$37.00 Tickets to See Fr. John Corapi Preach?!?

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I understand all about production cost and all of that. That’s why I generously allocated $50 per unit to production, editing, copying, etc.

If this is what he does, that’s what he does. People can decide to give him money or not.
Why how generous of you! For those of use who are a little denser than you, could your show the breakdown of what those costs were, how many units he has sold, what the actual manufacture cost per unit is, and how you arrived at your generous figure of $50?
 
I’d love to see him, but I’m on a tight budget and $37 is out of the question.

And I’ve already given up cable TV, so no watching him on EWTN either.

Miz
You can watch the live feed from EWTN on the internet…which I assume you have since you are posting on this forum 🙂
 
Why how generous of you! For those of use who are a little denser than you, could your show the breakdown of what those costs were, how many units he has sold, what the actual manufacture cost per unit is, and how you arrived at your generous figure of $50?
No. If you dispute my figure, then it is up to you to propose an alternative.

As a comparison, you can go to Amazon and buy the complete “the Shield” series, 69 hours, for $110. The Star Wars trilogy is $50. Actually, i could find no no DVDs on Amazon that have a price point over $300.

Once again, he can charge what he wants. We decide whether it’s appropriate or not.
 
I agree, that’s pricey. But I will reserve judgment until I learn that the money is pure profit and doesn’t go to his order or to something else worthy.

Also, where are the CDs made? How much does the manufacturer charge Father Corapi in the first place for the DVDs? That too has to be accounted for.

That, in and of itself, shouldn’t bother you. If it’s just him speaking, he needs to use his name so others know what’s going on.

If there’s a good reason for all the price tags, then it is surely OK. If, of course, there is.

Otherwise, this sounds like a case of guilty before proven innocent. Whenever a cleric asks for money, it’s sad that ill intent is always assumed.

Many Catholics don’t even charge, unless I’m mistaken. And not all Protestants offer conferences for free. Lifest here in Wisconsin, the biggest Christian rock festival in the US if I’m right, is very pricey if you attend for all three days, and more so if you camp on-site, several hundred dollars’ worth of expenses. Just to get in for a day costs more than to see Father Corapi once.

But I agree that Catholics really need to pull out all the stops; Catholicism is already severely Protestantized and the next step from that is secularization, which is already spreading like a cancer as it is.
I know there are many Christian “superstars” who charge a lot to hear them preach or perform, Bill Gaither is one who comes to mind as well as the mega-media palaces that harbor the televangelists. I associate with a grassroots gospel bluegrass crowd who, like I, don’t have much use for the profiteers. All that aside though, even those questionable profiteers are outperforming us Catholics when it comes to drawing in the masses. We have to get with it.
 
. No. If you dispute my figure, then it is up to you to propose an alternative
Well, my **very **generous estimate for production, editing, and copying is $500 per DVD. I base that on zero personal knowledge of the requirements. So I guess that my alternative is just as valid! :cool:

I do imagine that the unit production price goes up as the number sold goes down. You can hardly compare the production price of a Star Wars trilogy DVD set, which probably sells millions of copies, to a Father Corapi DVD set which might sell thousands.

Call me naive, but I’ll give the priest the benefit of the doubt and assume that what he’s doing is moral and ethical. Until someone proves otherwise.
 
The cost of a product is higher than the cost of churning out one unit. This is why pills don’t cost 2¢ apiece, because it might have taken $200,000,000 to develop and test them and get them approved. So make sure you add in the cost of production, editing, sound mixing, titling, marketing, graphic design, the cameras, etc., etc., etc., divided back pro rata per unit. Do you know what those are? Yeah, I don’t either.
Careful Mark. If you start asking questions and breaking down costs like that someone might get upset.

On a different note (and directed to those who oppose this); even if a profit is made, people are assuming Father gets all the money. It’s likely that a lot of the profit (if there is any) goes back to the Order, which gives the Order as a whole more time to do other things and also provides the Order with money to get trivial things “food” and “drink”.
 
I assume that it costs no more than $20 a set to mass produce a set of DVDs. I’ll be generous and say the whole thing cost $50. Charging $300 is a 500% profit! I’m fine with that as long as people see this for what it is - making money. Even if all of the profit goes to his order (I assume it does), this is a business, not an apostolate.

