(30% of) Firms to cut health plans as reform starts: survey

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Here’s the point, Matt.

The bills have to be paid. Period.

So this “public option” will, at best, be 5% cheaper than any private insurer. At best. And, honestly, I doubt even that…because the government won’t do it in house, they’ll hire contractors to do it. Just like how they handle Medicare and Medicaid claims today.

The only way that a “public option” would be cheaper is if they:

a) restrict the number of items that are covered, thus reducing the number of claims

or

b) restrict the amount that the providers get reimbursed for claims

I know that physicians are really, really unhappy about this.

I will admit that I think a lot of that is just whining and that not all 40% will leave. But if even half of that number leave, that is still going to have a horribly deleterious effect on the health care system in this country.
Then those who can afford to pay more towards the bills, I pray they would be asked to and would heed the call. 👍

Medicare for all is the way I’d go so I have no comment on in house vs out of house claims processing. I have experience with older relatives and Medicare. And newsflash. Most Medicare recipients are happy with their Medicare. Most don’t even have the private Advantage plans.

Keep in mind though I confess a chief concern of my politics and in my life is not as much about govt domestic spending as it seems with a lot of folks here. 👍

Option b) sounds like it could be an option but then granted I understand some might have to make sacrifices in their lifestyles and for instance downsize in housing or drive a compact car like I do. My transportation is 6 yrs old but I understand doctors, CEOs and the like might need to put more miles on than I do so they might have to purchase a vehicle more often than in 6+ yrs. I also am not anticipating taking a vacation out of state this yr nor do I live in the the most beautiful home though it is not a dump. Just rather modest I’d say. I am just blessed and grateful to have a reliable mode of transportaion and a roof over my head as so many people today do not.

Finally as far as physican access, those here from Canada and elsewhere have explained they seem pretty happy with theirs.

God bless you with His many blessings and peace.
 
Which two?

US in Four Wars Amid Economic Decay
By Edward Koch
Tuesday, 14 Jun 2011 11:10 AM

We are now in four wars, three of them the responsibility of President Barack Obama. The four are Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Yemen. The latter three are Obama’s wars. Afghanistan became his when he sent an additional 30,000 troops there.

The other two were directly initiated by him.

With the American public suffering through a severely depressed economy requiring layoffs by local governments of teachers, cops and other needed personnel, and that public being told the cherished and needed programs of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are now on the chopping block to be changed to the point of disfigurement with major reductions in coverage and benefits, that public is in no mood to see new wars initiated and old wars extended, with more than $100 billion spent annually in Afghanistan.
Holy, I was thinking about of course Iraq and the longest one, Afghanistan. But a good point. You shall get no argument from me on it being at least 4 now. Peace.
 
Yes, what kind of a society do you want? One where people are dependent and are forced to do good or one where people are independent and give from the heart.

But what is the “common good” – that is the key question, isn’t it?
See Matthew 25:35-46 for a hint of the kind of society I want and for an answer to your question. The difference between us might be that I see a govt role when individuals and faith based groups have not or can not handle all the burden. As I do not believe Jesus would turn down any help offered to serve the less fortunate. Peace.
 
11,830,000 were in families making less than $25,000 per year. A family making less than $25,000 per year is usually eligible for Medicaid. Why would these people not have applied for Medicaid?
Because you can apply for Medicaid retrospectively; that is, you can get treatment, then apply for Medicaid to pay for it. If you qualify, Medicaid will pay it even though you didn’t have coverage at the time of service. That’s why a lot of people who would qualify for it don’t have it. They know they can apply later.

I realize people focus on the Canadian and British systems, but I think the French system has something with which to recommend itself, at least in part.

-2/3 of the system is “public”. In that system, you go to the government doctors. You pay “up front” for the care and apply to the government for reimbursement. Cuts down on overutilization, which is a serious burden in both the U.S. public and private sectors, especially the public sector.
-Normally the reimbursement is 80% for most things. Medicaid pays 100%, and Medicare pretty much does.
-The government buys the drugs in bulk, but it’s not very flexible in adopting new drugs.
-Illegals can get care, but they pay “up front” and get no reimbursement from the government at all. In the U.S., they go to the ERs and get treated at taxpayer expense.
-You have to prove your legal status at the point of service. You don’t in the U.S.
-People in the “private” system often have private health insurance or simply pay cash. Not too surprisingly, a large number of the best doctors are in the “private” system.
-The government pays medical school tuition. Doctors don’t have big debts coming out of school. In the U.S., they often have enormous debts.
-The government expands and contracts medical admissions based on the needs of the population. Medical education in the U.S. is totally controlled by the universities, which have disincentives to expanding admissions.
-Medical malpractice cases are judge tried only, and in special courts. There are caps on recoveries. Attorneys for plaintiffs have to content themselves with hourly fees, not percentages. Malpractice cases in the U.S. are tried before juries and attorneys usually get 40-50% of the award.
-The government pays the malpractice insurance premiums for doctors in the “public” sector. Not surprisingly, the premiums are fairly low because of the special courts. In the U.S., malpractice insurance might cost as much as the doctor makes or even more.
-Programs to aid people who can’t afford the “up front” cost are local and regional, not federal.

