24 hour days in Genesis?

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Catholics are free to understand the six days of Genesis as signifying six literal days or as a certain space of time. In accordance with this allowance, and the testimony of the Fathers, I hold the former position.

Question VIII: Whether in that designation and distinction of six days, with which the
account of the first chapter of Genesis deals, the word (dies) can be assumed either in its
proper sense as a natural day, or in the improper sense of a certain space of time;
and whether with regard to such a question there can be free disagreement among exegetes?

Reply: In the affirmative.

(Dz. 2128)
 
The approximate age of the universe 13.7 billion years. The earth formed roughly 4.5 billion years ago. Homo Sapiens appeared on the earth tens of thousands of years ago. It is acceptable to believe that the human body evolved over time (i.e. God used the evolutionary process to construct the human body). But at a single point in history, God ‘breathed’ a spiritual soul into a single set of human parents. We call these parents Adam and Eve. Therefore, a literal six day, 24-hour creation account is false. Science and religion do not contradict each other because God is the author of all truth. What your literalist friends do not realize is that they are partly responsible for the rapid increase in atheism. Many people leave Christianity because they view it as intellectually void. But of course it isn’t!

I would recommend watching the modules on this site:
magisreasonfaith.org/library/videos/

Module 12 is dedicated to this topic.
 
Yeah, I guess it’s true that you can take it literally or non-literally. The bible wasn’t made for a science class and it’s intent and purpose is to teach more important things than that. Same with the Galileo dispute, right?🙂
 
at a single point in history, God ‘breathed’ a spiritual soul into a single set of human parents. We call these parents Adam and Eve. Therefore, a literal six day, 24-hour creation account is false.
There are problems with this theory. What about Adam and Eve’s alleged parents? Were they not humans? What about Adam and Eve’s alleged siblings? Were they not humans? What about the descendants of these alleged non-humans that were related to Adam and Eve? Did they all just die off leaving only Adam and Eve’s descendants to populate the earth?

No one can answer the above questions without descending into contradictions and absurdities. Therefore I reject your theory.

As Catholics, we are allowed to abide by the interpretation of the majority of the Church Fathers and accept a six-day creation - or do you believe that the Magisterium (PBC 1909 document ratified by Pope St. Pius X) would allow us to believe something that has been proven false?

And regarding the Galileo affair, Galileo was wrong and the Church was right. The immobility and centrality of the earth has never been disproven. Of course, no Catholic is bound by the Magisterium to be a geocentrist, but neither does the Magisterium bind us to reject geocentrism, for then it would be contradicting the Magisterium of the 16th and 17th centuries, which was decidedly geocentrist.
 
The bible wasn’t made for a science class and it’s intent and purpose is to teach more important things than that.
Sure the Bible wasn’t made for a science class, as it does not get into scientific details or provide us with mathematical or chemical formulas. Whenever it comments on science, however, we can trust the information because the author of the Bible is the Holy Spirit, who created the universe and the laws of science.
 
See: ovrlnd.com/Apologetics/24hourdays.html

This one says that the seven days of creation. I don’t think I would encounter someone who would ask this, but here it is. Thanks a bunch!🎉
you can believe what you want but the bible itself contradicts this interpretation in a couple of places at least. For one thing the bible says many times God’s time is not our time. to limit God to man’s understanding, especially the primitive understanding of pre-history, is in my mind blasphemy plain and simple (this is personal opinion not church teaching.

And terrestrial time itself was not created until the 4th day when the planets and sun were created. The first 3 days cannot mean the 24 hours it takes for the Earth to revolve on its axis, nor could a year mean the time it takes for the sun to revolve around the earth, since they had not yet been created.

what is important in the genesis account is the order of creation, which science backs up more and more firmly the more it discovers. Both Einstein and Scripture agree: let there be light.
 
There are problems with this theory. What about Adam and Eve’s alleged parents? Were they not humans? What about Adam and Eve’s alleged siblings? Were they not humans? What about the descendants of these alleged non-humans that were related to Adam and Eve? Did they all just die off leaving only Adam and Eve’s descendants to populate the earth?

No one can answer the above questions without descending into contradictions and absurdities. Therefore I reject your theory.

As Catholics, we are allowed to abide by the interpretation of the majority of the Church Fathers and accept a six-day creation - or do you believe that the Magisterium (PBC 1909 document ratified by Pope St. Pius X) would allow us to believe something that has been proven false?

And regarding the Galileo affair, Galileo was wrong and the Church was right. The immobility and centrality of the earth has never been disproven. Of course, no Catholic is bound by the Magisterium to be a geocentrist, but neither does the Magisterium bind us to reject geocentrism, for then it would be contradicting the Magisterium of the 16th and 17th centuries, which was decidedly geocentrist.
Catholics must attempt to synthesize the creation account and the findings of modern science. I quoted the best scientific estimates for the ages of the universe and the earth in my earlier post. The Biblical account says something much different. Now, God is the author of all truth, so there can be no contradiction between the Faith and science. For a Catholic to hold to the literalistic six-day account found in Genesis, he would also have to believe in the philosophy of the double truths (i.e. that which is true in science is not necessarily true in religion, and vice versa). This worldview was condemned in the 13th century.