That is my objection - this seems to be the cult of personality and the business of being Father Corapi.
Reluctantly greed…

The other thing that bugged me for a long time is Fr. John’s personal health. He clearly went though some sort of ordeal based on what he looked like in the past, what he looked like for quite a while and what he looks like today. Tons of speculation but never a note (that I saw) on his website or the sales e-mails he e-mails me bringing everyone up to date on his health status.

I do remember when he started his weekly speeches (via paid subscription) that he said he was unable to get around like he once did, hence the weekly lectures. It made me wonder why they simply weren’t uploaded to YouTube? It’s almost as if he wanted to fuel the speculation about his health…
 
Careful Mark. If you start asking questions and breaking down costs like that someone might get upset.

On a different note (and directed to those who oppose this); even if a profit is made, people are assuming Father gets all the money. It’s likely that a lot of the profit (if there is any) goes back to the Order, which gives the Order as a whole more time to do other things and also provides the Order with money to get trivial things “food” and “drink”.
OK, we have a sales price of $300.00/set for his DVDs. Why don’t you take a stab at justifying that number based on development and production costs along with a reasonable net profit margin?

Then I’ll do mine. I have some experience in costing things like this and I have watched at least one of the DVDs. Ready, set, go…
 
OK, we have a sales price of $300.00/set for his DVDs. Why don’t you take a stab at justifying that number based on development and production costs along with a reasonable net profit margin?

Then I’ll do mine. I have some experience in costing things like this and I have watched at least one of the DVDs. Ready, set, go…
Make sure you also factor in the VALUE of what you get OUT of his series on the Catechism - which is absolutely brilliant by the way, you’ve got to go through the whole thing, as I’ve done, to determine that.

Which is vastly greater than the value you get out of a Star Wars DVD or those series of 'The Shield. What IS the value of mere entertainment when compared with the value of Godly truth and a first-rate education in the fundamentals of one’s faith? Next to none.

And I don’t think the Catechism series is particuarly meant merely for private individuals to buy - it’s more a resource you’d get for a Parish library to lend out among its congregation, or provide to an RCIA instructor to show or lend among the whole class year after year. Unlike many DVD movies which get watched once or twice and then sit on the shelf.

Ever see the cost of some educational resources that, say, school libraries buy for their students, with not a word of complaint from the parents? It’s because they know they’re invaluable.

By the way - need I yet again point out that EWTN regularly repeats Father Corapi’s series on the Catechism? Again, it is something that anyone who can’t or doesn’t want to buy the DVDs can watch, either online or via cable. 🤷
 
Boat, you’re looking at the present tense. You need to look at the Big Picture. The past an the future. An example; before I jumped into IT, my “past life” was in TV Broadcasting. So don’t let the MS credentials fool you, I know a few things about DVD manufacturing and the creative process.

Lily brought up some great points, including a bit about educational materials often costing more (I’ll get into that later). But like I said earlier, I enjoy these kinds of things so lets roll. In fact, I think I can justify a high price point despite the fact I haven’t even seen the DVD’s,

||> We need to take into account the editing platform they use. These platforms can cost considerable amounts of money. And you can’t expect them to use pirated software either, as they are trying to make money off of these DVD’s. So now we need to look at the initial start up costs it took to build an editing platform.
  • Assume for a moment they are brainwashed and think that “we need to get a Mac for video editing” (very common, sadly). For what they are doing, they need to use a Mac Pro if they want to do it right. This of course, will cost them a few grand, not including a version of Final Cut Pro. Or they might have dropped two grand on Adobe Creative Suite so they can use Photoshop as well as Premiere.
*** Productivity suites are needed as well. MS Office costs some coin.

This is all assuming, of course, they have only one system doing all of the work. You’re looking at a price point of $10,000. At this point, to break even, they need to sell 33 DVD’s at 300 bucks a pop.

(This, of course, is assuming they didn’t by Discreet Logic. It also assumes they did not go all out and buy Media 100. Which, if they did buy Media 100, Father Corapi (or whoever decided to use it) has my near-infinite respect for their outstanding taste in editing platforms).

||> Next up is Disaster Recovery Management. They need to come up with a plan to back up their work (and video takes up a lot of hard drive space). Keep in mind they might do some rough edits with a lower quality video (20kb/second in addition to the standard 250kb/second) which means even more space will be chewed up. As a result they will need to come up with a system to back these up. To set up the infrastructure will of course cost money. Included in the cost of the Mac Pro above was RAID functionality and four functional hard drives. We will at this point assume that they are NOT using Windows Server 2008 or 2003 to manage this system and that this system is a stand alone machine. We will then assume, with four hard drives, they will utilize RAID 5 for both performance and redundancy. The cost of this was included above, however there still needs to be a general backup, as RAID only protects against hardware failure. So we back it up to an external device, such as automate a backup on some terabyte drives during off hours. Hard drives aren’t cheap, you know. Throw down two grand on that. We’re up to $12,000 of start up costs, which is 40 DVD’s.