Now, it must be admitted that nobody other than the tax man knows what the doctors in the “private” sector make. In the “public” sector, they make about 40% of what the same kinds of doctors make in the U.S. It must also be admitted that income tax rates are higher in France than here, and average wages are significantly lower.

Still, there is a lot about the French system that can be admired, and the U.S. ought to look at them. But, of course, this administration is set on getting a British-type system where healthcare is a governmental function, and many conservatives don’t always consider addressing things like:

-Medical education, and particularly its expansion.
-Special courts and malpractice caps.
-Limitation of attorneys’ fees.
-“Up front” payment, with reimbursement upon application.
-Totally private optional segments in which the government does not interfere.
-Identification of patients, and patient accountability.
-Local and regional options other than who can and cannot sell insurance.
 
And that is going to do what, exactly?

Suppose the company determines that they would not want to negotiate health benefits into the union contract…what’s the union going to do? Strike? Perhaps the company will go under unless they dump employees’ health care…

Suppose the company in question determines that they want to provide health coverage, but all of the company’s competitors don’t. Are customers going to flock to that company and pay higher prices because that company provides health coverage for employees?

I don’t know about anybody else, but if I was a business owner and I was threatened by my employees unless I took a course of action…I’d close the business before succumbing to that threat.
Unionizing would be the first step.

Striking isn’t always the answer; there are legally permissible activities that employees can do in and out of the workplace to give it additional leveage at the bargaining table.

The company who offers medical benefits to its employees willl undoubtedly attract the more qualified and dedicated employees to its employ.

Closing your business would of course be an option, but if your willing to throw away a lifetimes work and effort over bargaining over medical benefits for your workers, I think that would be a rather rash decision on your part. I’d hope you’d reconsider your decision before acting upon it. If paying for employees benefits would create a hardship, then you could tell that to the union, open up your books and allow them to have an actuarial to take a look at them. If what you say is true, then i’d think that the union would work with you on that.
 
Unionizing would be the first step.

Striking isn’t always the answer; there are legally permissible activities that employees can do in and out of the workplace to give it additional leveage at the bargaining table.

The company who offers medical benefits to its employees willl undoubtedly attract the more qualified and dedicated employees to its employ.

Closing your business would of course be an option, but if your willing to throw away a lifetimes work and effort over bargaining over medical benefits for your workers, I think that would be a rather rash decision on your part. I’d hope you’d reconsider your decision before acting upon it. If paying for employees benefits would create a hardship, then you could tell that to the union, open up your books and allow them to have an actuarial to take a look at them. If what you say is true, then i’d think that the union would work with you on that.
Maybe companies open up their books to unions, but I sure wouldn’t if I had any choice at all.

I’m probably in little danger of unionization because there almost are none in this part of the state. They just never get voted in, and it’s a very conservative area. But my partners and I have already decided that if we somehow get hit by “card check” someday, we’ll up our technology and do the work ourselves without staff other than ourselves. We would probably make less and work harder, but we could do it. And we would do it, too, before we opened our books up to union people. What would we bargain about? That they think I make too much and ought to give it to staff people? When my partners and I bear all the risk, borrow the money, put our own livelihoods at risk, sign our names and our spouses names to promissory notes, equip the place, I would do that? No, never.

We pay 100% of our employees’ health insurance, and intend to keep doing it until Obamacare makes it impossible to continue. Then we’ll do what we can afford to do as long as we can afford to do it. If we can’t afford employees anymore at some point, we just won’t have them.
 
Closing your business would of course be an option, but if your willing to throw away a lifetimes work and effort over bargaining over medical benefits for your workers, I think that would be a rather rash decision on your part. I’d hope you’d reconsider your decision before acting upon it. If paying for employees benefits would create a hardship, then you could tell that to the union, open up your books and allow them to have an actuarial to take a look at them. If what you say is true, then i’d think that the union would work with you on that.
First of all, in any work I’ve been involved in, I have always tried to treat employees as if they were extended family. Share the hard work, pay them fairly … as much as the market will allow me to do … be as generous as possible with benefits while remaining competitive … and so on.

