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The damage this is causing! Uggh! Pius X is turning over in his grave.
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frommi
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What damage is this causing?
If I’m correct…many thousands of Catholics gather under one roof for several days and discuss the faith, learn about the faith, and celebrate the faith.
Exactly what goes on here that is so damaging to the church (and don’t say liturgical dancers…even if you think they are illicit…they are hardly causing great damage to the deposit of faith).
If I’m correct…many thousands of Catholics gather under one roof for several days and discuss the faith, learn about the faith, and celebrate the faith.
Exactly what goes on here that is so damaging to the church (and don’t say liturgical dancers…even if you think they are illicit…they are hardly causing great damage to the deposit of faith).
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By the time Cardinal Hollywood retires he will have turned the largest RC archdiocese in the country into a left-liberal Prot-a-thon complete with every nutty liturgical abuse imaginable, along with two generations of Catholics who have no idea who they are or why. It’s beyond tragic. Frommi I pity you.
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Your kidding right?
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Shoshana
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Corki
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frommi,
Did you read the OP? We’re not talking about the liturgy (although a video or photos of it will undoubtedly be posted after the conference
). The concern is for the speakers list.While I see one fairly orthodox name, there are several known dissidents in the bunch. One of the speakers listed recently spoke at another conference I attended. The Bishop had to publicly correct what he said.
So, yes, these dissidents, especially when they carry the perceived endorsement of the Church, are causing great damage to the deposit of faith.
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Fran Ferder once called then Cardinal Ratzinger “woefully ignorant of recent findings on human sexual development”.frommi,
Did you read the OP? We’re not talking about the liturgy (although a video or photos of it will undoubtedly be posted after the conference
While I see one fairly orthodox name, there are several known dissidents in the bunch. One of the speakers listed recently spoke at another conference I attended. The Bishop had to publicly correct what he said.
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2011 is going to be an interesting year. The dates at which these Bishops reach the age of retirement.Los Angeles CA
2011 Feb
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Abp. George Niederauer
San Francisco CA
2011 Jun
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Bp. Edward Kmiec
Buffalo NY
2011 Jun
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Bp. Donald Trautman
Erie PA
2011 Jun
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Bp. Tod Brown
Orange CA
2011 Nov
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On 07, 01, 2005- Young Catholics were threatened with arrest for their silent protest of the inauguration of the new LA mayor in the LA CATHEDRAL !!! The mayor is a "pro-abortion ‘Catholic’ " and considers himself a ‘strong Catholic’. The Cardinal seemingly approves of him. The Cardinal officiated at a mass in which Buddhist, Jewish, Muslim and Native America rituals were performed alongside Catholic rites, and all kinds of pro-abortion dignitaries were present. It was practically an endorsement of a watered-down ‘Catholic’ faith that appeals to the moral relativist in which abortion is a healthy lifestyle choice and to which the Cardinal seemed to give his approval.
Fr. Sparks from a workshop given at Mahony’s notorious West Coast Religious Ed Conference (I think 2001 - there was a march 2001 article on it in The Wanderer.) He talks about Joseph wanting to “jump on Mary’s bones” and that Jesus and Mary Magdalen might have necked and petted a little.
What about that shameful letter he wrote questioning the Eucharist, which Mother Angelica protested, and then asked Rome to punish Mother Angelica?
What planet have you been on?
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Frommi, Lets see, Edwina Gatley is a speaker this year she is for women priests she also hates the The Church especially The Holy Father and wants to change the Teachings . Here are more speakers for this year . Dr. Tom Beaudoin he preaches moral relativism. Rev Patrick Brennan he preaches for women priests. Fran Ferder teaches all kinds of sexual acts are fine. Julian Filochowski teaches marxism is the way to go. Keynote speaker Jim Wallis he is a protestant minsiter who is also a marxist. Fr. Fragomini leans to the new age along with Fr. Richard Rohr who performs retreats for men who take off their clothes and run naked, he also performed a homosexual wedding ceremony. This is just a tiny list from the big list of the speakers who promote dissent from the Church and heretical teachings to thousands of uneducated and innocent Catholics. If you are not satisfied check out The Cafeteria Is Closed there is some info there on The Los Angeles Religious Education Congress sponsored by Roger Cardinal Mahony and Bishop Tod Brown of the Diocese of Orange which will be hosting it in his diocese of Orange in the city of Anahiem at the Anahiem Convention Center. You can also go to The Los Archdiocese website link under Congress 2007 pull up the speakers list and google their names there you have total access to what they themselves believe and preach. Every Catholic who is outraged about the dissent happening in the church needs to do research and then join the group who stands outside every year to pray and protest the going ons at this “Congress”. For that info check out Concerned Roman Catholics of America website. Evil flourishes because good men do nothing to stop it ! Don’t be blind about it . We as laity have the right and duty to stop it! Prayer and fasting and a good public demonstration is a great receipe!