||> Time. They need to hire someone to put this all together, to maintain it, and to do the editing. Assuming that someone is making 15 bucks an hour doing this, working eight hours a day. That works out to 600 bucks a week, which is two DVD’s. How many weeks does it take to make a video and edit it? I’ll be generous and say four (very generous). Now we’re up to 48 DVD’s needing to be sold to cover the cost of starting up.

||> Graphics need to be made. Probably at the same time as the editing. You need to drop another 5000 bucks for another system, (including software). About 17 DVD’s worth so we’re at 65 DVD’s to break even for start up costs.

||> The fun part begins now. I see the DVD’s are sold on a web site. If they host their own web server…there is some money involved with starting that up. You need a copy of Windows Server 2003/2008, you need a machine to host the web site, you need to set up IIS, you need to get security on the site, you need to secure your network from hackers. You need to pay domain name costs and bandwidth. You need someone to design the site, update the site, maintain the site,code the site.

Do their have their own E-Mail addresses? Now you need an EXCHANGE SERVER. Now we’re up to two servers. And in my humble MCITP opinion, you might as well throw down a domain controller too to help with everything and for centralized administration of the network so your IT guy doesn’t go insane in a mixed OS environment.

Three servers and now three additional pieces to backup some place. Three extra servers to administrate…and you won’t be paying that administrator 15 bucks an hour.

Should I spell the start up costs for that? I can if you want. But suffice to say…they’re need to sell some of those DVD’s.

||> Maintenance and administration is ongoing. You need to pay these salaries. These people are professionals and will be paid as such. You will not pay the head of your IT 10 bucks an hour. The editing guy needs money. Graphics guy needs money. The CAMERA guy needs money.

Money.

Keep in mind at this point as well, those 300 dollar DVD’s are heading to parishes like Lily said. That means that people might not buy a “take it home” series when they can just take it out at a library.

Oh wait, there IS no “take it home” version of the series. Because they likely know that this is designed for a class setting. This means that fewer people will buy the series, so they need to recoup the monies accordingly.

The implication is that the cost of a parish buying it will be outweighed by the amount of usage there is. 30 people take it out…10 bucks a person. Sounds more reasonable there, doesn’t it? Or maybe you buy the video and show it to 300 people over two years? 1 dollar a person. And just like if they brought it home…these people may never see it again.
 
In closing, without even seeing the DVD’s;
  • You don’t know their infrastructure or the start up costs. As I pointed out, these cost money.
  • You don’t know their staffing situation, these can cost money, specifically the IT portion.
  • The DVD’s are meant to not be purchased by individuals, be bought by a group then consumed over time by several. Breaking the cost down per viewer/per use clearly shows the cost is very reasonable.
Like I said before, until you know people should reserve judgment. But based on the above (and based on my experience as someone who has…some “knowledge” about these things), 300 bucks for a Catechism DVD set and 37 dollars to here Father speak seems reasonable to me.
 
Make sure you also factor in the VALUE of what you get OUT of his series on the Catechism - which is absolutely brilliant by the way, you’ve got to go through the whole thing, as I’ve done, to determine that.

Which is vastly greater than the value you get out of a Star Wars DVD or those series of 'The Shield. What IS the value of mere entertainment when compared with the value of Godly truth and a first-rate education in the fundamentals of one’s faith? Next to none.

And I don’t think the Catechism series is particuarly meant merely for private individuals to buy - it’s more a resource you’d get for a Parish library to lend out among its congregation, or provide to an RCIA instructor to show or lend among the whole class year after year. Unlike many DVD movies which get watched once or twice and then sit on the shelf.

Ever see the cost of some educational resources that, say, school libraries buy for their students, with not a word of complaint from the parents? It’s because they know they’re invaluable.

By the way - need I yet again point out that EWTN regularly repeats Father Corapi’s series on the Catechism? Again, it is something that anyone who can’t or doesn’t want to buy the DVDs can watch, either online or via cable. 🤷
NO!

