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BrianH
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Oh my.
The verses are addressing scripture. Scripture is not a person’s interpretation or an act of human will but was written by men moved by the Holy Spirit.
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tobinatorstark
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not entirely sure what Bible version your using
2 Peter 1:21 (Douay-Rheims)
For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost.
Haydock Bible Commentary.
Ver. 21. For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time. This is to shew that they are not to be expounded by any one’s private judgment, because every part of the holy Scriptures is delivered to us by the divine spirit of God, wherewith the men were inspired who wrote them; therefore they are not to be interpreted but by the spirit of God, which he left, and promised to his Church to guide her in all truth to the end of the world. Our adversaries may perhaps tell us, that we also interpret prophecies and Scriptures; we do so; but we do it always with a submission to the judgment of the Church, they without it. (Witham)
Your Bible seems to add to scripture
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BrianH
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I used verses 19-21 so it would be in context.
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tobinatorstark
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of what Bible??
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BrianH
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NASB
Perhaps a more modern translation with assist as well NIV…perhaps not
2Pe 1:19-21 And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.
Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation.
For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
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BrianH
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NRSV
Second Peter 1:19-21
19 So we have the prophetic message more fully confirmed. You will do well to be attentive to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, 21because no prophecy ever came by human will, but men and women moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.*
Second Peter 1:19-21
19 So we have the prophetic message more fully confirmed. You will do well to be attentive to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, 21because no prophecy ever came by human will, but men and women moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.*
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tobinatorstark
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never mind I thought you were using only verse 21. My mistake. The NIV is very inaccurate. I do think the NASB is one of the more accurate non-Catholic Bibles out there but def not the most accurate
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BrianH
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Ok you piqued my curiousity, what is the most accurate translation and why? Briefly 
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tobinatorstark
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Catholic or Protestant.Ok you piqued my curiousity, what is the most accurate translation and why? Briefly
Catholic - Latin Vulgate and its English counterpiece Douay-Rheims
Protestant - either the Geneva Bible or the KJV, both extremely anti-Catholic in notes
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totallylost
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Although Catholic Church recognizes Orthodox as having full communion with Catholic Church, this does not simply mean Orthodox Church is Catholic Church. The communion is only due to the Apostolic Succession. Orthodox splits of with Catholics when they decided not to recognize the Authority of the Church - the Pope, who is the head of the Bishops, (Pope isn’t God and isn’t above Jesus and isn’t spiritually infallible as most protestants misunderstood, but he is rather the head guided by Holy Spirit. Pope can sin too) - resulting in different hierarchies.
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BrianH
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Well…that is one version of your view
Remember when we had the Orthodox on a forum and we had these debates everyday…I do
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Mick_Taylor
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Hi estesbob,
How did you (I mean you personally) come to know that the primacy of Peter is proven by
- Scripture
- Sacred Tradition
- The unchanging teachings of the magestrium
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Mick_Taylor
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Hi estesbob,
Every book of the bible self-testifies or self-reveals that it is God-breathed…but only to those God chooses to reveal this to. The church can’t make the canon, it can only declare which books it has recognized as Scripture.
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estesbob
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I trust those who have been there from the very beginning.
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estesbob
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So you beleive in predestination?
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Mick_Taylor
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Hi estesbob,
Let me guess. You have come to know (somehow) that “those who have been there from the very beginning” were the Catholic Church?
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Mick_Taylor
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Yes, and I believe that from God’s point of view there is no such thing as “chance”. God didn’t leave the canon of Scripture to “chance”. Instead, God gave the early church the guidance of the Holy Spirit to discern which books are inspired.
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estesbob
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The only place I disagree with you is the word “early” . The Spirit did not withdraw-he has guided the catholic church for over 2,000 years.
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estesbob
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Who else was there?
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YourAverageJoe
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Wrong, only one book claims to be inspired in the NT, Revelations…How do we know Mark wrote Mark? How do we know for sure the auther of Acts is the same author as Hebrews or Romans??..In fact many scholars believe the author of Hebrews is unkown and not Paul, hence the writing styles from Acts to Romans to Hebrews is very different .Paul tells timothy that scripture is inspired and profitable for teaching, but he is talking about the OT…even then what books of the OT is Paul referring too???.. The book of Wicca claims to be inspired so does the Koran, and much others. …On what authority do we say the Christian bible is inspired, vs all others??? Who does the Holy Spirit speak too, the individual interepreter,??? dont think so!
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