Now let me quote the Catechism: “Scripture presents the work of the Creator symbolically as a succession of six days of divine ‘work,’ concluded by the ‘rest’ of the seventh day” (CCC, 337). Like you mentioned, Catholics are free to believe in both a literalistic and symbolic account of creation. You are also correct in saying that a majority of the Fathers believed in the six-day account. However, the Fathers, while knowing a lot about the Faith, knew very little science. The Catechism is saying that the default position of the Church at this time is that the Genesis account is to be understood symbolically. Personally, I do not think it’s prudent to take the Genesis account literalistically as it can cause scandal to those in the scientific community and lead people away from the Faith.

I cannot respond to your comment about geocentrism and Galileo because I am speechless! But I will explain my position on Adam and Eve in a later post.
 
And terrestrial time itself was not created until the 4th day when the planets and sun were created. The first 3 days cannot mean the 24 hours it takes for the Earth to revolve on its axis, nor could a year mean the time it takes for the sun to revolve around the earth, since they had not yet been created.
This objection has been refuted many times. I will provide you with Fr. Haydock’s refutation:

“Ver. 3. Light. The sun was made on the fourth day, and placed in the firmament to distinguish the seasons, &c.; but the particles of fire were created on the first day, and by their, or the earth’s motion, served to discriminate day from the preceding night, or darkness, which was upon the face of the deep. (Haydock) — Perhaps this body of light might resemble the bright cloud which accompanied the Israelites, Exodus xiv. 19, or the three first days might have a kind of imperfect sun, or be like one of our cloudy days. Nothing can be defined with certainty respecting the nature of this primeval light. (Calmet)”
 
Genesis never used the word “day” to signify 24 hours. That’s just silly, and I’m an atheist! Genesis originally used the word “yom” which is Hebrew and is roughly translated into “periods”. It’s only an incorrect modernist interpretation that makes the assumption that Genesis was specifically talking about 24 hours.

I doubt any Catholic can believe God created the world in 6 24-hour days. If you are willing to take that stance, you are also willing to admit that Jesus had brothers/sisters based on the incorrect modernist interpretation of the Greek word “adonai”. And if you’re willing to believe that, you can’t be Catholic because that goes against the dogma that the Blessed Virgin Mary was “ever virgin” and conceived Jesus via the Holy Spirit.
 
The Catechism is saying that the default position of the Church at this time is that the Genesis account is to be understood symbolically. Personally, I do not think it’s prudent to take the Genesis account literalistically as it can cause scandal to those in the scientific community and lead people away from the Faith.

I cannot respond to your comment about geocentrism and Galileo because I am speechless! But I will explain my position on Adam and Eve in a later post.
It does not matter if the Catechism favours symbolic 6 days over literal 6 days since my point is that literal days can be believed by a Catholic and is the belief that enjoys more patristic support.

I think that most people are not led away from the faith (or never accept the faith) because they do not want to be restrained by Catholic morals. Their theological and philosophical objections are often pretexts for their love for sin.

You are just another person who has not read the relevant Church documents, patristic commentaries, and scientific literature and wants to ridicule geocentrism by saying that you are “speechless” or that “it is silly and absurd”. Instead, you should step down from your pedestal and debate it. Again, like a literal 6 days, you are not bound by the Church to believe in geocentrism but geocentrism enjoys support among the Fathers, Doctors and Popes and has never been disproven by any scientist.
 
Genesis never used the word “day” to signify 24 hours. That’s just silly, and I’m an atheist! Genesis originally used the word “yom” which is Hebrew and is roughly translated into “periods”. It’s only an incorrect modernist interpretation that makes the assumption that Genesis was specifically talking about 24 hours.

I doubt any Catholic can believe God created the world in 6 24-hour days. If you are willing to take that stance, you are also willing to admit that Jesus had brothers/sisters based on the incorrect modernist interpretation of the Greek word “adonai”. And if you’re willing to believe that, you can’t be Catholic because that goes against the dogma that the Blessed Virgin Mary was “ever virgin” and conceived Jesus via the Holy Spirit.
Your argument that my interpreting “yom” as “day” will lead me to reject the perpetual virginity of Mary is lacking in any logical soundness.

“Yom” can also be translated as “day”, and it is especially prudent to translate it as “day” when the “yom” is hedged in by evening and morning, as the author of Genesis does for all 6 "yom"s.
 
