2014 US Election Open Thread

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stinkcat_14 said:
No more speculative than what Obama would have done had he been in power. The one thing we can agree on though, is that it is definitely immoral to start a war and make someone else pay for it.
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LOL, so it’s clear you are not a fan of history.
In general, the losing side always pays for the war.
The fact that the US has not extracted tributes when victor is hardly immoral in my opinion.
 
didymus said:
Well, the midterms are over, God be praised but now the two-year Presidential campaign will start [groan].
Can we come up with a better system? Maybe a “Hunger Games” contest to choose nominees instead of primaries? Or a national lottery to pick the President? I’m open to suggestions.
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To get the Prez 2 yr election started, I just completed an online interactive Electoral map. And even IF the Republicans were to take back all of these states: OH, VA, WI, IA, CO,& NV, Hillary is still elected POTUS with 270 Electoral votes. Of course in that scenario she would have to win FL. But considering Rick Scott has won 2 Gubernatorial elections there with less than half the vote and by merely 1% each time and Barack Obama won FL twice, that’s not out of the question.
 
Theo520 said:
LOL, so it’s clear you are not a fan of history.
In general, the losing side always pays for the war.
The fact that the US has not extracted tributes when victor is hardly immoral in my opinion.
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It is immoral that those who were not born when the decision was made or not able to vote when the decision was made will have pay for a war that someone else obligated them to pay for.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
No more speculative than what Obama would have done had he been in power. The one thing we can agree on though, is that it is definitely immoral to start a war and make someone else pay for it.
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We know Obama wanted to start a war in Syria and in fact, bombed Libya. He did so in Libya I believe without Congressional approval.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
If Obama was in power in 2003, would the republicans in Congress allowed him to start a war and make future generations pay for it?
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Looking at Obama’s war on Libya, his support for Morsi, and his opposition to Al Sisi, I would say probably not, as Obama’s going to war in Iraq in 2003 would likely have been in support of Al Quaeda.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
I don’t see that Fox news is necessarily evil. Nor do I think Bush is any less incompetent than Obama. The point I raised however, is that Bush started a war and didn’t pay for it. That is not something that can be disputed. Nor is it praiseworthy.
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Future generations are going to be paying through the nose for a lot of things in which they had no say. That’s also something that can’t be disputed, nor is it praiseworthy.

The Bush fixation at this point is just… odd.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
It is immoral that those who were not born when the decision was made or not able to vote when the decision was made will have pay for a war that someone else obligated them to pay for.
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Kinda like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid?

What government programs are pay as you go?

Peace

Tim
 
Sy_Noe said:
To get the Prez 2 yr election started, I just completed an online interactive Electoral map. And even IF the Republicans were to take back all of these states: OH, VA, WI, IA, CO,& NV, Hillary is still elected POTUS with 270 Electoral votes. Of course in that scenario she would have to win FL. But considering Rick Scott has won 2 Gubernatorial elections there with less than half the vote and by merely 1% each time and Barack Obama won FL twice, that’s not out of the question.
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It could be just as difficult as you say. However, Hillary supported Obamacare and the employer mandate has not yet kicked in. It might not be as unpopular as the individual part of it, but it might be. I don’t think she will be able to separate herself from that if it’s a total bomb.

Dems nowadays only have “I’ll give you presents that someone else will pay for” to work with for most voters. If Obamacare is increasingly seen as the ultimate poison present, it might not look very good for the Dems in 2016.
 
Orogeny said:
Kinda like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid?

What government programs are pay as you go?

Peace

Tim
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Don’t you realize comrade? Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are merely the government enforcing your obligation to serve others as that is the reason for your existence in the collective.

As for war against freedom fighters who kill civilians by ramming planes into buildings, we should never have fought it. The USA is an evil imperialist nation full of selfish apathetic individualists, it needs to be destroyed. So that true peace and equality can take place in a socialist collectivist utopia. :rolleyes:
 
Orogeny said:
Kinda like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid?

What government programs are pay as you go?

Peace

Tim
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Those are immoral programs as well, since they take from those who work and give to those who don’t work.
 
stinkcat_14 said:
Those are immoral programs as well, since they take from those who work and give to those who don’t work.
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Social Security is even worse. They forcibly take your money and invest it in bonds. They use those bonds to fund their pet projects. They then pay the interest on those bonds bought with your money by taking even more of your money from you.
 
DeniseNY said:
Future generations are going to be paying through the nose for a lot of things in which they had no say. That’s also something that can’t be disputed, nor is it praiseworthy.

The Bush fixation at this point is just… odd.
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I wouldn’t call it a fixation, in fact, I don’t think I even mentioned Bush, I think it was Estesbob who brought up Bush. All I said was that I didn’t think Bush was less incompetent than Obama. Is that a fixation. Am I supposed to ignore it when others bring up Bush?
 
Mitch McConnell is an Obama appeasing Republican. Having him in a majority leadership position will be a disaster for the nation.
 
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