Something like this should be priced using a net profit that is a % of the amortized development and actual production costs or strictly a blue-sky profit/set – “I’d like to clear $20.00/set.” Trying to set a $$$ value to preaching is repugnant. Pricing these sets at “the maximum the people will pay” is also repugnant – although that’s the very goal for commercial goods that are developed to turn a buck.
 
Wow. Catholics complaining about a $37 ticket for an all-day conference:

Saturday, August 7
Saturday’s event will include:
Four talks by Father John Corapi
Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament
(outside of main arena)
Sacrament of Reconciliation
Holy Mass con-celebrated by several priests
Music by Michael John Poirier & Friends

Schedule for the day…
8:00 am-Doors Open
9:00 am-10:00 am - First Talk
10:00 am-10:45 am - Break
10:45 am-11:45 am- Second Talk
11:45 am-1:30 pm- Lunch Break
1:30 pm-2:30 pm-Third Talk
2:30 pm-3:15 pm-Break
3:15pm-4:15 pm-Fourth Talk
4:15pm-5:00 pm-Break
5:00 pm Vigil Mass

And I thought us Baptists were cheap.😃
 
To Melchior :nope:

If memory serves Fr. John preached 50 weeks in a row when he was in Sacramento, CA at the behest of Bp. William Wiegand. Those 50 sessions netted over 58 hours of Fr. John at the pulpit. Each session was sponsored by the Diocese of Sacramento. A remarkable achievement. Keep in mind that the purpose was to preach directly to people attending – it was not a movie set for creating DVDs. So while I am certain many, many thousands of Fr. John’s and volunteer hours went into creating those 58 hours the incremental cost of actually videoing what was already taking place was not great. There were no multiple cameras, there was not a huge amount of editing to show them on EWTN. It was very simple video.

Contract video people get far less than $200.00/hour around here. Let’s say each recording cost $400 – quite probable if they signed a contract for all 58 hours, although it’s also quite probable a volunteer did it for the cost of media. So $23,200 for the 58 hours.

Fr. John then worked with EWTN (he mentioned this on EWTN) to have the footage readied for eventual sale on DVDs. Much of the work had already been done by EWTN (to make it ready for cable) but there was no doubt additional work – particularly video editing artwork for the box, DVD sleeves, etc. I suspect this additional work was bartered with EWTN in exchange for the right to air the content on EWTN – a great deal for both parties. So I don’t believe there were a huge amount of developments fees to amortize/recover.

I need to make one huge assumption. I will assume that total projected sales for the DVD set will be 100K units. That might seem ridiculously high OR low depending on how you are going to attack my comments but that’s a fair number in my estimation. So that gives us $23,200/100,000 units or .24/DVD set in raw video costs.

Now we are getting down to actual production costs. The burning of the DVDs, the printing, boxing, etc. would have been done by an outside vendor or possibly EWTN. For a 12 DVD set including a box and a brochure your talking no more than $25.00/set. Fr. John probably doesn’t have a giant distribution warehouse so he probably has planned-out smaller, multiple shipments with his supplier which does cost more – although his money is not tied up either. So let’s double the cost to $50.00/set in quantities of say 1000 sets which I suspect his logistical system can deal with.

Now I want to look at direct sales costs (website work, other advertising, booking orders, shipping orders, postage, etc.) and general & administrative (“G&A”) costs – overhead. I actually think direct sales costs could be quite high – as much as 25% of production costs. I would think G&A costs are very low but I’ll apply 25% of production costs to that as well. That’s $12.50 plus $12.50 or $25.00 plus the 50.00 for production or $75.00 total.

What’s a good profit margin on the total costs of sales? SONY would absolutely kill for 50% (they would actually kill for a fraction of that) so let’s go with that given the comments about popular music. That’s 1.5($75.24) = $112.86 at 50% net margin.

Fr. John is selling direct. There is no distributor channel to deal with and Amazon is not getting their cut for the most part.

I suspect my cost estimates are very fat but then again they might not be projecting 100K units. Fr. John might not have been able to barter all the artwork and editing with ETWN – he might have had to pay them for at least some of it. Fr. John may have had EWTN do the actual production rather than going off-shore.

