2 new American cardinals

[frommi]

ElizabethAnne:

Besides that, my faith is in the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit and the cardinals’ attention to the Spirit will always come through, no matter what kinds of concerns some of the cardinals may or may not have.

Uhh…we have a messed up Holy Spirit if it picked some of the popes we’ve had.

 

[frommi]

Brendan:

Cardinal Maida of Detroit was made a Cardinal even though Cardinal Szoka is still alive and working in the Vatican.

So why is it surprising for Boston?

Cardinal Szoka stopped being ‘Detroit’s Cardinal’ when he was named as the President of the Vatican State.

Likewise, Cardinal Law is not "Boston’s Cardinal’, but rather the Cardinal Archpriest of St. Mary Major.

Honestly, it was just something I had read at some point.

Perhaps the main difference is that for a time, Cardinal Law was simply “archbishop emeritus” of Boston…since then he (for whatever reason) been named Archpriest of SMM.

It could also be that in these cardinal annoucements, it seems clear that the Pope is naming people cardinal with very little concern for politics.

 

[JKirkLVNV]

frommi:

All metropolitan sees are not headed by cardinals…**St. Louis, **Portland…there’s a long list of archdioceses that don’t have cardinals

I was hoping the Archbishop of Saint Louis would be elevated. Is not the ordinary of this see normally a cardinal?

 

[Brendan]

frommi:

It could also be that in these cardinal annoucements, it seems clear that the Pope is naming people cardinal with very little concern for politics.

In which case, good for him

Politics is probably the last reason anyone should be named a Cardinal.

 

[frommi]

JKirkLVNV:

I was hoping the Archbishop of Saint Louis would be elevated. Is not the ordinary of this see normally a cardinal?

Technically, no see ‘normally’ has a cardinal. It doesn’t come part and parcel with the gig…see the whole debate above about how this is a personal honor.

St. Louis has had cardinal archbishops in the past…but even Cardinal Rigali had to go to Philadelphia to get his ‘red hat’. I wouldn’t hold your breath on seeing Ray Burke being made a cardinal.

 

[John_Higgins]

JKirkLVNV:

I was hoping the Archbishop of Saint Louis would be elevated. Is not the ordinary of this see normally a cardinal?

I had been hoping that Cardinal Rigali would have been asked to stay in St. Louis and bring the red hat back.

Cardinal Glennon was the first red hat in St. Louis. He got his 19 days before he died. Cardinal Ritter had served for 15 years before he was elevated. Cardinal Carberry was elevated a year after he became archbishop. He lived until 1998 (almost 94 years old). The custom was not to have a retired cardinal and an active one in the same see. (I know Philadelphia and Washington have that circumstance now.)

I doubt St. Louis will see a cardinal again though. Too bad.

John

 

[Amadeus]

Originally posted by frommi:

Perhaps the main difference is that for a time, Cardinal Law was simply “archbishop emeritus” of Boston…since then he (for whatever reason) been named Archpriest of SMM.

Cardinal Law is still an “Archbishop Emeritus of Boston” while being the Archpriest of the Basilica of St. Mary Major. If he chose to stay in Boston, Cardinal Law would have been beyond the jurisdictional authority of the sitting Archbishop of Boston or of any other Bishop in the U.S. for that matter.

Under existing Church guidelines, Cardinals without any diocesan/archdiocesan responsibilities are required, at least enjoined, to live in Rome. Cardinal Law accepted his appointment as Archpriest of the Basilica of St. Mary Major and, therefore, transferred his residence to Rome and, probably, as a “citizen” of the Vatican City-State, with the corresponding diplomatic immunities.

 

[Hildebrand]

Amadeus:

Are you certain that St. Louis is a Metropolitan Archdiocese like New York, Boston, Chicago, and Los Angeles? Or, is St. Louis just an Archdiocese, like Denver and New Orleans, for now?

Anchorage, Atlanta, Cincinnati, Denver, Dubuque, Galveston-Houston, Hartford, Indianapolis, Kansas City, Louisville, St. Louis, etc are all Metropolitan Archdioceses. There are nearly 3 dozen Metropolitan Archdioceses in the United States alone.
Structured View of Dioceses in North America

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[Hildebrand]

John Higgins:

I doubt St. Louis will see a cardinal again though. Too bad.

Same here.

St. Louis has not had a sitting archbishop that was also a cardinal since 1979.

 

[Hildebrand]

frommi:

Uhh…we have a messed up Holy Spirit if it picked some of the popes we’ve had.

HH Pope Benedict XVI has stated more than once that the Holy Spirit does not necessarily pick the pope:

“I would not say so, in the sense that the Holy Spirit picks out the pope. … I would say that the Spirit does not exactly take control of the affair, but rather like a good educator, as it were, leaves us much space, much freedom, without entirely abandoning us. Thus the Spirit’s role should be understood in a much more elastic sense, not that he dictates the candidate for whom one must vote. Probably the only assurance he offers is that the thing cannot be totally ruined.”

nationalcatholicreporter.org/update/conclave/pt041505c.htm

 

[Hildebrand]

a_cermak:

I’m surprised there aren’t more Mexican, Central American and South American Cardinals. These are regions with huge numbers of Catholics.

The number of cardinal-electors from each region on March 25, 2006:

• Europe – 60
• Latin America – 20
• US/Canada – 16
• Asia/Pacific – 15
• Africa – 9

Total – 120