25 unarmed Whites and only 14 unarmed Blacks were fatally shot by police in 2019. Do the data suggest that police deserve an apology from those who vi

[otjm]

It does, when you limit the statistic to those in poverty.

the statistics are not from “those in poverty” they are all births, with no reference to poverty, wealth, or anything in between.

Again, control for poverty and you will find it is the same.

Actually, no - poverty is a lower common factor. But nice try; I understand it is the mantra of the liberal left, because they don’t want to get into the actual facts which do not fit their narrative.

 

[Anrakyr]

Otherwise this is just getting a repeat of prior statements with no factual evidence.

We can’t fix what we won’t acknowledge.

“Real mental health care” is a figment of your imagination.

And won’t get anywhere with talk like this.
Goodnight.

 

[VonDerTann]

Crime follows poverty.

–This is the sort of sweeping generality that is so vague as to be meaningless. When it’s really examined, it can be seen to be false.

“Crime follows poverty?” Well, what “crime” are we talking about? Murder? AFAIK there is no correlation between murder and poverty. Bank fraud? Money laundering? Cyber crime? Surely the same, and surely there is a lack of correlation between poverty and certain crimes (when was the last time you saw a poor person locked up for, say, money laundering?). So it all depends on what crime you’re talking about.

Further, the “crime follows poverty” also does not comport with Catholic teaching: Just as Augustine wrote of stealing pears purely for the excitement of sin, and just as when we renew our baptismal vows to reject the “glamour of evil,” saying that crime follows poverty simply reduces ethics/morality to “throw money at crime and it will stop,” which never works, and displays a stunning level of naivety about the human condition.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

Crime follows poverty.

–This is the sort of sweeping generality that is so vague as to be meaningless.

It is a statistical fact. Populations in poverty have more crime overall than well-to-do populations.

“Crime follows poverty?” Well, what “crime” are we talking about? Murder? AFAIK there is no correlation between murder and poverty.

Just because you don’t know a fact does not mean it is false.

Further, the “crime follows poverty” also does not comport with Catholic teaching:

Scientific facts are not the subject of Catholic teaching. That went out with geocentrism.

saying that crime follows poverty simply reduces ethics/morality to “throw money at crime and it will stop,”

That would be an illogical conclusion. The fact that crime is more prevalent in poverty-stricken societies does not, in itself, suggest that “throwing money at it” is the only solution. Another solution might be to examine the roots of that poverty to see if there is some systemic reason for it and addressing that reason first.

 

[BT3241]

I saw the videos - no. Zero tolerance leads to death there is no such thing as de-escalation tactics with the police just comply or die. If your happy with that policy then so be it but people are dying .

 

[Rockoh22]

It is a statistical fact. Populations in poverty have more crime overall than well-to-do populations.

It does seem like it from the surface. I see that crime remains the same. But when you take a can of beans from a poor person, is like you took a lot from them. But when you take a can of beans from a rich person, they have ways to get it back, or can do with out it, or sue you for a lot of money.

In other words, poor people and rich people have the same crime statistics, is just that Rich people crimes are different, and many are defended by powerful individuals. While poor people, well they just get Jail for it.

 

[1cthlctrth]

I’ve noticed that almost all of these tragic deaths (Brianna Taylor and George Floyd were mentioned in this article) occurred in cities with Democratic Party Mayors, Democratic Governors, Democratic District Attorneys, and City Councils controlled by Democrats.

For those who see these deaths as a systemic problem, along with crime and education problems, perhaps a good start would be to stop electing the same people. Those who feel too secure in their re-election probabilities may not feel that they have to truly serve their constituents in order to earn their votes.

 

[1cthlctrth]

Defunding the NYPD is madness after the thousands of black lives they have saved

The people who live in high-crime neighborhoods understand more about policing than the anti-cop agitators. Since the early 1990s, when the homicide toll in New York City was more than 2,000 a year, tens of thousands of minority lives have been saved, thanks to the NYPD’s fiercely responsive, data-driven policing.

That policing model, known as Compstat, holds precinct commanders ruthlessly accountable for crime in their jurisdiction; it has driven homicide down 86 percent from 1990, to 319 in 2019. Most of the lives that would have been lost had killings remained at their early 1990s levels have been black and Hispanic.

Fewer cops and depleted NYPD funding mean longer response times and less training. Cops who cannot get back-up quickly when confronting a violently resisting suspect are more likely to escalate their own use of force.

Defunding the police will hurt the very people its proponents think they’re helping.

 

[Annie]

It is a statistical fact. Populations in poverty have more crime overall than well-to-do populations.

It is also a statistical fact that the poor are more likely to be victims of crime as well.

And we have had periods of high crime and periods of low crime in the same poverty-stricken circumstances.

If it were poverty that led inexorably to crime, then the crime rates would be similar in all poor areas at all times.

Same goes for terrorism and other forms of revolt, even tho the terrorists of the late 1970s were from middle class families.

There are many, many people who live in poverty who do not turn to crime.

Another solution might be to examine the roots of that poverty to see if there is some systemic reason for it and addressing that reason first.

Maybe the breakdown of the family has something to do with it. Maybe the lack of respect to religion in the general society has something to do with it. Maybe the lack of respect for human life has something to do with it.

I do not think that now “something systemic” has something to do with crime rates, which are higher now than they were when there was a lot of real systemic racism.

If anything systemic, it was the forcing out of fathers by Democrat-imposed welfare rules, even after they were warned by the Moynihan Report.

 

[1cthlctrth]

Remember how we revered the police and first responders after 9/11?
Who would have ever thought that police would be treated the way they are now?

 

[1cthlctrth]

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