Your argument that my interpreting “yom” as “day” will lead me to reject the perpetual virginity of Mary is lacking in any logical soundness.
You claim my assertion lacks any logical soundness, but you don’t explain why it would be logically unsound. After all, the crux of mainstream Protestantism’s argument against the perpetual virginity of the Blessed Virgin Mary rests on the verses that speak of Jesus’ brothers and sisters. If you’re going to take a modern view of the word “yom”, you should equally take a modern view of the word “adonai”. I’m not the one who is being logically unsound as it is I’m pointing out your inconsistent methodology.
“Yom” can also be translated as “day”, and it is especially prudent to translate it as “day” when the “yom” is hedged in by evening and morning, as the author of Genesis does for all 6 "yom"s.
Even if we translated it as “day”, that doesn’t necessarily signify 24 hours. Different cultures have had different yardsticks on what constitutes a day, a week, a month and a year. The writers of Genesis were writing under a cultural context significantly different to ours. Not only that, but even as a believer, you know that God’s time is not the time of humans. Indeed, “my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts” (Isaiah 55:9). It took 400-450 years before God freed the Israelites from Egypt. God was silent to Mankind for 400 years, marking the gap between the Old Testament and the New Testament. It took about 72 generations before Jesus entered into the world. Nowhere in the Bible, from what I’ve read, does it show God as doing anything fairly rapidly. He tends to take His time. Thus, the scientific view of the creation of the universe fits perfectly with the way believers believe God has operated, does operate, and will continue to operate.
 
Nowhere in the Bible, from what I’ve read, does it show God as doing anything fairly rapidly. He tends to take His time.
Healings and other spontaneous miracles recorded in the N.T.?

And assuming for a moment that “yom” means “period,” then why didn’t God describe the sequence of creation the way Darwinism does? Would He lie about something like that? Also, you still haven’t explained the hedging in of “yom” by the “evening/day” phrase each time. All cultures live under the same sun and moon cycles, no?
 
If you’re going to take a modern view of the word “yom”, you should equally take a modern view of the word “adonai”. I’m not the one who is being logically unsound as it is I’m pointing out your inconsistent methodology.

Even if we translated it as “day”, that doesn’t necessarily signify 24 hours.
My methodology is to refer to pertinent magisterial texts that exegete specific passages in the Bible. The magisterial texts tell me that “adonai” is not to be interpreted in a literal sense, but that “yom” may be interpreted in either a literal or symbolic sense. What is so incosistent about my methodology?

We are in agreement - it does not necessarily signifiy 24 hour days. That is why the Magisterium has allowed Catholics to believe in literal days or symbolic days.
 
The approximate age of the universe 13.7 billion years. The earth formed roughly 4.5 billion years ago. Homo Sapiens appeared on the earth tens of thousands of years ago. It is acceptable to believe that the human body evolved over time (i.e. God used the evolutionary process to construct the human body). But at a single point in history, God ‘breathed’ a spiritual soul into a single set of human parents. We call these parents Adam and Eve. Therefore, a literal six day, 24-hour creation account is false. Science and religion do not contradict each other because God is the author of all truth. What your literalist friends do not realize is that they are partly responsible for the rapid increase in atheism. Many people leave Christianity because they view it as intellectually void. But of course it isn’t!

I would recommend watching the modules on this site:
magisreasonfaith.org/library/videos/

Module 12 is dedicated to this topic.
I would like to see the science that supports God putting a soul into any particular pair of human beings.

Peace,
Ed
 
The approximate age of the universe 13.7 billion years. The earth formed roughly 4.5 billion years ago. Homo Sapiens appeared on the earth tens of thousands of years ago. It is acceptable to believe that the human body evolved over time (i.e. God used the evolutionary process to construct the human body). But at a single point in history, God ‘breathed’ a spiritual soul into a single set of human parents. We call these parents Adam and Eve. Therefore, a literal six day, 24-hour creation account is false. Science and religion do not contradict each other because God is the author of all truth. What your literalist friends do not realize is that they are partly responsible for the rapid increase in atheism. Many people leave Christianity because they view it as intellectually void. But of course it isn’t!

I would recommend watching the modules on this site:
magisreasonfaith.org/library/videos/

Module 12 is dedicated to this topic.
Excellent! I couldn’t agree more. I have never had a problem with science and my strict belief in God. I never could understand the all or nothing mentality of some Protestants regarding science and religion. I can accept the Big Bang theory and evolution and am convinced that Science only further proves the existence of God and Intelligent Design. Thanks for sharing!
 
This objection has been refuted many times. I will provide you with Fr. Haydock’s refutation:

. Nothing can be defined with certainty respecting the nature of this primeval light. (Calmet)"
did you not read this part? yes light was created first but the mechanism for a 24 hour terrestrial day was not in place until the 4th day, ergo, the “day” in this account is God’s time, not a terrestrial day
 
did you not read this part? yes light was created first but the mechanism for a 24 hour terrestrial day was not in place until the 4th day, ergo, the “day” in this account is God’s time, not a terrestrial day
The point is that this light created on the first day served as the mechanism for a 24 hour terrestrial day until the sun, moon, and stars were created on the fourth day. Your conclusion that before the fourth day is God’s time and after the fourth day some other time is your personal opinion and has no basis in the Fathers or Doctors - unless you can provide me with even one quote from the F and D supporting your conclusion . . .
 
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