43,000 denomination source

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Memaw said:
The Catholic Church is THE Church founded by Jesus Christ and HE certainly didn’t call it a denomination!! God Bless, Memaw
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Correct, as I also stated, that is the CC teaching about herself.

Blessings
 
benhur said:
You are saying it is a church.
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Nope. Never have.

In fact, you can look at all my posts where I’ve expressly said it’s NOT a church.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=8721797&postcount=145
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forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=9597162&postcount=86
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PRmerger said:
jay, Evangelical Christianity is a BEHEMOTH–with tens of thousands of different denominations, each preaching their own views–some of them *contrary *to the others!—each claiming that their interpretation of Scripture is the correct one.

So I never, ever group ECs as one single entity, (except to note that they all subscribe to the paradigm of Sola Scriptura.)"
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GKC said:
…their figures, derived from their definitions, are not applicable to the time honored topic of how many denominations are there, using some other definition of denomination.
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Correct.
 
GKC said:
Frequently. And on this particular topic, I’ve known it for years. The organization in question defines “denomination” differently, for their own idiosyncratic statistical purposes, from most commonly accepted definitions you might find. It’s their study, they can define things as they wish. Folks who use the figures without knowing what they stand for can make egregious errors trying to compare apples and oranges, assuming that what they might use a word to mean is what the folks who do that study meant them to mean.
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Correct. I look at it this way: where they say 236 different Roman Catholic denominations, there is actually only one. Similarly, if they say 43000 different denominations, they are really talking about 43000/236 or 182 different “denominations” at most.
 
PRmerger said:
Nope. Never have.

In fact, you can look at all my posts where I’ve expressly said it’s NOT a church.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=8721797&postcount=145
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=9432776&postcount=344
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=9597162&postcount=86
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=9774542&postcount=626
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=10070899&postcount=112
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Nope, you have not said that. I retract. Just that first you criticize protestantism for having many denominations, then criticize for not having definitive answers as one would as if they were a single denomination, instead of looking at each individual denomination’s teachings. Again it is like me saying that non- protestant churches (Catholics, Oriental Orthodox, Eastern Orthodox) do not have a single leader either, or single definitive answers on a few things also.

Blessings
 
benhur said:
Nope, you have not said that. I retract.
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Thank you. And that is exactly why you’re one of my favorite posters on this thread! :hug1:
Just that first you criticize protestantism for having many denominations
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Yes.
then criticize for not having definitive answers as one would as if they were a single denomination,
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Well, yes. That’s also a valid criticism. If the Bible were truly the source of all the answers, then all you SS folks would have unified doctrines.
 
I live in a fairly large city.

If I had the time and energy, I could get on a bike and go down every street in the city…and note the various churches in our area…alot…and some are very small, and could easily be mistaken for a shop.

Or I could access our old phone book and see how many show up…alot.

How I pray we be one…not just in our mutual faith in Christ, but at the altar of the Lamb.
 
Can anyone point me to where I can find a table or list of theological differences of the various Protestant groups? I am rather confused as to what is believed by which denomination. What would be a good list of differences in theological beliefs? I am trying to assess how many permutations of theological differences can really result in that many denominations.

Simple maths however do point to possibly millions if there are let say 10 theological differences and theoretical combinations can result in huge numbers. A matrix of some sort would be really useful I’d think. A kind of handy chart or table.
 
ericc said:
Can anyone point me to where I can find a table or list of theological differences of the various Protestant groups? I am rather confused as to what is believed by which denomination. What would be a good list of differences in theological beliefs? I am trying to assess how many permutations of theological differences can really result in that many denominations.

Simple maths however do point to possibly millions if there are let say 10 theological differences and theoretical combinations can result in huge numbers. A matrix of some sort would be really useful I’d think. A kind of handy chart or table.
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Sometimes it is not the theological differences, but the differences in final “human” authority. Aka, who has the authority to correct a pastor or minister when he is wrong, who decides whether they will accept female ordinations, gay marriage, etc.

Sometimes it is just schism, not differences beliefs. But schisms often lead to different theology down the road.
 
