4 yr old falls into gorilla enclosure at zoo

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This was posted on Facebook today by Amanda O’Donoughue, a photographer from Florida who has also worked with gorillas:

I am going to try to clear up a few things that have been weighing on me about Harambe and the Cinci Zoo since I read the news this afternoon.
I have worked with Gorillas as a zookeeper while in my twenties (before children) and they are my favorite animal (out of dozens) that I have ever worked closely with. I am gonna go ahead and list a few facts, thoughts and opinions for those of you that aren’t familiar with the species itself, or how a zoo operates in emergency situations.

Now Gorillas are considered ‘gentle giants’ at least when compared with their more aggressive cousins the chimpanzee, but a 400+ pound male in his prime is as strong as roughly 10 adult humans. What can you bench press? OK, now multiply that number by ten. An adult male silverback gorilla has one job, to protect his group. He does this by bluffing or intimidating anything that he feels threatened by.

Gorillas are considered a Class 1 mammal, the most dangerous class of mammals in the animal kingdom, again, merely due to their size and strength. They are grouped in with other apes, tigers, lions, bears, etc.
While working in an AZA accredited zoo with Apes, keepers DO NOT work in contact with them. Meaning they do NOT go in with these animals. There is always a welded mesh barrier between the animal and the humans.
In more recent decades, zoos have begun to redesign enclosures, removing all obvious caging and attempting to create a seamless view of the animals for the visitor to enjoy watching animals in a more natural looking habitat. this is great until little children begin falling into exhibits which of course can happen to anyone, especially in a crowded zoo-like setting.

I have watched this video over again, and with the silverback’s postering, and tight lips, it’s pretty much the stuff of any keeper’s nightmares, and I have had MANY while working with them. This job is not for the complacent. Gorillas are kind, curious, and sometimes silly, but they are also very large, very strong animals. I always brought my OCD to work with me. checking and rechecking locks to make sure my animals and I remained separated before entering to clean.

I keep hearing that the Gorilla was trying to protect the boy. I do not find this to be true. Harambe reaches for the boys hands and arms, but only to position the child better for his own displaying purposes.
Males do very elaborate displays when highly agitated, slamming and dragging things about. Typically they would drag large branches, barrels and heavy weighted balls around to make as much noise as possible. Not in an effort to hurt anyone or anything (usually) but just to intimidate. It was clear to me that he was reacting to the screams coming from the gathering crowd.

Harambe was most likely not going to separate himself from that child without seriously hurting him first (again due to mere size and strength, not malicious intent) Why didn’t they use treats? well, they attempted to call them off exhibit (which animals hate), the females in the group came in, but Harambe did not. What better treat for a captive animal than a real live kid!
They didn’t use Tranquilizers for a few reasons, A. Harambe would’ve taken too long to become immobilized, and could have really injured the child in the process as the drugs used may not work quickly enough depending on the stress of the situation and the dose B. Harambe would’ve have drowned in the moat if immobilized in the water, and possibly fallen on the boy trapping him and drowning him as well.
Many zoos have the protocol to call on their expertly trained dart team in the event of an animal escape or in the event that a human is trapped with a dangerous animal. They will evaluate the scene as quickly and as safely as possible, and will make the most informed decision as how they will handle the animal.
I can’t point fingers at anyone in this situation, but we need to really evaluate the safety of the animal enclosures from the visitor side. Not impeding that view is a tough one, but there should be no way that someone can find themselves inside of an animal’s exhibit.
I know one thing for sure, those keepers lost a beautiful, and I mean gorgeous silverback and friend. I feel their loss with them this week. As educators and conservators of endangered species, all we can do is shine a light on the beauty and majesty of these animals in hopes to spark a love and a need to keep them from vanishing from our planet. Child killers, they are not. It’s unfortunate for the conservation of the species, and the loss of revenue a beautiful zoo such as Cinci will lose. tragedy all around.
Thank you bluerose, God Bless, Memaw
 
I agree.

I remember my husband telling me the sheer panic he witnessed once during Christmas shopping. A little guy hid between the racks of clothes, and his mom couldn’t find him. The woman was in panic until he finally came out.

It just takes a moment for a little kid to wander away.

It shouldn’t have been that easy to fall in. I’m glad he’s ok and survived the fall and being manhandled by a gorilla (or is it gorillahandled).
That’s exactly it.

It honestly could not have been that easy. There are other kids there of the same age so how come none of them tried the same thing? There are probably multiple reasons.

One being parents warning their kids of danger.
 
That’s exactly it.

It honestly could not have been that easy. There are other kids there of the same age so how come none of them tried the same thing? There are probably multiple reasons.

One being parents warning their kids of danger.
Three and four year-olds are not known for remembering things (unless it is embarrassing to their parents when said in a loud voice).

Unless you tie them to you, it is amazing how quickly they can get away, especially considering how short their legs are.

And let’s not even discuss locked doors and child-proof containers. As my mom used to say, it is quite amazing how many kids made it to adulthood given what they get into.

