3 Friars in Pennsylvania Abuse Case Removed From Duties

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Three Franciscan friars have been charged in Pennsylvania with allowing a suspected sexual predator to hold jobs where he molested more than 100 children.
Robert D’Aversa, 69; Anthony Criscitelli, 61; and Giles Schinelli, 73, are scheduled to surrender Friday, said Jeffrey Johnson, a spokesman for the Pennsylvania attorney general’s office. They’re charged with child endangerment and criminal conspiracy.
The friars served successively as ministers provincial who headed a Franciscan religious order in western Pennsylvania from 1986 to 2010. In that role, each assigned and supervised the order’s members including the late Brother Stephen Baker, who allegedly molested scores of children, most of them at Bishop McCort High School in Johnstown where he was assigned from 1992 to 2000.
Schinelli has been removed as pastoral administrator at the San Pedro Center, a Catholic retreat in Winter Park, Florida, while D’Aversa likewise has been removed as pastor of St. Patrick Catholic Community in Mount Dora, Florida, according to the Orlando Diocese.
The Archdiocese of Saint Paul and Minneapolis said Anthony Criscitelli was removed is pastor of St. Bridget Parish Community in Minneapolis.
Orlando Bishop John Noonan issued a statement Wednesday saying he supported the decision of the Rev. Patrick Quinn, the current minister provincial of the Hollidaysburg-based Franciscan order, to remove D’Aversa and Schinelli from their Florida assignments.
“We pray for all the people involved in this investigation and for those who are suffering,” Noonan’s statement said.
Baker killed himself at the Franciscan monastery by plunging two knives into his heart in January 2013. That occurred nine days after Youngstown, Ohio, church officials announced settlements involving 11 students who accused Baker of molesting them at schools there in the late 1980s.
News coverage of those settlements prompted students from Bishop McCort to file lawsuits alleging they were abused by Baker, who worked as a religion teacher, coach and athletic trainer at the school about 60 miles east of Pittsburgh. Eight-eight of those victims settled their claims against the Altoona-Johnstown Diocese and the Franciscan order for $8 million in October 2014, with several other former students settling individual claims since.
Baker was allowed to harm children for decades because of men who were more concerned with the church’s reputation than with the safety of children in their care.

While thankful they are being held accountable, this will not be justice. Justice will be no child ever being harmed again, and their harm aided abetted by the indifference of cruel men.
 
Three Franciscan friars have been charged in Pennsylvania with allowing a suspected sexual predator to hold jobs where he molested more than 100 children.

Baker was allowed to harm children for decades because of men who were more concerned with the church’s reputation than with the safety of children in their care.

While thankful they are being held accountable, this will not be justice. Justice will be no child ever being harmed again, and their harm aided abetted by the indifference of cruel men.
So you say. The other idea is that those who didn’t stop him weren’t really sure of the details. I mean all it says is they allowed a suspected sexual predator to hold jobs. I’m not sure what that means. Who suspected him? Did they? Or were they innocent of such things themselves and so didn’t think he would do those things either?

I mean are we talking about them catching him in the act and then giving him a high-five and a raise or are we talking about them ignoring rumors in a mindset of innocent until proven guilty? (And at a time in history when that kind of stuff was maybe not talked about as much and usually down-played). Or are we talking about rumors running around about the guy that never got to their ears in a direct way “but they should have known better”?

I don’t know. I’m just having a hard time imagining 3 guys who gave up their whole lives to serve others being so dark that they’d line up kids for this guy to tickle.

And I know I’m going to hang alone when I say this. I’m going to be right on the outside of all normal. But I’m going to say it anyway.

These people who were groped when children shouldn’t be suing the Church.

Church money comes from its members. The members worked hard to pay for that stuff. People who were hurt by someone in the Church should just sue the people involved. End of story.

Bad things happen to people all the time. But we can’t keep making it the fault of the organization the people responsible worked for. It’s impossible to know what’s going on at every level of a place. It’s impossible to know how people are going to act when you’re not around to watch. Especially when you don’t get into what they get into. When you don’t think like they do.

And society pretending like this is the right way to do things isn’t helping. Making these people live life as a victim forever is worse than just letting them get over it. Moving on is key. Money is not going to help. Putting their names in the paper is not going to help. Give them support. Give them closure. But don’t give them money. Like some kind of overdue payment for services rendered. Give them services. But don’t make this a struggle of incentive. Don’t whet that appetite. Keep it clean. And make justice purely about justice.

But that’s my thing. So feel free to disagree. It doesn’t pull me down. I’m not in line to pay or receive. I’m not even in line.

Peace.

