2016 Polls: Republican Candidate

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I would like to see Ben Carson as surgeon general or perhaps a US Senator. His life is an amazing American success story of hard work and persistence. What a powerful contrast to the Democrat message of reliance on the government. He is admired by so many people - and rightly so. That said, he wouldn’t be a serious candidate any more than Herman Cain was. You need to hold elective office to run for president - unless you led the Union army in the Civil war to victory, or were the Supreme Commander of Allied Forces during WW2.

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I agree.

I suspect the 2016 primaries in both parties will be more wide open that anticipated. On the GOP side I believe there will be a number of legitimate candidates who are not yet on the radar screen of most pundits. And on the Democratic side, I do not believe Clinton is the inevitable nominee, just as I did not believe she was inevitable in 2008.
 
Jindal is brilliant. Walker took on the whole liberal establishment in Wisconsin and survived the recall. I think a walker/jindal ticket would be formidable.

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I don’t think they are viable candidates, except for perhaps the conservative element in this country. From my experience, many of my friends who are republicans view both as too extreme to be President; they feel a republican who is more moderate along the lines of a Romney-type candidate stands a better chance of winning in 2016.🙂
 
Well, according to some posters, Attila the Hun would be pro-life compared to Obama. Just my observation.
Which posters and which posts? It was asserted that Romney wasn’t pro-life because of what he said and did back as governor of Mass in the 90’s. Yet I and a few other posters pointed out that the pro-life movement was strongly supportive of Romney in 2012, that he picked Paul Ryan as running mate, and Robert Bork to advise on judicial picks. Now - either all three are stupid - dupes. Or they are traitors . That is the only choice you have if you think that Romney was not the only real pro-life choice in the general election in 2012. I don’t think they were either - I think rather that they were being realistic.

There are some who seem to think that one must be 100% in line with Catholic teaching in order to be considered pro-life. I think Romney wasn’t. But in terms of conversions, I find that it is not often a case of doing a 180 degree turn but a gradual one. Our country is not Ireland or the Philippines - we are not majority Catholic, even if we are overall Christian (still). So perhaps its unrealistic to expect the nominee to completely agree with the Catholic teaching on everything. One thing I do believe: whereas Obama pursued policies in direct opposition to Catholic teaching, Romney I think would have pursued policies that were closer to Catholic teaching, if not quite there. I hope this makes since. Let me know if my logic is skewed, etc.

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I don’t think they are viable candidates, except for perhaps the conservative element in this country. From my experience, many of my friends who are republicans view both as too extreme to be President; they feel a republican who is more moderate along the lines of a Romney-type candidate stands a better chance of winning in 2016.🙂
Well, as others have pointed out - we have nominated two moderates the past elections and both lost. Yet we’re to believe that the 3rd times the charm?

On what issues are Walker and Jindal too extreme? Is it Walker’s insistence that we balance our budgets? Jindal’s insistence that the status quo on education is unacceptable? I wonder if your friends really have looked at the issues or are their impressions based on what the media reports? Regarding Walker, if he wins his re-election, he would be the candidate that was successful in a blue-purple state, along with Chris Christie. Can’t say that for Jeb Bush or Romney.

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Well, as others have pointed out - we have nominated two moderates the past elections and both lost.  Yet we're to believe that the 3rd times the charm?
The past two moderates did fine until they said things that turned the general public off to them. This happens on both sides and the media publicizes it to the point where people start to look at other options.
On what issues are Walker and Jindal too extreme? Is it Walker’s insistence that we balance our budgets? Jindal’s insistence that the status quo on education is unacceptable? I wonder if your friends really have looked at the issues or are their impressions based on what the media reports? Regarding Walker, if he wins his re-election, he would be the candidate that was successful in a blue-purple state, along with Chris Christie. Can’t say that for Jeb Bush or Romney.

