T
Thal59
Guest
I knew a man who became an atheist, but gave it up after one year because their were no holidays.
- Status
S
Scullinius
Guest
Sure they were. Nazism, Communism, and socialism are all religions – false, evil religions, but religions nonetheless.
M
maendem
Guest
Overheard: “Thank God I’m an atheist!”
W
wcknight
Guest
One of the predictions from Medjugore is that at some point God would give everyone an one on one interview of sorts, similar to the personal judgement just after death.
So seeing one’s life in perspective and having been warned that if they continue of the same path, Hell is their eternal destiny, would an atheist change their mind or just chalk it up to a bad nightmare or daydream ??
wc
IF today you hear His voice, harden not your hearts.
So seeing one’s life in perspective and having been warned that if they continue of the same path, Hell is their eternal destiny, would an atheist change their mind or just chalk it up to a bad nightmare or daydream ??
wc
IF today you hear His voice, harden not your hearts.
C
caroljm36
Guest
Then you are using “religion” metaphorically and confusing it with irrationality. If only the state has authority, there is no higher authority to which one can appeal. The Nazis and Soviets certainly did not recognize any other authority than their own. Nazism and Communism had irrationality at their core, e.g. the belief in racial purity or the dictatorship of the proletariat, but that does not make them true religions in any recognizable sense.
To use the term religion in this sense robs it of any meaning.
B
Brain
Guest
Relived Athiest, " Thank dumb luck!"
B
BlestOne
Guest
OK…novel thought…
All the atheists out there have to work on Christmas, Easter and Good Friday…so that us “stupid” christians can celebrate. Bet that will make them convert since it is all about them and their selfishness.
That reminds me of my teenage years (a very long time ago in a land far far away) when the public school I attended was right across the street from the Catholic Church. If you had parental consent you could go to mass on the first Friday of the month…you can’t imagine how many kids “became” Catholic to get out of school!
waaaaa haaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaa
All the atheists out there have to work on Christmas, Easter and Good Friday…so that us “stupid” christians can celebrate. Bet that will make them convert since it is all about them and their selfishness.
That reminds me of my teenage years (a very long time ago in a land far far away) when the public school I attended was right across the street from the Catholic Church. If you had parental consent you could go to mass on the first Friday of the month…you can’t imagine how many kids “became” Catholic to get out of school!
waaaaa haaaaaaaaa haaaaaaaaa
T
turboEDvo
Guest
Stevereeno said:
Yeah, that is quite possibly one of the more intelligent comments I have ever heard in my life. You got me convinced, I’m converting to Atheism.
I might as well say “I drive the CA-2 freeway to school every day, and the trash clean up is sponsored by Athiests United. Therefore, God doesn’t exist.” Yep, uh-huh, sounds like a plan to me. Come get me when the Pope tells me that God is just a hoax, then maybe I will listen.
Eamon
S
sweetchuck
Guest
I saw on a recent Simpsons rerun that explained that April Fools’ Day was originally a pagan holiday…
Homer: “God bless those pagans.”
A
AnAtheist
Guest
john doran:
I hope he was. But as there enough people out there, who actually think that way, I am not sure…
J
john_doran
Guest
yeah, you may be right.
i think he was joking because his “proof” was no less ridiculous than the 21 atheist “proofs” that began this thread.
S
SpiritIsWilling
Guest
Hey Stevereeno, to take a wild guess, I’d say you are a conceited pig. The fact that you think you, an insignificant person, have the power to command God, boggles my mind.
Oh, and by the way, most of your “Proofs” are your own opinion, therefore, they hold absolutley no weight with me.
Oh, and by the way, most of your “Proofs” are your own opinion, therefore, they hold absolutley no weight with me.
S
Stevereeno
Guest
Maybe even a conceited Catholic pig. Check out my profile.
I don’t think I could even command you, another insignificant person, to recognize sarcasm when you see it.
When I started this thread, I was confident that no person here could read the “21 proofs” and also take them the slightest bit serious. I was wrong. I have learned my lesson.
T
turboEDvo
Guest
It seems to me that some here fail to see the true rediculosity (yes, I made up the word on purpose) of there proofs. I think they are rather hilarious (though at the same time, the future does not bode well for humanity if more people jump on that bandwagon 
)
Eamon
)Eamon
A
AnAtheist
Guest
Actually, some of them are quite rational. They are only presented in a distorted and ridiculous form.It seems to me that some here fail to see the true rediculosity (yes, I made up the word on purpose) of there proofs. I think they are rather hilarious (though at the same time, the future does not bode well for humanity if more people jump on that bandwagon
T
turboEDvo
Guest
Most of them are simply false cause and effect statements. The cause shows nothing at all about the existance of God (except possibly the ones regarding suffering and sin, and all those do is open a dialogue, they prove nothing). I simply do not see the rationale in these arguments.
Which of the reasons presented are quite rational? I have heard plenty of reasonable arguments that attempt to negate the existance of God, and none of them are listed here.
Eamon
A
AnAtheist
Guest
from the OP’s counting:
- Omnipotence and omniscience are mathematically impossible. Thus an omnipotent and/or omniscient god cannot exist. (If you trust mathematics there that is.)
2.+5. Mankind has always looked for supernatural explanations of what could not be explained otherwise (naturally). So far a great deal of things can be explaned naturally that were in ealier times explained by divine influence. There is no reason to assume, that we will never explain the last few things we do cannot explain yet in the same manner.
3.+19. This is indeed a good point. I was wondering about that, ever since I could think for myself. Even when I still believed, there might be some form of divine power. Many religions claim to hold the one and only absolute truth. In many cases parts of that truth were proven wrong. This leads to the assumption (not the final conclusion), that something is wrong with the whole religion business. To what religion one belongs is mainly due to the environment, i.e. where one lives and what the parents teach him. No clue to what’s really TRUE. - The theodicy problem. One cannot conclude, that there is no god at all of course, but it indicates that the Christian image of God is somewhat wrong.
- The bible is not a reliable source of information. Some things stated there are historically correct, some are not, and it contradicts itself in many cases. To claim it is the source for the absolute truth is outright ridiculous. Same applies for other religious writings.
J
jeffreedy789
Guest
can you demonstrate this, or provide a link that does?
the rest of your points are negligible, i think. but this one intrigues me.
J
jimmy
Guest
You are going to have to explain how this is proven in mathematics. It is impossible to prove. Because you can not understand omniscient or omnipotent, certainly does not mean it is impossible. Several of the greatest mathematicians in history have been Christians, for example Newton was a devout Christian. I highly doubt you have the mathematical genius of Newton.
A
AnAtheist
Guest
Assume a set of all things, that can be known. You can then construct a power set of that set (i.e. knowing, that you know all). That power set has more elements than the original set, thus the original set could not include *all *knowable things. q.e.d.
Furthermore you get contradictions when you make self-referencing statements like the one with the stone. Russel’s antinomy is another good example. Or the work of Gödel.
- Status