-Trident
 
All Catholics should read Goodbye, Good Men by Michael Rose. When I first read it, I thought that it was an exaggeration. Later, I realized that it was not. There has been a liberal, active homosexual culture infiltrated into various diocese, seminaries, and religious orders.
 
when will this end?! :mad:
Never? I mean there will statistically always be pedophiles. And they’ve traditionally existed in the RCC (and other churches) in similar numbers to the regular population. So until pedophilia goes away entirely, there will be pedophiles who find their ways into institutions including churches.

As for when stories like this one in particular will go away, probably not until all the victims and priests from the last 40-50 years when the scandal was at its peak have passed on (or all the victims have had some form of justice (however limited it may be at this point).
 
All Catholics should read Goodbye, Good Men by Michael Rose. When I first read it, I thought that it was an exaggeration. Later, I realized that it was not. There has been a liberal, active homosexual culture infiltrated into various diocese, seminaries, and religious orders.
I have heard of that book before. Hopefully, I will get a chance to read it sometime.
 
Last week there were stories implicating the last two bishops in Altoona-Johnstown in just moving around known sexual predators. This news is like lightning striking twice in the same place in two weeks.
 
All Catholics should read Goodbye, Good Men by Michael Rose. When I first read it, I thought that it was an exaggeration. Later, I realized that it was not. There has been a liberal, active homosexual culture infiltrated into various diocese, seminaries, and religious orders.
It looks like an interesting book, thanks for the link. Does he try to provide statistics on what he finds? I recall reading estimates that >50% of priests in the United States were gay, but I can’t figure out how anyone would be able to try and determine if that were true. I have heard individual stories of seminarians claiming that they thought 50-75% (!) of the seminarians at their institutes were gay, but obviously they can’t claim to have good evidence rather than just impressions. Those numbers seem unbelievable to me.
 
The many priests with gay orientation and/or liberal views who were ordained in the 60s and 70s are now in their sixties and leaders of the church.

When this generation passes on, there will be room for a new and healthy culture to take hold, but until then…every diocese will have to be opened and cleaned of all corruption, no matter how painful it is to the faithful.
 
It looks like an interesting book, thanks for the link. Does he try to provide statistics on what he finds? I recall reading estimates that >50% of priests in the United States were gay, but I can’t figure out how anyone would be able to try and determine if that were true. I have heard individual stories of seminarians claiming that they thought 50-75% (!) of the seminarians at their institutes were gay, but obviously they can’t claim to have good evidence rather than just impressions. Those numbers seem unbelievable to me.
That number is one I have heard also, and from my own experience of friends and colleagues who have gone through seminary and are now in various ministries, that’s about right. I had dinner at a local seminary about 7-8 years ago, and it was pretty evident. Has the admitting procedure changed since then? No clue. I guess I can ask my already-out priest friends.
 
That number is one I have heard also, and from my own experience of friends and colleagues who have gone through seminary and are now in various ministries, that’s about right. I had dinner at a local seminary about 7-8 years ago, and it was pretty evident. Has the admitting procedure changed since then? No clue. I guess I can ask my already-out priest friends.
Are your out priest friends still active priests or are they ex priests? I’ve known (of) open ex-priests and met many priests who I thought were probably gay, but I don’t think I know of open active priests. Not that I would expect a gay priest to talk about being gay even if they were out, so I guess I wouldn’t have known if they were out.

Do they tend to be orthodox? Heterodox?
 
The many priests with gay orientation and/or liberal views who were ordained in the 60s and 70s are now in their sixties and leaders of the church.

When this generation passes on, there will be room for a new and healthy culture to take hold, but until then…every diocese will have to be opened and cleaned of all corruption, no matter how painful it is to the faithful.
Much of the abuse in the Church that is part of the current scandal occurred in the 50s to the present day, and much of it up until about the 80s by men ordained before Vatican II. In Canada you can read about “residential schools” for aboriginal children (and these were not limited to Catholics).

I don’t buy that somehow “gay orientation and/or liberal views” are the cause of this.

This problem exists in schools, hospitals, health care professionals, families, sports teams and scout troops and just about everywhere mankind in its fallen condition exists.

What needs to stop is the coddling and covering up of the perpetrators.
 
Are your out priest friends still active priests or are they ex priests? I’ve known (of) open ex-priests and met many priests who I thought were probably gay, but I don’t think I know of open active priests. Not that I would expect a gay priest to talk about being gay even if they were out, so I guess I wouldn’t have known if they were out.
I would say that about half a dozen have left the priesthood - some becoming Anglican priests. The rest are still in active ministry. Many are here in California. Many are academics. Perhaps the subject doesn’t come up in parish work or in day to day interaction, but certainly in their homes or in social situations, it’s just a natural part of conversation.
 
