23 Ways to Identify a Faithful Parish

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solanus:
Who left?? I hope not Father Rykowski (sp?) ???

I work in troy and decided to start trying to make daily Mass. The best option for me was a noon mass and St C-M was the closest and best option for me. I went to Fahter Rykowski for confession my first time there and I can honestly say he is the best confessor I have ever been allowed to meet with. I have not been in two weeks and planned on getting there today at least for confession…
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That’s my parish. What is his first name? I’m still learning all the names.
 
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Prometheum_x:
In my estimation, pretty much all 23 of those characteristics are found in my parish. Not bad for a conservative, traditional, charismatic parish with a Lifeteen program. . .
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With lifeteen, AND charismatics?? Are you certain it is Catholic??? ROMAN Catholic???😛 . 🙂
 
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Prometheum_x:
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I’m pretty sure that Katherine was referring to a particular group of white people at a particular parish with a particular priest. In that case, it would be a reference to a socio-economic class segment of the parish. That is hardly racist, unless it is also racist to speak critically of the white people who comprise the KKK.
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Change the word white to black and tell me it is an acceptable notion.
 
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Change the word white to black and tell me it is an acceptable notion.
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Yes, for in such a case as that there is a high degree of correlation between the skin color and the culture, making skin color a useful description for referring to the culture.

Ultimately, aside from the initial shock that some might have upon first seeing someone that has significantly different physical features, racism has very little to do with skin color. It is about culture.

I saw this in the public highschool I went to where the population was about 50% black. There was a certain amount of segregation which seemed to occur almost naturally, but it was not cleanly divided along the lines of skin color. The highschool was fed by two middle schools, one on the east side of the city and one on the west side. The richer white kids from the west side hung out together along with the few rich black kids from the west side, the poorer white kids from the west side hung out together, the poorer white kids from the east side hung out together, and the same was true for the blacks. In general, nobody was rich coming from the east side.

The rich black kids who hung out with the rich white kids were in some ways seen by the poorer blacks as traitors - traitors to their way of life. They didn’t live the same way the other blacks did. Some poorer white kids hung out with the black kids, but that was only insofar as they at least partially adopted elements of the black culture.

It was easy to see that these different groups had different ways of life. They talked a little different, wore different sorts of clothes, listened to different sorts of music, had different priorities in life, etc. The rich white kids didn’t care about the rich black kids who hung out with them, because they lived in a similar way. And the poor black kids didn’t mind the poor white kids who hung out with them for the same reason. Certainly there was blatant racism purely on the basis of skin color, but that wasn’t the cause of the sorts of divisions seen in the school population.

Skin-color based racism exists because skin color serves as symbol for “Different!”. Racism results from either our fear or inability to relate to a culture different from our own.
 
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katherine2:
Ahh, and the conservative heritage? What, they’ve evolved from active promotion of racism to denial racism exists?
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Were you a republican way back when?? They were considered the “liberals” back then…the democrats were in charge of Jim Crow South…Which party did you identify with???
 
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jlw:
Were you a republican way back when?? They were considered the “liberals” back then…the democrats were in charge of Jim Crow South…Which party did you identify with???
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Contrary to popular belief, I never dated Abe Lincoln. 😃
 
netmil(name removed by moderator):
That’s my parish. What is his first name? I’m still learning all the names.
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I’ve just checked the webpage - it is Valerian Rykowski…
 
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Franciscum:
Poppycock.

Making the language of the Sacramentary and Lectionary acceptable to the fetid and abominable desires of the sexist-feminist special interest just ain’t gonna happen, thanks be to God.

Even with the election of Bishop Donald Trautman as the chairman of the Bishops’ Committee on the Liturgy, the BCL will loose in a nasty train wreck with Mother Vatican if they try anything “progressive.”
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That’s Trautperson!
 
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PASCENDI:
That’s Trautperson!
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As author Sheldon Vanauken points out in his book Under the Mercy, there’s sexist language in “person” too! Person**. **So, it should be Trautperperson. . . oh darn. . . there’s that “son” word again!
 
Why list twenty-three ways to identify a faithful parish?

Why not just one way to identify a faithful parish?

My suggestion:

Find a parish that offers daily masses at 7 AM, AND ALSO at 8 AM if they have a school.

A parish that offers a 7 AM mass is a parish that offers mass to parishioners who work.

A parish that only offers an 8 AM mass often offers it mainly to captive parochial students.

If a mass at 7 AM is not well intended, it means that the priest is faithful. After years and years of faithful service, faithful priests tend to attract faithful parishioners.
 
Well you just about eliminated about 99% of the churches in the US
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I disagree…I know of at least 2 near me. I think that it probably depends on where you live, but our parish is great and so is St. Michael’s downtown.
 
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erasmus:
Why list twenty-three ways to identify a faithful parish?

Why not just one way to identify a faithful parish?

My suggestion:

Find a parish that offers daily masses at 7 AM, AND ALSO at 8 AM if they have a school.

A parish that offers a 7 AM mass is a parish that offers mass to parishioners who work.

A parish that only offers an 8 AM mass often offers it mainly to captive parochial students.

If a mass at 7 AM is not well intended, it means that the priest is faithful. After years and years of faithful service, faithful priests tend to attract faithful parishioners.
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Um… 7AM Mass is too late of a Mass for me to get to work by 8AM. Travel time in the morning is 30 minutes or so from the church.

I used to live in a diocese that my local parish had 6:30AM Masses… always very well attended. Makes a HUGE difference in my life – for the better!! – any time that I can celebrate Mass in the morning before I trek out to work.

Wish my local parish’s daily Masses started before 8:15 AM!! The only people who can do to daily Mass at my parish have to be retired or stay-at-home parents. I’m neither. Sigh.
 
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Prometheum_x:
Yes, for in such a case as that there is a high degree of correlation between the skin color and the culture, making skin color a useful description for referring to the culture.

Ultimately, aside from the initial shock that some might have upon first seeing someone that has significantly different physical features, racism has very little to do with skin color. It is about culture.

I saw this in the public highschool I went to where the population was about 50% black. There was a certain amount of segregation which seemed to occur almost naturally, but it was not cleanly divided along the lines of skin color. The highschool was fed by two middle schools, one on the east side of the city and one on the west side. The richer white kids from the west side hung out together along with the few rich black kids from the west side, the poorer white kids from the west side hung out together, the poorer white kids from the east side hung out together, and the same was true for the blacks. In general, nobody was rich coming from the east side.

The rich black kids who hung out with the rich white kids were in some ways seen by the poorer blacks as traitors - traitors to their way of life. They didn’t live the same way the other blacks did. Some poorer white kids hung out with the black kids, but that was only insofar as they at least partially adopted elements of the black culture.

It was easy to see that these different groups had different ways of life. They talked a little different, wore different sorts of clothes, listened to different sorts of music, had different priorities in life, etc. The rich white kids didn’t care about the rich black kids who hung out with them, because they lived in a similar way. And the poor black kids didn’t mind the poor white kids who hung out with them for the same reason. Certainly there was blatant racism purely on the basis of skin color, but that wasn’t the cause of the sorts of divisions seen in the school population.

Skin-color based racism exists because skin color serves as symbol for “Different!”. Racism results from either our fear or inability to relate to a culture different from our own.
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So, it is ok for Katherine to discriminate against affluent, Caucasian males? We can play with terms and definitions, but the sentiment that was expressed in the post is wrong. Call it what you will, the agenda is transparent.
 
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