I would suggest people watch Please Don’t Eat The Daisies, starring Doris Day. The youngest child is quite the escape artist.
 
I believe in the US householders have the right to shoot any intruder on their property,this must be the exception to the rule where the householder gets shot. No animal keeper I’ve met would ever wake up and think today,i’d like to shoot something. In a litigious nation the bottom line will always rule and I hope the zoo will counterclaim against the lose of a valuable animal. **In pure breeding terms a silverback outranks a four year old. In decades of watching David Attenborough’s documentaries,I’ve realized we’re not the crowning glory of His creation - that is what surrounds us. **The silverback and his family did not choose to get on a ‘plane and buy a compound in Cincinatti. We put them there and chose to gawp at them. We will be judged collectively - a murder, a manslaughter,a war or a public execution (not the animal). Oh yes and dont’ bore me with how valuable your personal breeding programmes are,i’ve had to put up with and pay taxes for them
This is a perfectly chilling statement and an untenable view for anyone who identifies as a Christian.

Humans are made “in the image and likeness of God.” No matter how rare or endangered or valuable or beautiful, no non-human is.
 
Three and four year-olds are not known for remembering things (unless it is embarrassing to their parents when said in a loud voice).

Unless you tie them to you, it is amazing how quickly they can get away, especially considering how short their legs are.

And let’s not even discuss locked doors and child-proof containers. As my mom used to say, it is quite amazing how many kids made it to adulthood given what they get into.

I would suggest people watch Please Don’t Eat The Daisies, starring Doris Day. The youngest child is quite the escape artist.
I was able to climb out of my crib and would be waiting at the door to my room for my mother as she has told me before. I believe that was before I was 3 or 4 though. Anyway what I am trying to say is that.

If kids are not being watched things can happen. I have no kids myself and I know this to be fact. That is why people lock the cabinets and use safety gates. They put breakables up on high shelves or put them away. What I want to know is why a mother let this happen to their child. I know kids get into trouble sometimes but this was worse then that.

A child could have died and that is serious.
 
Three and four year-olds are not known for remembering things (unless it is embarrassing to their parents when said in a loud voice).
That made me SOL! 😃

snicker out loud
Unless you tie them to you, it is amazing how quickly they can get away, especially considering how short their legs are.
Indeed.
And let’s not even discuss locked doors and child-proof containers. As my mom used to say, it is quite amazing how many kids made it to adulthood given what they get into.
Yep.

No one knows the real story, so attempting to blame the mom, when we have no idea if it was her fault or not, is unkind.

She may have been bending down trying to find her camera to capture the cute thing her 4 year old was doing (PRIOR to climbing the wall), got pushed, shoved, separated from the child, in the mean time her 3 year old nephew announced he had to go to the bathroom, and the baby started crying…so…

it may not be her fault.

And to consider that it was is just bad Christian practice.
 
I believe in the US householders have the right to shoot any intruder on their property,this must be the exception to the rule where the householder gets shot. No animal keeper I’ve met would ever wake up and think today,i’d like to shoot something. In a litigious nation the bottom line will always rule and I hope the zoo will counterclaim against the lose of a valuable animal. In pure breeding terms a silverback outranks a four year old. In decades of watching David Attenborough’s documentaries,I’ve realized we’re not the crowning glory of His creation - that is what surrounds us. The silverback and his family did not choose to get on a ‘plane and buy a compound in Cincinatti. We put them there and chose to gawp at them. We will be judged collectively - a murder, a manslaughter,a war or a public execution (not the animal). Oh yes and dont’ bore me with how valuable your personal breeding programmes are,i’ve had to put up with and pay taxes for them
So just stand around and let the child get killed because he “deserved” it? chilling indeed
Zoos need to re-think securing the enclosures for these animals. Better yet, perhaps we should rethink keeping endangered animals In Zoos altogether.
 
So just stand around and let the child get killed because he “deserved” it? chilling indeed.
There’s no reasoning with animal-first fanatics. You’d get better results knocking your head repeatedly into a brick wall.

This sort of stuff is best ignored.

ICXC NIKA
 
There’s no reasoning with animal-first fanatics. You’d get better results knocking your head repeatedly into a brick wall.

This sort of stuff is best ignored.

ICXC NIKA
My m and sister ate both animal first fanatics. My mom actually said it’d be one less idiot in the world. No we font see eye to eye on a lot of things. I straight up told her that was an evil thing to say and she didn’t say anything else.
 
A couple good columns about this tragedy, both very compassionate:
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/...ion=click&contentCollection=meter-links-click
Who Is to Blame When a Child Wanders at the Zoo?

Shaming is easy; mourning is hard

the second one points out:
As I calmed down, I remembered that moment in the park with Katie. And soon I saw a number of other parents on social media sharing their own confessions of that one time when … . Of course it didn’t need to happen, but that moment at the zoo is one the mother will suffer for the rest of her life. Raising a child to age 18 means maneuvering him or her safely through more than 567 million seconds, and it only takes one of those seconds for something to go terribly awry.
As for parents the parents not being attentive enough I remember a few years ago I saw a woman with three kids in the grocery and the youngest a 2-3 y.o. on a harness with leash. People were looking daggers at her and making nasty remarks. If it happened now I’m sure some people would have posted pics on FB with nasty captions.
 