Ishii
Walker is anti union for starters and is perceived (right or wrong) as coming across as being arrogant; additionally Walker favors extreme cuts in social services which could affect not only low income people but seniors as well… Jindal supports chemical castration for convicted sex predators, supports capital punishment for rapists and murderers, supports charter schools being run by faith-based organizations and the list goes on and on. For many this is viewed as being too extreme.
 
I don’t think they are viable candidates, except for perhaps the conservative element in this country. From my experience, many of my friends who are republicans view both as too extreme to be President; they feel a republican who is more moderate along the lines of a Romney-type candidate stands a better chance of winning in 2016.🙂
Someone who states support of one of the biggest votes in the USA supporting the extermination of the unborn through their vote is calling for the Republicans not to elect an extremist!:?
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Seriously.
 
The past two moderates did fine until they said things that turned the general public off to them. This happens on both sides and the media publicizes it to the point where people start to look at other options.

Walker is anti union for starters and is perceived (right or wrong) as coming across as being arrogant; additionally Walker favors extreme cuts in social services which could affect not only low income people but seniors as well… Jindal supports chemical castration for convicted sex predators, supports capital punishment for rapists and murderers, supports charter schools being run by faith-based organizations and the list goes on and on. For many this is viewed as being too extreme.
And the demonization begins
 
Someone who states support of one of the biggest votes in the USA supporting the extermination of the unborn through their vote is calling for the Republicans not to elect an extremist!:?
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Seriously.
I always love it when liberals lecture Republicans on who they should nominate .
 
And the demonization begins
Yep. I was going to post that it doesn’t matter how “moderate” a candidate is nominated by the GOP. They will be an extremist by the times the Left and their media get done with them.
 
I always love it when liberals lecture Republicans on who they should nominate .
Governor Walker should look to Michigan, Unions have made Detroit such a great city, or look to New York/New Jersey where a Mafia-bust a few years ago, showed organized crime was still a factor in the Unions of that area.

I’ve heard stats that Unions are really dropping. Oh, sure, we want the taxpayers of Wisconsin to be supporting a Union of Teachers who in some cases make twice as much as they do and were holding out over a slight blip in their insurance policies, whatever that was about.

Good to sell one’s vote and one’s soul.
 
Yep. I was going to post that it doesn’t matter how “moderate” a candidate is nominated by the GOP. They will be an extremist by the times the Left and their media get done with them.
Except the people I spoke with are all registered republicans. 🙂
 
Except the people I spoke with are all registered republicans. 🙂
So? Reminds me of the famous comment by the Manhattanite socialite after Nixon’s victory in 1972. “I can’t believe he won, nobody I know voted for him.”
 
Yes, RGCheek, I am familiar with the litany of excuses trotted out by the true believers to rationalize abandoning the only guy who could put a stop to all the things Obama was doing to our country.
Put a stop to ‘all the things’; which things like Romneycare, I mean Obamacare, like pulling the rug out from under the pro-life movement like he did in Mass where he said he was privately a pro-lifer but did not support making it illegal? Nancy Pelosi is that ‘pro-life’. He also passed laws restricting gun rights and cleared the way for gay marriage when he could have stopped it.

No, Romney would not have stopped anything Obama has been doing, instead he would have consolidated Obamas changes.
So you didn’t like Romney because of what he said/did in 1994 in Massachusetts. I did like what Romney was saying/doing circa 2012. Two of the things he did was to pick Paul Ryan as his running mate and pick Robert Bork to advise on his judicial policy.
So rhetoric and symbolic gestures replace actual historical laws passed and things DONE in real life?
But he was secretly doing the bidding of Planned Parenthood. Right. :eek:
Straw man; sad to see.
Yes, as we know, Robert Bork is the favorite of the abortion lobby. And Paul Ryan is/was secretly pro-choice too or he really didn’t care about abortion. Or he was stupid.
AS if the VP really has the power to affect policy, yeah, right.
That is what you have to believe in order to believe that Romney was pro-abortion or would have pursued pro-abortion policies while president.
I posted what I believed and it was nothing like that. Are these misrepresentations of what I have said purposeful and deliberate?

