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friardchips
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Quite so. Because it is not our own ideas being put forward but the very belief God Himself offered and still offers to us. As the following post said:
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johnnyc176
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So what does reading the Bible mean if you are getting it wrong?
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Lenten_ashes
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I wouldn’t underestimate the power of God with a heart that yearns for him…
Even if all they are getting is 70% correct(often the case), they are doing well for themselves.
We receive grace from reading the Word. I’m certain I saw that in the Catechism somewhere…
So what Fr. Corapi used to always say seems true, protestants often do more with less. And this poll tells us why…like half of our base our stunting their own spiritual growth.
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friardchips
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Catholics, don’t so much read their Bibles, as they do pray them.
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johnnyc176
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Okay but what you said about Catholics applies to protestants also. If you cut yourself off from the Church that Jesus founded. The Church where you can receive the Sacraments He instituted for you, etc. And what of the protestant that is ‘yearning’ for God and uses his false beliefs about God that He supposedly learned from reading his bible and seeks to lead those badly catechized Catholics away from the Church that Jesus founded?
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PolliceVerso
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Right, Reformed folk (myself included) do believe in a real spiritual efficacy. But we are the minority - most Protestants view it as a nice symbol and maybe a time of reflection. That’s about it.
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fnr
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One of the reasons I think the English translation of the Our Father that we all use in mass and daily prayers needs to reflect the underlying Greek. The Greek word that we now are translating as “daily” is actually the word, epiouios. It doesn’t mean “daily.” It comes from two Greek roots:
“EPI” means across, beyond, superimposed upon, or intermingled… you might says “trans.” English words like “epidermis” (layer of cells on top of the derma), “epidemic,” (a disease affecting a large population), etc. use it.
“OUSIA” means essence, being, or even material.
The oldest Latin translation was in this phrase: “panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie.” “quotidianum” means “daily,” but that’s not what epiousios means.
St. Jerome’s vulgate instead used the word: supersubstantialem.
When you put them together, epi- and ousi → epiousios can be literally translated, “trans-substantial.”
Most of the first generation of Christians spoke Greek – that’s why the New Testament is written in Greek. So for those hudreds and then thousands of Christians, when they would repeat the Lord’s Prayer in their liturgies, they knew what they were professing… give us this day our transubstantial bread!
If we stopped saying “daily bread” and started saying “transubstantial bread,” it would certainly be odd to say for many of us, but it would reflect the words in the New Testament!
“EPI” means across, beyond, superimposed upon, or intermingled… you might says “trans.” English words like “epidermis” (layer of cells on top of the derma), “epidemic,” (a disease affecting a large population), etc. use it.
“OUSIA” means essence, being, or even material.
The oldest Latin translation was in this phrase: “panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie.” “quotidianum” means “daily,” but that’s not what epiousios means.
St. Jerome’s vulgate instead used the word: supersubstantialem.
When you put them together, epi- and ousi → epiousios can be literally translated, “trans-substantial.”
Most of the first generation of Christians spoke Greek – that’s why the New Testament is written in Greek. So for those hudreds and then thousands of Christians, when they would repeat the Lord’s Prayer in their liturgies, they knew what they were professing… give us this day our transubstantial bread!
If we stopped saying “daily bread” and started saying “transubstantial bread,” it would certainly be odd to say for many of us, but it would reflect the words in the New Testament!
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Tomyris
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I suggest you read your own catechism. Most Protestants cannot be charged with separation.
Would it be better for someone to go to hell as a Catholic or go to heaven as a Baptist?
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AKDee
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I find that stunning, and saddening. They are profaning the Eucharist if they are receiving it without actually believing. Jesus didn’t say, “these represent my body and blood”. He said, “This IS my body.” and “This IS my blood.”
I think people who doubt should study up on some of the Eucharistic miracles where the Holy Eucharist has begun bleeding or even become flesh. Tests run on them have shown that it’s human heart muscle, blood type AB- (the blood type Jesus most likely had that is rare here but more common in the middle east). There’s multiple instances.
I pray before receiving each Eucharist that my faith would be strengthened so that I will truly believe and not profane the Eucharist by not treating it indeed as the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ.
I think people who doubt should study up on some of the Eucharistic miracles where the Holy Eucharist has begun bleeding or even become flesh. Tests run on them have shown that it’s human heart muscle, blood type AB- (the blood type Jesus most likely had that is rare here but more common in the middle east). There’s multiple instances.
I pray before receiving each Eucharist that my faith would be strengthened so that I will truly believe and not profane the Eucharist by not treating it indeed as the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ.
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gracepoole
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Yes, every time I hear this statistic I’m stunned. How is this not a sign that we’re doing a horrid job with catechizing people? (That’s NOT to disparage the many fine catechists out there.) This is so central to our faith. That so many don’t believe it is…so sad. 
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peter26
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Well that is rather a leading question. If the question had been “Do you agree that Jesus is really present in the Eucharist?”, that would probably also get a lot of agreement because if you don’t know the doctrine, you will think whatever statement you are being given is correct.
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Lenten_ashes
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That’s true.
And the Mass is beautiful and full of scripture.
But really, we need to do a better job of reading on our own time.
St. Jerome said ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ.
