340 parishes reportedly join Orthodox Church of Ukraine

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I couldn’t read the entire article because it seems to require a paid subscription, but judging by the first few lines, it appears that these are Ukrainian Orthodox (Moscow Patriarchate) Churches switching over to Ukrainian Orthodox (Kyiv Patriarchate). Is that correct?
 
This being the unified Ukrainian Orthodox Church recently acknowledged by the EP, I assume?
 
I don’t understand. They’re United in Orthodox, but not?
 
Yes exactly. It is.

Ukrainian Orthodox Church, also officially known as the Most Holy Church of Ukraine is a recognized autocephalous Eastern Orthodox churchwhose canonical territory is Ukraine.
The church was established by a unification council on 15 December 2018, and received its tomos of autocephaly (decree of ecclesial independence) on 5 January 2019.
The other Orthodox jurisdiction in Ukraine is the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate), an autonomous branch of the Russian Orthodox Church, which considers the Orthodox Church of Ukraine to be schismatic, but gradually many Orthodox parishes (one after another) moving to Ukrainian Orthodox Church
 
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“The Thomos” in Eastern Orthodox Church is a decree of the head of a particular Orthodox church on certain matters (such as the level of dependence of an autonomous church from Constantinopol.)
This word in English means - document.
The Constantinopol Synod codifies the decision.
In Oriental Orthodoxy the Holy Synod is the highest authority in the church and it formulates the rules and regulations regarding matters of church organisation, faith, and order of service.
The Kremlin, as always, considers itself the center of the universe, and therefore even the canons and rules that the Greeks wrote, for the Russian imperialists mean nothing.
Therefore, for the Russiy Mir, Ukrainians are schismatics (although notice that the Russian Orthodox Church does not even have a Thomos.)
 
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Justin_Mary said:
I don’t understand. They’re United in Orthodox, but not?
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There were three (four, if you count UCC, off which they all splintered [forcefully by the USSR]).

There was the UOC-MP, created by the USSR secret police and ROC bishops at the “false synod” of ROC bishops and UC priests at gunpoint (the UCC bishops were all imprisoned). This parceled the churches and priests from the UCC to the UOC-MP. [to be clear, it was the Ukrainian Church, not the Ukrainian Catholic Church, and it was in communion with Rome, the whole church having entered communion with Rome, and not breaking Communion with the EO {who would eventually cease renewing communion}] .

The UOC-EP came from the Authority of the EP.

Then, largely in reaction to the the rancor between those two, the UAC (?), Ukrainian Autonomous Church, arose in response. It generally had cordial relations with UOC-EP, and I believed shared clergy (including bishops!) at times.

UOC-EP and UAC were the ones that merged, and to which UOC-MP are defecting en mass .

Frankly, I think that Rome will silently cheer if the UCC moves to fold itself with the new UOC. The single Ukrainian church could once again be the bridge between East and West, simultaneously entering communion with both . . .

AMDG

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(although notice that the Russian Orthodox Church does not even have a Thomos.)
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It does have one, but from awkward circumstances.

The EP was stranded in Moscow visiting, and ran out of funds.

Russian provided funds to finish his trip and return home, and the ROC found herself with Thomas . . .
 
You see, they claim jurisdiction over the Orthodox Christians, who reside in the former member republics of the Soviet Union, - Estonia, Moldova and Ukraine.
I traveled to the north of Moldova, and even in the Romanian villages of west Ukrainian oblasts in Bukovina and Transcarpathia there are many supporters of the Moscow Patriarchate, but my opinion is that these Christians are a product of brainwashing in the Russian world.(Russkiy Myr)
Therefore, in Moldova, the Russians created an artificial state called Transnistria.


Therefore, anxiety in the Baltic countries, and therefore there is a hybrid war in Ukraine.
 
As you can see, the Kremlin’s ecclesiological jurisdiction pays dividends, and is moving to territorial, in addition to the Crimea, the DPR and the LPR (Luhansk People’s Republic) Transnistria, there is also Abkhazia, South Ossetia.
With Kiev, they have very difficult situation.
They believe that Christianization of Kievan Rus’, is the birth of the ROC,but historically, the Heaven transmitted precisely to Moscow to affirm the strength and civilization messianism of Orthodoxy.
They will not resign themselves to surrender Kiev, and will not resign themselves to losing Ukraine.
That’s what they brainwashed to believe.
 
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There is only Ukrainian Orthodox Christian Church in Ukraine and that one is under the Moscow Patriarch. The other Church is not excepted by the whole Orthodox Christian communities. They not recognize by anyone else, not the OCA , the Serbian Orthodox Church ,Orthodox Church in Japan or Poland. They are a schismatic Church outside of communion of the wider Orthodox Church as a whole. They will never ever be excepted anytime soon nor in the future. They must return to mother Church for their salvation of their souls…
 
Is the Ecumenical Orthodox Church in Constantinople no longer an authority for you in the Orthodox world?
 
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Like I said there is only one Church and that is under the Moscow patriarch, the other one is in schismatic Church not excepted by any of the Churches listed. The schismatics would be refused communion by any other Orthodox Christian Church that I listed. Nothing has changed in the Church. These schismatic Churches must return to mother Church for their own good…
 
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Phillip_Rolfes said:
I couldn’t read the entire article because it seems to require a paid subscription, but judging by the first few lines, it appears that these are Ukrainian Orthodox (Moscow Patriarchate) Churches switching over to Ukrainian Orthodox (Kyiv Patriarchate). Is that correct?
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Religion defined by borders.
 
Remember people are free to leave a communion and go into Schismatic Church there no bars holding them from leaving that I know or see. It’s much like your Church stands in the Orthodox Christian Church. Please let’s be frank with one another, the Roman Catholic Church is viewed as a Schismatic Church by the Orthodox Christian Church even with all the meetings that go on between the two Churches it remains the same no progress in inter communion with the Roman Catholic Church and the Orthodox Christian Church. Unless you’re Church is willing to move on the main purposes and of the divisions between the two Churches there is more than likely never ever going to be two Churches ever coming together ever again in our lifetime or in the next 1,000 years. Come on let’s get real here… Please let us admit what is in front of us, can there ever two become one. I don’t see it coming unless your Church changes I don’t see progress worth anything to talk about.

Second I’m a American who Church is based in Moscow Russia I have no problems with having Bishops that come from Russia. You have your main bishop in Rome so what’s the difference here?

It’s not religion that is defined by borders it is nation’s defined by its borders is the proper use on this statement. If you believe that religion is defined by borders then Roman Catholic Church is a foreign religion that shouldn’t be allowed here is this what you believe?i
 
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No matter what you believe the Roman Catholic Church is out of communion with the Churches of Jerusalem and Antioch. My Church is communion with both of these Churches are you…???
 
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The fifteen autocephalous churches together compose the Eastern Orthodox Church. but IT IS HEADED by the Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople, currently Bartholomew I, Archbishop of Constantinople.
 
Constantinople holds a special place of honor within Orthodoxy and serves as the seat for the Ecumenical Patriarch, who enjoys the status of PRIMUS INTER PARES (first among equals) among the world’s Eastern Orthodox prelates and is regarded as the representative and spiritual leader of the world’s 300 million Orthodox Christians.
 
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