There was a reason for that rule which has been stated clearly more than once on CAF. Clergy were using their influence to advance their children.
I am sorry what you went through. You are obviously a very strong and determined person. However, I do not think anyone should go through what you did. I believe everyone has basic rights including the right to eat. Yes, there are lazy, unscrupulous people who take advantage of systems put in place to help the needy but a wise priest told me that he gave the benefit of the doubt. We do the right thing and if our help is abused, it is not our sin, what we did is still right and good.
No, your birth was a blessing, a gift of God.
If the Church today took that attitude, I would leave. It is the holier than thou people who think they have the righ to judge and condemn.So you think that unmarried women who become mothers should be hidden away? Attitudes like this remind me why I never felt a part of the Church
That is a lovely, real “Christian” post.
Although my mom was married when she got pregnant her husband turned on a dime in to an abusive, drunk monster. He always had a problem, but it exploded when she got pregnant. My brother moved her out of the house and in with her mother in the middle of the night while he was at a bar. So I have never met my father or his family, so while my mom didn’t “sin”, I am for all intents and purposes “illegitimate”. I definitely stand on the side of single moms, no matter how they got that way, who do the best they can and give everything they have over the people who would say that these families are the biggest threat to society. That’s not even a question.
‘Illegitimate’ is a disgusting word. You were clearly very legitimate to someone, or you wouldn’t have been raised with all the love that you were.
Rome was built by two who were raised by wolves. Are you planning to build a great city or two? I like wolves and I am sure you were brought up right.
Well, my friend, we all have to bear the consequences of accepting baptism, too. We are owned by Christ. We have been bought, and at a price; we are not our own.Maybe I am still bitter about Obama’s win but this mentality of “deserves” bothers me to no end. This is a rant, I admit that.
Seriously why do you believe they deserve anything? Living does not mean you deserve to be served and cared for by people who actually produce something in this world through hard work and not by the act of lying on one’s back. She got pregnant, There is no mystery how one gets pregnant.
Gwaaaaaaaa.Code:Yes people make mistakes but what happened to the idea that actions have consequences. You should be held ultimately responsible for those actions. I should not have to pay for an abortion nor should have to pay feed a child and a mother. These idea of helping is not working. We have tried for at least thirty years. Mothers now a days are not having not one child out wedlock they are having multiple children out of wed lock with different fathers. The idea of supporting them and helping them is not working, Wake up, Maybe shame and the fact you are already watching one child starve is enough to help these women learn not to have sex until they can afford the fruits of it.
I feel better
If you have read this poster’s posts on other threads, you would know you would not be unhappy with his point.
I don’t think anyone is arguing that it’s impossible for a single parent to raise a child well.
Okay the statement was hyperbolic but according to this old story Out of Wedlock Births on the Rise my google fu pulled up. Germany has spiked from 12 to 30% over the past 30 years. I have no info on how unification affected the change. I had a global number but my search skills fail me and they are also spiking. Despite China’s population not adding to the rate because of their abortion policies
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A very good point. You have touched on the root of the problem. Fornication seems not to be taken very seriously, yet the consequences have been quite disastrous, in terms of abortion, abandoned mothers and children, and loss of family stability, which is steadily undermining the very structure of our civilization.
You’re not equating a mother who is willing to raise her own child, even though the child’s father is not there, with* smoking*, are you? Please. That’s an awful analogy. A single capable mother is a piece of the right picture, providing a positive good even though lacking in another positive good. Smoking, OTOH, is not a necessary component of any picture of healthful living.
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There are parishes when the concept of mortal sin or the concept of the temporal consequences of “moral mistakes” are not openly discussed in homilies at all. I was going to add “the concept of temporal consequences that are not removed by confession and absolution,” but there are also parishes where the concept of confession and absolution themselves are just as foreign as the concept of temporal consequences, so my example would be getting far ahead of the problem. There is a lot of explanation of mercy and forgiveness, which is a good thing, but the pendulum does seem to have swung not only far from the other wrong extreme of wallowing exclusively in shaming and condemnation but far out to the point where sin is hardly considered something that concerns God or humankind whatsoever. (That is, “only uptight, fearful, repressed, and judgmental people who commit the true offense before heaven of not minding their own business worry about sin”.)
Oh, you don’t know me very well, or you would not try to patronize me about my understanding of analogies. Anyone who knows me remotely could tell you I take analogies very seriously, and I use them often, here and elsewhere. I did not have any difficulty with that portion of the SAT, sir.<sigh.>
I don’t think you understand analogies, EJ.
The above are alike as analogs only.
Take this very simple analogy:
Christmas tree : ornament :: earlobe : earring.
If someone says, “How dare you equate a beautiful 6 foot tall, majestic, green Christmas tree with a fleshy, cartilaginous, 2 centimeter earlobe! Your analogy fails. An earlobe is NOT a Christmas tree!”…clearly you see that this person hasn’t a clue how to understand analogies.
And if they add, “Oh, and Christmas trees need water and earlobes don’t, so your analogy fails” you can just dismiss them as folks who just can’t think in the abstract.