I hate to be the one asking the most obvious question, but-

Why would a priest be “out” if they’ve taken the vow of celibacy?
Why should sexual identity enter the equation at all?
 
I hate to be the one asking the most obvious question, but-

Why would a priest be “out” if they’ve taken the vow of celibacy?
Why should sexual identity enter the equation at all?
You’ll have to ask an out priest that, but from what I see, they have other gay friends, that gay issues are important to them, and they feel a part of a larger movement happening in the culture right now. Personally, how they made decisions to come out or how they balance it with their priesthood, I cannot speak for them. It doesn’t appear to be a problem.
 
It looks like an interesting book, thanks for the link. Does he try to provide statistics on what he finds? I recall reading estimates that >50% of priests in the United States were gay, but I can’t figure out how anyone would be able to try and determine if that were true. I have heard individual stories of seminarians claiming that they thought 50-75% (!) of the seminarians at their institutes were gay, but obviously they can’t claim to have good evidence rather than just impressions. Those numbers seem unbelievable to me.
There are no scientific surveys of bishops/seminary directors/seminarians, for obvious reasons. The liberals would not want such information to become public. So, everything is anecdotal. The degree of homosexual infiltration or control varies widely. There is obviously a strong connection between un-orthodoxy and the homosexual movement.
 
So you say. The other idea is that those who didn’t stop him weren’t really sure of the details. I mean all it says is they allowed a suspected sexual predator to hold jobs. I’m not sure what that means. Who suspected him? Did they? Or were they innocent of such things themselves and so didn’t think he would do those things either?

I mean are we talking about them catching him in the act and then giving him a high-five and a raise or are we talking about them ignoring rumors in a mindset of innocent until proven guilty? (And at a time in history when that kind of stuff was maybe not talked about as much and usually down-played). Or are we talking about rumors running around about the guy that never got to their ears in a direct way “but they should have known better”?

I don’t know. I’m just having a hard time imagining 3 guys who gave up their whole lives to serve others being so dark that they’d line up kids for this guy to tickle.

And I know I’m going to hang alone when I say this. I’m going to be right on the outside of all normal. But I’m going to say it anyway.

These people who were groped when children shouldn’t be suing the Church.

Church money comes from its members. The members worked hard to pay for that stuff. People who were hurt by someone in the Church should just sue the people involved. End of story.

Bad things happen to people all the time. But we can’t keep making it the fault of the organization the people responsible worked for. It’s impossible to know what’s going on at every level of a place. It’s impossible to know how people are going to act when you’re not around to watch. Especially when you don’t get into what they get into. When you don’t think like they do.

And society pretending like this is the right way to do things isn’t helping. Making these people live life as a victim forever is worse than just letting them get over it. Moving on is key. Money is not going to help. Putting their names in the paper is not going to help. Give them support. Give them closure. But don’t give them money. Like some kind of overdue payment for services rendered. Give them services. But don’t make this a struggle of incentive. Don’t whet that appetite. Keep it clean. And make justice purely about justice.

But that’s my thing. So feel free to disagree. It doesn’t pull me down. I’m not in line to pay or receive. I’m not even in line.

Peace.

-Trident
I agree with you in many ways, I find it very suspect, after the guy stabbed himself in the heart, a bunch of ‘victims’ came forward…thats awfully convenient, now that there is no way to determine if they are being truthful or not. and since when did MONEY become a cure all? LOL, I mean, this is the CC, it seems if these terrible things were truly done to these young men, something other than money should be done to resolve it.
 
Th scandal of abusive Priests is a terrible stain we all must deal with. But to believe this is a recent occurrence in the history of the church is mistaken. St. Peter Damian dealt with this in the 11th century:

"When the humble monk and future saint, Peter Damian, presented his Letter 31, the Book of Gomorrah, to Pope Leo IX in 1049, he made it clear that his first and overriding concern was for the salvation of souls. While the work is addressed specifically to the Holy Father, its distribution was intended for the universal Church, most especially the bishops of secular clergy and superiors of religious orders.

In his introduction, the holy writer makes clear that the Divine calling of the Apostolic See makes its primary consideration “the welfare of souls”. Therefore, he pleads with the Holy Father to take action against “a certain abominable and most shameful vice,” which he identifies forthrightly as “the befouling cancer of sodomy,” that is ravaging both the souls of the clergy and the flock of Christ in his region, before God unleashes His just wrath on the people.[9] Recognizing how nauseating the very mention of the word sodomy must be to the Pope, he nevertheless asks with blunt frankness: “… if a physician is appalled by the contagion of the plague, who is likely to wield the cautery? If he grows squeamish when he is about to apply the cure, who will restore health to stricken hearts?”

ourladyswarriors.org/articles/damian1.htm

The Church has battled this for centuries. Pray for our Priests.
 
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