Tomdstone said:
Correct. I look at it this way: where they say 236 different Roman Catholic denominations, there is actually only one. Similarly, if they say 43000 different denominations, they are really talking about 43000/236 or 182 different “denominations” at most.
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No matter how many different denominations, they are to many, as Jesus Christ only founded one Church and promised it would never teach error and it would be here till the End of the World. The One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. The TRUTH will set you free. All it takes is some honest searching for the TRUTH. Ask Scott Hahn, Marcus Grodi and many other protestant ministers that did just that and became Catholic. They found the TRUTH. God Bless, Memaw
 
ericc said:
Can anyone point me to where I can find a table or list of theological differences of the various Protestant groups? I am rather confused as to what is believed by which denomination. What would be a good list of differences in theological beliefs? I am trying to assess how many permutations of theological differences can really result in that many denominations.

Simple maths however do point to possibly millions if there are let say 10 theological differences and theoretical combinations can result in huge numbers. A matrix of some sort would be really useful I’d think. A kind of handy chart or table.
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I posted the computations back in 2009, and then again in 2014.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=5714142&postcount=30
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=12167202&postcount=91

Over 130,000 different permutations of doctrinal belief, if we just use 17 different doctrinal differences.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

And that’s being very conservative with the different belief systems. Just from being here on the CAFs it’s quite clear to me that there are way more than 17 different doctrinal disputes.
 
PRmerger said:
I posted the computations back in 2009, and then again in 2014.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=5714142&postcount=30
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=12167202&postcount=91

Over 130,000 different permutations of doctrinal belief, if we just use 17 different doctrinal differences.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

And that’s being very conservative with the different belief systems. Just from being here on the CAFs it’s quite clear to me that there are way more than 17 different doctrinal disputes.
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Can you share those 17 different doctrinal beliefs? I thought the numbers would be bigger as some responses could be more than a binary yes/no.
 
ericc said:
Can you share those 17 different doctrinal beliefs? I thought the numbers would be bigger as some responses could be more than a binary yes/no.
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Sola Scriptura
Sola Fide
OSAS
The Role of Saints
Real Presence
Infant Baptism
Identity of Jesus as “God/Man”:
Saturday/Sunday Worship

Beliefs about church governance
Ecclesiology (Role of the Church)
How literally to interpret to scripture
Beliefs about free will and original sin
Beliefs about suffering (redemptive, punishment for sin, etc. )
Beliefs about healing and miracles (Word of faith movement)
Beliefs about afterlife (purgatory, permanence of hell)
Beliefs about prosperity and tithing
End time Beliefs
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=5271161&postcount=23

A poster named CDNowak addressed the binary possibility here:
Hmm, assuming binary (yes or no) total permutations would be: 2^17=131,072. The 33,000 number would only necessitate 15 binary options (2^15~32,768). Of course many of these aren’t binary (the rapture, only a division of End Times beliefs, alone has at least 4 options).forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=5710554&postcount=28
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Tomdstone said:
But was it an error to teach that it is the will of the Holy Spirit that heretics be burned at the stake?
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God may indeed will that some individuals are killed for their offense.

Capital punishment is not inherently evil.

“There is the possibility that the application of the death penalty was willed in one period, but is not willled today. There is also the possibility that he wills it in the case of some offenses against the faith but not others, or that he wills it in the case of some individuals but not others, or that he neither wills for nor against it.”(source: Jimmy Akin)
 
“There is the possibility that the application of the death penalty was willed in one period, but is not willled today. There is also the possibility that he wills it in the case of some offenses against the faith but not others, or that he wills it in the case of some individuals but not others, or that he neither wills for nor against it.”(source: Jimmy Akin)

A bit non committal, all over the place, not rocking the boat of past or present, but understandable when trying not to avoid any error while trying to seem “open”. Forbid him to say there is the possibility also that He did not will such and such a individual, or such an offense against the faith, or during some period the application of the death penalty that was then still carried out. That would honestly cover all the bases.
 
benhur said:
“There is the possibility that the application of the death penalty was willed in one period, but is not willled today. There is also the possibility that he wills it in the case of some offenses against the faith but not others, or that he wills it in the case of some individuals but not others, or that he neither wills for nor against it.”(source: Jimmy Akin)

A bit non committal, all over the place, not rocking the boat of past or present, but understandable when trying not to avoid any error while trying to seem “open”. Forbid him to say there is the possibility also that He did not will such and such a individual, or such an offense against the faith, or during some period the application of the death penalty. That would honestly cover all the bases.
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Right.

So we can see that the charge that the Church was wrong to condemn that “it is contrary to the will of the Spirit to put heretics to death” is without merit.

God could certainly have willed it. Or not willed it. 🤷
 
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