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Lenten_ashes
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If he or she is diligent they will study themselves right back into that Catholic Church that they were trying to lead people away from. Happened to me.
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Memaw
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AMEN!!! God Bless, Memaw
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Solomonson
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Sometimes I think the Holy See should mandate a 2-5 minute weekly lesson right between the ending of the processional and the opening mention of the Holy Trinity.
Don’t leave the subject up to the individual diocese or pastor either. At least make the weekly lesson national, if not international.
Then again at that point in the liturgy, often times 50% or less of the people that will end-up receiving Holy Communion will actually be inside the church at that point. Place the lesson immediately after the homily perhaps?
Just think about that for a moment. 52 lessons a year, averaging 3 minutes each. They could be extremely simply from explaining when we genuflect or bow during the Mass, to explaining what the Church teaches about transubstantiation, that ultimately it relies on faith and that it’s a glorious mystery.
They lessons could have an A,B,C, etc. cycles. I’m not sure why the Catholic Church doesn’t have such a program?
Don’t leave the subject up to the individual diocese or pastor either. At least make the weekly lesson national, if not international.
Then again at that point in the liturgy, often times 50% or less of the people that will end-up receiving Holy Communion will actually be inside the church at that point. Place the lesson immediately after the homily perhaps?
Just think about that for a moment. 52 lessons a year, averaging 3 minutes each. They could be extremely simply from explaining when we genuflect or bow during the Mass, to explaining what the Church teaches about transubstantiation, that ultimately it relies on faith and that it’s a glorious mystery.
They lessons could have an A,B,C, etc. cycles. I’m not sure why the Catholic Church doesn’t have such a program?
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Wampa
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I figure it’s hard to catechize people who aren’t much involved in the faith and don’t come to church very often.Yes, every time I hear this statistic I’m stunned. How is this not a sign that we’re doing a horrid job with catechizing people? (That’s NOT to disparage the many fine catechists out there.) This is so central to our faith. That so many don’t believe it is…so sad.
Since this survey included Catholics who rarely or never go to Mass, I don’t find 43% to be a surprising result.
I looked at the executive summary for the survey and they found that 91% of weekly Mass attenders believe Jesus is "really present in the bread and wine of the Eucharist” (page 4). I think that’s a much more accurate depiction of what Catholics actually think.
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exnihilo
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In the Catholic Church you’ll find all sorts. You’ll find dissenters who know what the Church teaches but reject it. You’ll find people who don’t hold to a dogma but also don’t know what the dogma really is or really means. You’ll find people who understand the dogma and fully believe it. You’ll also find people who don’t understand the dogma and yet believe it because the Church teaches it.
If you are in the first group then no, you shouldn’t become Catholic. If you are in the second then you can learn what the Church actually teaches. I suspect a lot of folks, including me on some issues, are in the last group. And for me it isn’t like I have no understanding of some dogmas. Rather it is that I understand it but not the depths of it. Transubstantiation would be one of those. I know the basics of the metaphysics but my experience of it is really as a miracle believed by faith. One of the prime aspects of being Catholic is understanding there is a teaching authority and letting it lead you. Once you’ve accepted that then you are ready to be a Catholic.
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Tomyris
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This is not transubstantiation as I understand it, in which the bread and wine are annihilated and replaced by the actual body and blood of the Lord substantially, with the accidents remaining the same. The statement above could be agreed to by a number of Protestants, so it really is not measuring what they want it to measure. What they want to measure would be agreed to by far fewer, I suspect.
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johnnyc176
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Yep we should not be so quick to blame ‘bad catechesis’ It could simply be that liberal ‘catholics’ place more importance on their political ideology than on the teachings of Jesus. In so doing they look to protestanism as their model and separate Jesus from His Church, the Catholic Church. That’s when you hear things like ‘I don’t agree with this Church teaching or that Church teaching’ when of course they are teachings of Jesus or ‘my conscience tells me’…
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josh987654321
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Sacred Heart of Jesus - St Margaret-Mary Alacoque
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Jesus to St Margaret-Mary Alacoque
"Behold the Heart which has so loved men that it has spared nothing, even to exhausting and consuming Itself, in order to testify Its love; and in return, I receive from the greater part only ingratitude, by their irreverence and sacrilege, and by the coldness and contempt they have for Me in this Sacrament of Love. But what I feel most keenly is that it is hearts which are consecrated to Me, that treat Me thus. Therefore, I ask of you that the Friday after the Octave of Corpus Christi be set apart for a special Feast to honor My Heart, by communicating on that day, and making reparation to It by a solemn act, in order to make amends for the indignities which It has received during the time It has been exposed on the altars. I promise you that My Heart shall expand Itself to shed in abundance the influence of Its Divine Love upon those who shall thus honor It, and cause It to be honored."
Jesus to St Faustina
My child, do you fear the God of mercy? My holiness (80) does not prevent Me from being merciful. Behold, for you I have established a throne of mercy on earth – the tabernacle – and from this throne I desire to enter into your heart. I am not surrounded by a retinue or guards. You can come to me at any moment, at any time; I want to speak to you and desire to grant you grace. (Diary, 1485)
Jesus to Catalina:
Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_Lanciano
catholicleader.com.au/analysis/the-eucharistic-miracle-of-lanciano
God Bless You
Thank you for reading
Josh
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