All in all though, show me a better cost estimate – but you had better do it from a position of fact and not what copies of MS Office cost…
 
I am counting down the days until I get to see Fr. Corapi. I have been waiting in anticipation for a year now when I first heard he was coming to San Antonio. I love the way he preaches and he has been instrumental in my spiritual growth. I purchased VIP tickets and two $50 tickets for my parents because I know this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for us. I do not think this is too much for what is being offered. Some seem to think that Fr. Corapi gets to pocket all the profits, please do some research. Proceeds will be going to The Alexander House and whatever Fr. Corapi makes, actually goes straight to his community. Unlike preachers like Joel Osteen, for example, (who really does make a fortune), Fr. Corapi has taken a vow of poverty meaning he only gets to keep what his superior allows him. Also $37 is nothing compared to hundreds (even thousands) of dollars people spend per ticket to see the basketball games at the ATT center. I pray that the event is successful and that Fr. Corapi is able to bring people closer to the Church.
 
I do not know why this event is debatable. If you do not want to go, don’t go. However, do not judge those that do, or those that put it on, unless you can show where the Catholic Church has *explicitly *prohibited from charging for conferences. In lack of any prohibition, charity should allow each to make their own decision to go or not, and assume the best motives for those putting it on.
 
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Saturday’s event will include:
Four talks by Father John Corapi
Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament
(outside of main arena)
Sacrament of Reconciliation
Holy Mass con-celebrated by several priests

Music by Michael John Poirier & Friends…
I really hope the bolded and underlined parts are free and somehow open to the public or it’s bordering on simony. Logistically, I can understand keeping it open only to those who pay for tickets. It still feels so wrong, though- and no. I don’t need a specific canon to tell me that refusing entry to adoration, reconciliation, or mass to anyone but paying ticket holders feels wrong.
… Someone mentioned him being a millionaire, where are the facts? …
corporatecrimereporter.com/redding111505.htm

I posted this link when I mentioned him being a millionaire. I didn’t realize he was in an order. If he’s in an order, I assume he gave that money away after receiving it.

And on the requirement posted by some that we look at this with automatically charitable eyes, remember that it was a vowed priest (Johann Tetzel) who received much of the blame for Martin Luther’s ire. While his personal role in the development of protestantism is now in doubt, what’s not in doubt is that Catholic simony played a big part in it. Any time something feels like simony, my eye will be more critical than charitable.
 
I really hope the bolded and underlined parts are free and somehow open to the public or it’s bordering on Simony.
Rubbish.

Someone who owns, say, a Rosary blessed by the Pope, has every right to sell that Rosary to someone else. Of course they aren’t charging for the blessing, they’re charging for the costs of postage to the buyer and the like. It’s not simony to charge for the legitimate costs of sending an item, albeit a blessed one, to anotehr person. They certainly can’t charge MORE than a similar unblessed rosary would cost to purchase or mail, but they can nonetheless charge money.

Here, too, Father Corapi isn’t charging people to attend Mass. He’s charging them to attend the conference, which he is entitled to do.

People at World Youth Day were charged attendance for some events. Some of those included Mass, but they weren’t being charged to attend Mass, they were being charged to attend whatever conference or retreat the Mass was a part of. None of these events, you may be sure, cost more than a similar conference would’ve done without Mass. 🤷

So there’s no simony involved in the case. It’s not the Mass that is being charged money for, but purely the conference.

Put it in terms that may make it easier to understand - parishes frequently charge people (at least those who can afford it) to be married in their Church. Those people aren’t paying for the sacrament, they’re paying for the costs associated with using the building - electricity, cleaning beforehand and afterwards and the like. Asking for payment in regards these expenses is not simony, and certainly parishes will frequently waive the fee for poor couples.
 
I am counting down the days until I get to see Fr. Corapi. I have been waiting in anticipation for a year now when I first heard he was coming to San Antonio. I love the way he preaches and he has been instrumental in my spiritual growth. I purchased VIP tickets and two $50 tickets for my parents because I know this is a once in a lifetime opportunity for us. I do not think this is too much for what is being offered. Some seem to think that Fr. Corapi gets to pocket all the profits, please do some research. Proceeds will be going to The Alexander House and whatever Fr. Corapi makes, actually goes straight to his community. Unlike preachers like Joel Osteen, for example, (who really does make a fortune), Fr. Corapi has taken a vow of poverty meaning he only gets to keep what his superior allows him. Also $37 is nothing compared to hundreds (even thousands) of dollars people spend per ticket to see the basketball games at the ATT center. I pray that the event is successful and that Fr. Corapi is able to bring people closer to the Church.
Amen. Father Corapi has motivated millions in the Catholic Church to examine their faith life and fall in love with the Church all over again. God has a special place in heaven for Father John Corapi.
 
Fataher Corapi’s prices are no more expensive than what EWTN charges for their DVD’s. You can check this out in their religious catalogue on their website.
 
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