try me? I would advise you do not. Its one thing for me and my brothers to squable. believe me, you do not want to get in the middle. :nunchuk:
 
Anna_Scott said:
Benidict,
It’s been tough for me sorting through all the issues in Catholicism. After all the soul searching, I ended up in the Anglican Church-though I do have strong Catholic “leanings.”

I think the honesty issue is huge. Glad you are dealing with your questions, rather than sweeping them under the rug.

I’m glad you chose Catholicism–definitely the best choice of the 3. 🙂

Peace and blessings to you,
Anna
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Anna. You are one of the most Righteous,and Sweetest women I know. God bless you. and give you his peace. I know you are right where God wants you too. 👍
 
benidict said:
I did not start this thread for protestants to come and attempt to proselatize. With all due respect, you have no horse in this race, and should withdraw. I am no a potential convert to your cause. I do not have a protestant bone in my body. I can if you force me, refute biblically every item you have listed. Do you really want to try me? I would advise you do not. Its one thing for me and my brothers to squable. believe me, you do not want to get in the middle. :nunchuk:
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Its spam he’s posted the same list in 52 threads so far
 
edowitz1 said:
Roman Catholic Doctrine Vs. The Doctrinal Teaching of the Word of God

Eternal life is a merited reward [1821, 2010]. - Roman Catholicism
Eternal life is the free gift of God (Romans 6:23)

No one can know if he will attain eternal life [1036, 2005] - Roman Catholicism
The believer can know that he has eternal life by the Word of God (1 John 5:13)

The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation [846]. - Roman Catholicism
There is salvation in no one but the Lord Jesus Christ, “for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men, by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12)

Purgatory is necessary to atone for sin and clean the soul [1030-1031]. - Roman Catholicism
Purgatory does not exist. Jesus made purification for sins on the cross (Hebrews 1:3)

Mary was preserved from all stain of original sin from the first instant of her conception (the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception) [490-492].
Mary, a descendant of Adam, was born in sin (Psalm 51:5; Romans 5:12)

Mary is the Mother of the Church [963, 975]. - Roman Catholicism
Mary was the earthly mother of Jesus ( John 2:1)

The Magisterium is the authoritative teacher of the Church. [85-87]. - Roman Catholicism
The Holy Spirit is the authoritative teacher of the church (John 14:26; John 16:13, I John 2:27)

The pope, as the Bishop of Rome, is the successor of Peter [882, 936] - Roman Catholicism
Peter had no successor, nor was he a pope.

The pope is infallible in his authoritative teaching [891]. - Roman Catholicism
God alone is infallible (Numbers 23:19)

Scripture and Tradition together are the Word of God [81, 85, 97, 182]. - Roman Catholicism
Scripture is the Word of God (John 10:35, 2 Timothy 3:15-17, 2 Peter 1:20-21). Tradition is the words of men (Mark 7:1-13).

The sacrificial work of redemption is continually carried out through the Sacrifice of the Mass. [1364,1405, 1846]. - Roman Catholicism
The sacrificial work of redemption was finished when Christ gave His life for us on the cross (Ephesians 1:7, Hebrews 1:3).

God desires that consecrated bread and wine be worshiped as divine. [1378-1381] - Roman Catholicism
God forbids the worship of any object, even t hose intended to represent Him (Exodus 20:4-5, Isaiah 42:8)

Justification is lost through mortal sin [1033, 1855, 1874] - Roman Catholicism
Justification cannot be lost. Those whom God justifies will be saved from the wrath of God (Romans 5:8-9).

Justification is furthered by sacraments and good works [1212, 1392, 2010] - Roman Catholicism
Justification is the imputation of the perfect righteousness of God (2 Corinthians 5:21). In Christ the believer has been made complete (Colossians 2:10).

Salvation is attained by cooperating with grace through faith, good works, and participation in the sacraments [183, 1129, 1815, 2002]. - Roman Catholicism
Salvation is attained by grace through faith apart from works (Ephesians 2:8-9). Good works are the result, not the cause, of salvation (Ephesians 2:10).

Mary, “the All-Holy,” lived a perfectly sinless life [411, 493]. - Roman Catholicism
Mary was a sinner; God alone is sinless (Luke 18:19, Romans 3:23, Revelation 15:4).

Mary was a virgin before, during, and after the birth of Christ [496-511]. - Roman Catholicism
Mary remained a virgin until after the birth of Jesus (Matthew 1:25). Later she had other children (Matthew 13:55-56, Psalm 69:8).

Each Sacrifice of the Mass appeases God’s wrath against sin [1371, 1414]. - Roman Catholicism
The once-for-all sacrifice of the cross fully appeased God’s wrath against sin. (Hebrews 10:12-18).

The Bishops, with the Pope, as their head, rule the universal church. [883, 894-896]. - Roman Catholicism
Christ, the head of the body is the Head of the Church. (Colossians 1:18).

The faithful receive the benefits of the cross in fullest measure through the Sacrifice of the Mass [1366, 1407]. - Roman Catholicism
Believers receive the benefits of the cross in fullest measure in Christ through faith (Ephesians 1:3-14).

God has exalted Mary in heavenly glory as Queen of Heaven and Earth [966]. She is to be praised with special devotion [971, 2675]. - Roman Catholicism
The name of the Lord is to be praised, for He alone is exalted above heaven and earth (Psalm 148:13). God commands, “You shall have no other gods before Me.” (Exodus 20:3).