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**Haugen, Marty, **(currently on his second Protestant demonination).
Looks like they’re saluting Hitler!
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frommi
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Good lord…
Do you realize you’ve just compared a prince of the Church to Hitler?
I mean, are there any bounds here in how the church operates.
Cardinal Mahony is someone who elects the Pope for crying out loud!
There should be a modicum of respect for the man
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frommi
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Earth…more than I can say for your current musings from the ozone.
There was no ‘shameful letter questioning the eucharist’…there was a letter promoting a fuller celebration of the eucharist.
And if memory serves, Mother Angelica went on tv and told people to disobey Cardinal Mahony.
You’re only telling half the story there.
Another point…from an objective point…what is wrong with someone saying that a Cardinal has a defective view of sexuality? I mean, truly…what is wrong with that from an academic perspective?
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God does allow free will—so a “prince of the Church” can indeed kick the Holy Spirit to the curb.
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frommi
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Interesting…the same people who say that the pope is chosen by the holy spirit now say the Cardinals have free will…which is it?
So…if I have this right…by exercising free will Cardinal Mahony has exorcised the holy spirit from all of southern California…thus rendering himself to all who would worship him as a modern day Hitler…
Does anyone else see the problems with the line of thought being presented in this thread?
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I would surely hope----no one—is “worshipping” this Card.—in any way or form.
The only problem that I see—is your belief that a bishop or Card.—cannot do wrong because they are “princes”.
Arias-----took many bishops into heresy. For this to happen–these bishops did kick the Holy Spirit to the curb.
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And if a Cardinal sends a letter dissenting on Catholic doctrine we are not under obligation to obey it are we?
From Mother Angelica book by Raymond Arroyo.
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“Rearing back in her chair, waving her right hand in the air for emphasis, she said, ‘In fact the cardinal of California is teaching that it’s bread and wine before the Eucharist and after the Eucharist. I’m afraid my obedience in that diocese would be absolutely zero.’ She touched her index finger to her thumb, making an O for effect, then delivered the clincher. “And I hope everybody else’s in that diocese is zero. But I mean you just kind of have to ask yourself…” And she continued on as if nothing extraordinary had happened. But it had.”
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“What she considered its soft-pedaling of transubstantiation – the teaching that the bread and wine of the alter, once consecrated, become the actual Body and Blood of Jesus Christ – angered Angelica.”
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a fax to Mother Angelica
“For you to state publicly on television that I do not believe in the Real Presence is astounding and reprehensible and calls for an immediate clarification and apology from you”, the outraged Mahony wrote. “For you to call into question my own belief in the Real Presence is without precedence. To compound the matter, your call for my people to offer zero obedience to their shepard is unheard of and shocking.”
You know, Mother Angelica gave a point by point critique of the entire letter from Cardinal Mahony on Nov 18, 1997 Frommi!!! Which makes your statement Protestant in every sense of the word! Listen to the show yourself and you’ll find out why Mother Angelica was so upset with this ‘pastoral letter’ of Mahony’s. Given your fetid mental wonderings sttop shooting your mouth off and get your facts straight. You’re living in denial and when I show pity on someone I mean it. Showing pity on someone is called showing mercy on the sinner.
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Exactly.
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Let’s say that in 2011 the regignations of Brown, Mahoney etc are accepted and orthodox replacements are appointed.
Those poor archbishops and bishops will have enormous Augean Stables to clean out and entrenched bureaurocricies (sp/) to deal with. They will need our prayers and patience. We will have to applaud any small improvements and give them positive feedback and not expect them to whip out their magic wand and have an orthodox diocese overnight.
Those poor archbishops and bishops will have enormous Augean Stables to clean out and entrenched bureaurocricies (sp/) to deal with. They will need our prayers and patience. We will have to applaud any small improvements and give them positive feedback and not expect them to whip out their magic wand and have an orthodox diocese overnight.
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frommi
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I’m not exactly sure where my sin is here that I require your mercy…not agreeing with bones on a message board isn’t something I recall learning in the ten commadments as a problem.
I do find it humorous that in the thread there are issues with a speaker who had an objection to a teaching of Cardinal Ratzinger…but when Mother Angelica objects to something taught by Cardinal Mahony…that’s a different story.
Both women…both objecting to cardinals points of view…one is a heretic…and one is not…one has theological background…and one does not.
Care to explain to me why the non-thelogian should be taken more seriously here?
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