I have worked in union environments before and have found out something rather scary: if the employees like you as a manager and believe you act fairly toward them, they are actually more afraid of the union steward than they are of you. Why? Because the union steward will exact a price from them if they are seen to be putting out any more than the minimum effort required by the union contract.

Frankly, if my employees were to unionize, I would consider that a profound statement of disloyalty since I make an effort to be good to them. And I would refuse to play in that hostile environment – done it before, don’t care to do it again. The almighty dollar is simply not that important to me. I would find myself something else to do. And, if I was the owner of the business rather than a manager, I would pack it in and go into early retirement.
 
See Matthew 25:35-46 for a hint of the kind of society I want and for an answer to your question. The difference between us might be that I see a govt role when individuals and faith based groups have not or can not handle all the burden. As I do not believe Jesus would turn down any help offered to serve the less fortunate. Peace.
[bibledrb]Matt 25:35-46[/bibledrb]
That is exactly the kind of society I want, as well (well verses 35-40, at least)

And I will even go one step further
[bibledrb]Acts 4:32-35[/bibledrb]

Interesting thing that I noted with both these two sections:and **you **gave me to eat, **you **gave me to drink, **you **took me in, **you **covered me, **you **visited me, you came to me.
It didn’t readand a government program gave me
a cash card for food
, a government worker issued me food stamps for drink, government subsidized housing took me in and put me in a housing development, government workers covered me, government employees visited me because it was their job, government social workers came to me and re-educated me on how to be a good drone. And liberals felt good about themselves.
Jesus wanted direct action on the part of the people toward the poor. There is nowhere where He even remotely preached government programs. He preached participation.

Likewise in the Acts of the Apostles:And laid it down before the feet of the apostles
The people **voluntarily **laid the money they made from **voluntarily **selling their excess and laid that at the feet of the apostles. The apostles. **Not **the Roman governor. Not Caesar. The apostles.

The apostles today are the bishops. Not the IRS. Not Mr. Obama. Not the governor. Not the mayor. The bishops.

What I would envision for a society today is one where people have relationships with each other. And where people have solidarity with each other. And where people feel a moral obligation to support each other and not simply shuck it off to a government social worker to deal with.
 
The apostles today are the bishops. Not the IRS. Not Mr. Obama. Not the governor. Not the mayor. The bishops.

What I would envision for a society today is one where people have relationships with each other. And where people have solidarity with each other. And where people feel a moral obligation to support each other and not simply shuck it off to a government social worker to deal with.
Pope, church leaders call for guaranteed health care for all people
VATICAN CITY (CNS) – Pope Benedict XVI and other church leaders said it was the moral responsibility of nations to guarantee access to health care for all of their citizens, regardless of social and economic status or their ability to pay.
Access to adequate medical attention, the pope said in a written message Nov. 18, was one of the “inalienable rights” of man.
Papal prescription for universal health care
The pope’s stance on health care may be hard pill to swallow for opponents of reform…
In fact Pope Benedict joined WHO’s call for universal health coverage just before its report hit the press. He called health care a moral responsibility of government and an “inalienable right,” regardless of social and economic status or ability to pay. He cautioned that the privatization of health care should “not become a threat to the accessibility, availability, and quality of health care.”
 
Although, I wouldn’t be against universal care if it was completely funded by tariffs or other non-tax related funding means and it didn’t interfere with the free market.
I would.

Centralized control of any sector of the economy is a direct affront to Catholic social teaching.
 
CNS is a liberal outlet and no more reliable for Catholic news than the Daily Kos is for political news.

If you want to show me papal support for something than I suggest you go to www.vatican.va and give me a real reference.
I provided two sources. Feel free to Google ‘Pope universal healthcare’ and see there are many more sources reporting the same thing.
 
I provided two sources…
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    Right. Your other source.
    Feel free to Google ‘Pope universal healthcare’ and see there are many more sources reporting the same thing
    You made the assertion. You back it up.
 
Pope’s Message to Health Care Conference
VATICAN CITY, NOV. 18, 2010 (Zenit.org).- Here is a translation of the message that Benedict XVI sent to the 25th international conference of the Pontifical Council for Health Care Ministry, which began today in Rome. The congress is considering the theme: “Caritas in Veritate – For Equitable and Human Health Care.” Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the Pope’s secretary of state, delivered the address on behalf of the Pontiff.
The People of God, pilgrimaging on the torturous paths of history joins its efforts to those of so many other men and women of good will to give a truly human face to health systems. Health justice should be among the priorities of governments and international institutions.
 
I provided two sources. Feel free to Google ‘Pope universal healthcare’ and see there are many more sources reporting the same thing.
America already provides universal health care not only for citizens but for immigrants also.I have never once heard that a patient who was sick who went to a hospital and turned down because of lack of funds.
 
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