I believe in the US householders have the right to shoot any intruder on their property,this must be the exception to the rule where the householder gets shot. No animal keeper I’ve met would ever wake up and think today,i’d like to shoot something. In a litigious nation the bottom line will always rule and I hope the zoo will counterclaim against the lose of a valuable animal. In pure breeding terms a silverback outranks a four year old. In decades of watching David Attenborough’s documentaries,I’ve realized we’re not the crowning glory of His creation - that is what surrounds us. The silverback and his family did not choose to get on a ‘plane and buy a compound in Cincinatti. We put them there and chose to gawp at them. We will be judged collectively - a murder, a manslaughter,a war or a public execution (not the animal). Oh yes and dont’ bore me with how valuable your personal breeding programmes are,i’ve had to put up with and pay taxes for them
So they should have given the gorilla a gun and let him shoot the boy? I can’t even imagine how frightened that little boy was, God Bless, Memaw
 
So they should have given the gorilla a gun and let him shoot the boy? I can’t even imagine how frightened that little boy was, God Bless, Memaw
Dear Memaw,

Animal fanatics aren’t worth arguing with. The very idea that the whole country would be judged for the shooting of an ape is preposterous.

In every other animal species, protection of their own young is paramount. The very fact that we can agonize over the need to kill a member of another species, shows that there is something special about human life; the gorilla would not have grieved in any way had he crushed the boy’s head while “playing” with him.

ICXC NIKA
 
I believe in the US householders have the right to shoot any intruder on their property,this must be the exception to the rule where the householder gets shot.
Exactly right.

Except from the fact that this wasn’t a house, the gorilla didn’t own it, US homeowners do not have unlimited right to shoot on their property, the gorilla wasn’t human, and you neglected to mention there was a child involved.

Otherwise, this is just like the scenario you mentioned… 🤷
 
I haven’t read all of the thread, but I’m of the opinion that there should be no animals held in zoo’s…

I’m sad the gorilla had to be killed, but realise that would be the response of the keepers who obviously hadn’t a clue what to do.
 
I haven’t read all of the thread, but I’m of the opinion that there should be no animals held in zoo’s…

I’m sad the gorilla had to be killed, but realise that would be the response of the keepers who obviously hadn’t a clue what to do.
They didn’t lack clues.

The problem was there were no courses of action that would reliably end with both beings alive.

ICXC NIKA
 
Dear Memaw,

Animal fanatics aren’t worth arguing with. The very idea that the whole country would be judged for the shooting of an ape is preposterous.

In every other animal species, protection of their own young is paramount. The very fact that we can agonize over the need to kill a member of another species, shows that there is something special about human life; the gorilla would not have grieved in any way had he crushed the boy’s head while “playing” with him.

ICXC NIKA
Yes exactly. And I don’t know whether the mother was watching the young boy closely or was being negligent, but the child’s life is still paramount.
Actually as the mother of two young men who were once very active young toddlers, there was more than one occasion my youngest, who was a runner, slipped away from me.
And I have been called a “helicopter Mom” by some of my friends. I did manage to catch up to him quickly. But he had no fear of running to see something, not being afraid to get away from Mom when he was 2-4 years old. Until he got older there were some venues I just didn’t go to, when I was alone unless I had his Dad along.
 
Dear Memaw,

Animal fanatics aren’t worth arguing with. The very idea that the whole country would be judged for the shooting of an ape is preposterous.

In every other animal species, protection of their own young is paramount. The very fact that we can agonize over the need to kill a member of another species, shows that there is something special about human life; the gorilla would not have grieved in any way had he crushed the boy’s head while “playing” with him.

ICXC NIKA
Evidently a lot of humans feel the same way, God help us, God Bless, Memaw
 
I saw some of the footage.

That the child only had a concussion is incredible.

He could have drowned by being dragged through the water, his leg could have been dislocated or badly broken, He could have died.

A few years ago a tiger escaped from its enclosure, I think in California. It turns out the enclosure walls weren’t high enough.

The Bronx zoo had a similar exhibit for the gorillas as the Cincinnati zoo years ago.

Now they are behind a glass enclosure, in a special gorilla exhibit.
 
I saw some of the footage.

That the child only had a concussion is incredible.

He could have drowned by being dragged through the water, his leg could have been dislocated or badly broken, He could have died.

A few years ago a tiger escaped from its enclosure, I think in California. It turns out the enclosure walls weren’t high enough.

The Bronx zoo had a similar exhibit for the gorillas as the Cincinnati zoo years ago.

Now they are behind a glass enclosure, in a special gorilla exhibit.
I heard on the news they are raising the fence on the enclosure now, thank goodness, God Bless, Memaw
 
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