Mary is the co-mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions 9 968-970, 2677] - Roman Catholicism
Christ Jesus is the one mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions (1 Timothy 2:5, John 14:13-14, 1 Peter 5:7).

Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participate with Christ in the painful act of redemption [618, 964, 968, 970]. - Roman Catholicism
Christ alone is the Redeemer, for He alone suffered and died for sin (1 Peter 1:18-19).

The sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated in the Sacrifice of the Mass [1323, 1382] - Roman Catholicism
The Sacrifice of the cross is finished (John 19:30).

Indulgences dispensed by the Church for acts of piety release sinners from temporal punishment [1471-1473]. - Roman Catholicism
Jesus releases believers from their sins by His blood. (Revelation 1:5).

The Magisterium has the right to define truth found only obscurely or implicitly in revelation. [66, 88, 2035, 2051]. - Roman Catholicism
No one has the right to go beyond what is written in Scripture (1 Corinthians 4:6, Proverbs 30:5-6).

Scripture and Tradition together are the Church’s supreme role of faith [80, 82]. - Roman Catholicism
Scripture is the church’s rule of faith (Mark 7:7-13, 2 Timothy 3:16-17).
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edowitz1,

All your posts (58) are a duplicate of the above. You have a clear anti-Catholic agenda, that hurts the witness of your fellow Protestants; and violates the rules of this forum regarding proselytizing.

forums.catholic-questions.org/search.php?searchid=8250620

Anna
 
benidict said:
I did not start this thread for protestants to come and attempt to proselatize. With all due respect, you have no horse in this race, and should withdraw. I am no a potential convert to your cause. I do not have a protestant bone in my body. I can if you force me, refute biblically every item you have listed. Do you really want to try me? I would advise you do not. Its one thing for me and my brothers to squable. believe me, you do not want to get in the middle. :nunchuk:
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Anna_Scott said:
edowitz1,

All your posts (58) are a duplicate of the above. You have a clear anti-Catholic agenda, that hurts the witness of your fellow Protestants; and violates the rules of this forum regarding proselytizing.

forums.catholic-questions.org/search.php?searchid=8250620

Anna
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edowitz1 just hit 107 posts (number is quickly climbing) and they are all identical. I reported this to the moderators. Clear anti-Catholic agenda.
Anna
 
benidict said:
Anna. You are one of the most Righteous,and Sweetest women I know. God bless you. and give you his peace. I know you are right where God wants you too. 👍
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You are way too kind. As I’ve said before, I’m a mess held together by the Grace of Christ. 🙂

Peace,
Anna
 
Anna_Scott said:
edowitz1 just hit 107 posts (number is quickly climbing) and they are all identical. I reported this to the moderators. Clear anti-Catholic agenda.
Anna
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Nicely done dear Sister. I am sure he does not like my Episcopalian brothers/sisters either…😉 If he messes with you…OOOOH, id hate to be in his shoes.:mad:
 
I think you just have to stay with the Church and be comforted by the fact that God knows the truth (whatever the truth is).

I grew up in the 1950’s, and I believe that some things have changed.

It used to be a mortal sin to be cremated.

It used to be that capital punishment was just fine and that the state had the authority to put criminals to death.

I was told that it was a sin to get a tattoo because that was mutilating your body - against the 5th commandment.

I have an old Catholic Catechism that says usury is a sin.

I also used to hear that it was a mortal sin to refuse (sex) to your husband.

I used to have a great aunt who said she was taught that you were obliged to have as many children as you could to make souls for God.

Back in the Middle Ages, it was considered a sin to dissect a human body.

It used to be that smoking was not considered a sin. Now that we know that it gradually kills us, I don’t know how it could NOT be a sin.

It was also a sin to worship in a Protestant church unless you were going to a wedding or a funeral.

If I thought more about it, I could probably come up with many more examples.

If the Pope decided to approve birth control, it definitely would not make me feel that my faith was in some kind of crisis.
 
benidict said:
For the simple reason, both these issues touch on preserving life. I believe that the Magesterium is wrong on two issues. I cannot lie to myself or anyone else, and state otherwise. There are grey areas, in many issues. To deny that there are grey areas in some is just plain incorrect. Excellent question though. Neither of my disagreements are biblical in nature. Peace 🙂
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If they have anything to do with preserving life then they have something to do with faith and morals are biblical (not explicitly mentioned but implicitly so). If its abortion in instances of rape and incest then the Church has infallibly spoken on that subject and it is biblical. If its contraception, then once again, biblical (Onan’s sin), and the teaching of the Church.

And again, if you believe some because of the authority and infallibility of the Church then you just have to come to terms with these other issues. You are Catholic as long as you aren’t resigned to not studying the issues and trying to come to an understanding of the Church’s position. Don’t say you reject them, just say that you have troubles understanding the infallible teaching of the Church on these issues. Infallibility is also an issues that you need to come to terms with. 🙂
 
That all comes back to the Bible, and I don’t believe that the Bible is necessarily an inerrant record of God’s interaction with mankind or that it was inspired by God.
 
It would depend on which two things that you can not accept.

If as an example, you could not accept that Jesus is really present in the Eucharist, then no you could not be considered to be a Catholic.
 
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