All one has to believe is that Romney finds abortion personally immoral but one of those things that he thinks he cannot force on others by law and thus opposes making it illegal.

That is not pro-life, btw.
You also have to believe the pro-life movement is corrupt and doesn’t care about ending legal abortion.
You don’t have to believe anything of the kind. Pro-Lifers are using the same logic that you are; better a lesser evil than a full evil. But if we can change the choice from the lesser of two evil then why don’t we? Voting for the lesser evil is still voting FOR evil and I don’t do that any more and millions of others agree with me.
Ultimately the true believers have to believe that anyone who disagrees with them is either a closet progressive, a dupe, or doesn’t care. Yes - as I said earlier, some are not quite in touch with reality. (political reality).
Wow, now I am a true believer?

No, there is a wide range of people that take bad positions on crucial issues. They are likely nice people and the sort of good people that can go and vote for millions more babies to be killed within the womb just because they don’t think of it as that. They think the baby was prevented from ever being born and so it wasn’t murder. Then there are the nice people who don’t want to keep anyone from hunting deer, but why does anyone need a hand gun, etc. That is fine and dandy and all for a private person…but I will never vote for them for office.

The GOP is telling me I need to broaden my views as they broaden the tent. NO I don’t.

I will vote for the candidates that agree with my crucial issues and get the majority right on other issues, but I will not vote for a gun grabber, or a baby killer, or a Big government conservative or anyone who wants to let gay marriage remain the law where the courts have forced it on the public.

Too bad so sad, I will go elsewhere as will millions of other people just like me, so-called ‘Values Voters’. Those are the issues I find most important and I wont vote GOP just because the guy isn’t a Democrat.

Why is that so hard for you to understand and repeat back to me as I have stated it instead of engaging in repeated straw man rebutals to what I have never said?
But don’t worry about it. I think you should either stay at home or vote for Virgil Goode or Howard Phillips so you can feel right about who you voted for. Leave the fighting against the secular leftists to those who understand what is at stake and know who the enemies and friends really are.

Ishii
Again, I am not going to vote for a third party. I put a lot of effort into supporting the Liberterian Party, but when they had the chance to do some things in several states they remained silent and passed on the opportunity. The same goes for Ron Paul who could have contested Romney for Virginia back in 2012 and he totally ignored his opportunity and did not take advantage of several situations.

I wont vote for losers that are happy to lose year after year after year and never rock the boat.

But if Palin, Huckabee, and others form a rival ‘Values Voter’ type of party and hook up with the Tea Party, I am in. The GOP is worse than useless as an opposition party and they have proven that by their inaction with regard to Obama’s rule by EO.
 
Yep. I was going to post that it doesn’t matter how “moderate” a candidate is nominated by the GOP. They will be an extremist by the times the Left and their media get done with them.
And the GOP partisans do the same thing to the Democratic nominees as well.

When an independent comes along he gets it from BOTH sides in a partisan cross fire!

When I remember what they did to Ross Perot’s reputation, I cringe at the lack of honesty in our press that that whole thing displayed.
 
And the GOP partisans do the same thing to the Democratic nominees as well.

When an independent comes along he gets it from BOTH sides in a partisan cross fire!

When I remember what they did to Ross Perot’s reputation, I cringe at the lack of honesty in our press that that whole thing displayed.
Yes. Thankfully, the “independents” don’t demonize anyone. They are above all that. 😉 😛
 
Yes. Thankfully, the “independents” don’t demonize anyone. They are above all that. 😉 😛
Well, whether they would or not is beside the point; they don’t have the resources of the two major parties who each have their own networks of pundits and journalists to form the firing squads.

A lot of good pundits have disappeared because they wont join one party or the other and become partisan, from Phylis Schaffly to Paul Craig Roberts and Joseph Sobran.

Maybe they will network with a major third party effort but I doubt it.

Some people just wont sell out.
 
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