21 reasons to be an Atheist

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eptatorata:
Which Aleph order is god supposed to be? Can god be infinitely infinite?
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god isn’t a set.
 
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AnAtheist:
We had the example with the rock.

…or an omnipotent god could terminate his own existence

…or create another god with equal powers. Would he then be able to defend himself against that other omnipotent god, if that one wants to terminate his (the first one) existence? If no he is obviously not omnipotent, if yes the other is not omnipotent, thus the first one was not able to create an omnipotent god… …
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sure. but being omnipotent doesn’t entail being able to perform logically impossible actions.

basically, the sentences you use to describe the contradictory so-called “actions” do not express propositions, which means that they are neither true nor false. which makes them beside the point.
 
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jeffreedy789:
i don’t. what’s the irony? they’re pointing out that if some of the greatest mathematicians we’ve ever had were christians, and christians know that there is an omniscient God, then the two concepts must not be mutually exclusive.
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Newton was a smart guy. Newton was a Christian. Therefore God exists.

If you put it that way, it looks as stupid as the compiled list. There is the irony.
 
Like terminating his own existence?
Like creating other gods like him?
Like creating a universe not exposed to the influence of any god including himself?
Like creating mathematics disproving his own existence?
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cs lewis pointed out the absurdity of this argument. nonsense, he says, does not cease to be nonsense just because we put ‘God can’ in front of it.

however, your list is an intriguing one, because many of the ‘impossible’ things that you’ve listed, God has done.

how can the eternal God die? (terminate His own existence, you called it) yet Jesus was God, and He did die.

again, lewis would argue that God DOES make us into gods - and every christian will tell you that He is making us like Him - for we will see Him as He is.

creating a universe not exposed to His influence - you really think He COULDN’T do that? whether or not He HAS is another question. it’s not a matter of having DONE these things. it’s a matter of being ABLE to do these things. if we grant that God can create a universe, surely we can imagine one (even with our silly little brains) in which He does not interfere.

God DID create a rock bigger than He could lift - He made mountains, and Jesus could not lift them.

how can the eternal God be born? yet He did - Jesus was born, and Jesus was God.

and, as i’ve pointed out already, math does not prove God doesn’t exist - only the misuse of math - which also disproves that 2+2=4.
 
Newton was a smart guy. Newton was a Christian. Therefore God exists
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it’s not a syllogism. it’s a reason to put doubt (which can damn the soul) aside and believe.
 
john doran:
sure. but being omnipotent doesn’t entail being able to perform logically impossible actions.
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Ok, but why is creating another omnipotent being logically impossible?
 
who says He couldn’t? or hasn’t?

the church teaches that the love between the Father and the Son is what produces (eternally produces) the Holy Spirit. the Holy Spirit IS omnipotent. and He (the HS) is produced by God.
 
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AnAtheist:
Oh yes, that works with sets containing an infinite number of elements. btw there is a set of all integers.
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OK. Now, replace truths with integers in the original proof.

Assume the set of all integers. Also, assume the power set of all integers. Now, reduce the sets to finite sets as you did with the original proof. Thus, the power set contains more elements than the set of all integers.:hmmm: I don’t think we have proven anything with this.
 
  1. God can’t make a rock bigger than He can lift. Therefore, God does not exist.
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This is an intrinsic impossibility. First of all looking at the Luke chapter 1 the Angel Gabriel tells the Blessed Virgin Mary ….”for nothing is impossible with God.”

God is omnipotent, omniscience, and omnipresent. He is all-powerful. He is all-knowledgeable and is everywhere. He is past the farthest reaches of the universe. In order for God to create a rock that He cannot lift, that rock would have to be omnipresent. That rock would have to be continuous which is against its nature and it would cease to be a rock. Everything acts according to its nature even rocks. Can I jump off an 80-story building, start waving my arms up and down and hope to fly? No, it goes against my nature. Can I butt heads with a charging bull and hope to survive? No, its goes against my nature. Can a bull eat rice with chopsticks? No, it’s against his nature. Just because God cannot do things that go against His nature do not prove He does not exist. God also acts according to His nature. Lying is against God’s nature as a lie goes against love and God is Love. God cannot deceive as it is against his Nature.

Can these people draw a square circle or a four-sided triangle? No, those are intrinsic impossibilities. It’s the same thing with question number one. But looking at it another way. That question demands a negative (-) and a positive (+) answer. What do you get when you have –1+1. The answer is zero and another word for zero is nothing and as stated above by Luke " nothing is impossible with God."
 
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Stevereeno:
OK. Now, replace truths with integers in the original proof.

Assume the set of all integers. Also, assume the power set of all integers. Now, reduce the sets to finite sets as you did with the original proof. Thus, the power set contains more elements than the set of all integers.:hmmm: I don’t think we have proven anything with this.
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this is actually one of the principle theorems of set theory: the power set of an infinite set has a greater cardinality than the infinite set.
 
Just because God cannot do things that go against His nature do not prove He does not exist.
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no, it only proves that He’s not omnipotent.
 
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jeffreedy789:
no, it only proves that He’s not omnipotent.
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not even that much: it proves only that those things are logically impossible.
 
  1. There are no absolute truths (except that God does not exist). Therefore, God does not exist.
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If you say that there are no absolute truths, then this statement is not true. It is self-defeating. This is a contradiction in itself. .
 
no, it only proves that He’s not omnipotent.
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You cannot jump naked off an 80-story building and expect to fly, therefore YOU do not exist…
 
  1. There are many different religions. All of them can’t be correct, but all of them could be wrong. Therefore, God does not exist.
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Every human on earth has a different opinion. All of those opinions can’t be correct, but all of them could be wrong. Therefore humanity does not exist.
 
  1. Many smart people are Atheists. I am smart. Therefore, God does not exist.
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and
  1. The Bible doesn’t make sense to me. Therefore, God does not exist.
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Another contradiction on these two.
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"I am smart?":whacky:
With statements like these, you gotta be joking? What a maroon!!!😃
 
john doran:
this is actually one of the principle theorems of set theory: the power set of an infinite set has a greater cardinality than the infinite set.
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Nevertheless, the conclusion is absurd.

“Thus, the power set contains more elements than the set of all integers.”

You can only make this statement for finite sets.
 
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