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There are, I think, some very rare exceptions to that rule. Brother Roger of Taizé springs to mind.
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The practice of intercommunion is much more widespread than some may realize. I have posted the official policy of my local Roman Catholic diocese of 20 years ago outlining when Lutherans and Episcopalians can participate in holy Communion.
Lutherans gladly welcome all Christians who have been baptised and believe in the Real Presence. Actully the ELCA now allows baptized Christians even if they do not believe or understand the Real Presence. All catholics adore Christ in the Blessed Sacrament; that is beautifully expressed during Mass. We are exposing other Christians to this most holy Mystery. We want to welcome all to our churches as Christ commands us.
Lutherans gladly welcome all Christians who have been baptised and believe in the Real Presence. Actully the ELCA now allows baptized Christians even if they do not believe or understand the Real Presence. All catholics adore Christ in the Blessed Sacrament; that is beautifully expressed during Mass. We are exposing other Christians to this most holy Mystery. We want to welcome all to our churches as Christ commands us.
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^^ So we’ve got you guys pulling for more-leniency on intercommunion, and we’ve got the Orthodox absolutely horrified that we (Catholics) are as lenient as we already are on intercommunion. I feel like my arms are going to come off. 
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Peter_J
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Isn’t that on your resume?Yeah, and Randy Carson has twice accused me of being a “ninja Catholic”.
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Just kidding. That might make people think you’re in the Ratzinger Fan Club.
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steve_b
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Do you still have the policy to post it again?
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The CC doesn’t have open communion, nor shared communion with Proptestants no matter the affiliation…
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pocohombre
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Ditto.Amen.
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If we can just get him to unlock the city gates when everyone else is sleeping…
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ufamtobie
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Evangelcatholic,
The Catholic Church cannot allow any non Catholic except under certain conditions (Canon Law 844) to receive the Most Holy Eucharist. The Catholic Church discerns the Body of The Lord.
Your post above tells me that the Lutheran Church is not discerning the body of the Lord. You think by letting all Christians to receive your Lutheran Eucharist is a good thing?
It is sad/sin that the Lutheran Church wants Ecumenism so, so very badly that they are willing to give the Lutheran Eucharist, who Lutherans believe to be “the Real Presence” to Christians / or whoever, who do not believe in the real presence, this is Sacrilege!!! The Lutheran Church, contradict St. Paul’s teaching below.
1 Corinthians 27Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. 28But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of the chalice. 29For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.
Evangelcatholic, if one does not believe in the real presence then that person is unworthy, because the**“man can not prove himself”** worthy to receive the Eucharist as states St. Paul, above.
Jesus Christ Himself did not go straight to the people, He first went out into the desert to pray and fast for 40 days preparing Himself, before He started His Ministry, therefore all christians need to come prepared, knowing that it is 100% the real presence before one receives the Eucharist.
The Lutheran church Putting Ecumenism, before the Body and Blood of Christ!.. Hmm this could be a good thread
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Term / Definition same thing There would of never been a term or definition for Protestantism if it were not for Martin Luther. Facts our not meaningless thats for sure.
The definition of Catholic is not meaningless:thumbsup:
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I never thought I’d find agreement with Ufam…Evangelcatholic,
The Catholic Church cannot allow any non Catholic except under certain conditions (Canon Law 844) to receive the Most Holy Eucharist. The Catholic Church discerns the Body of The Lord.
Your post above tells me that the Lutheran Church is not discerning the body of the Lord. You think by letting all Christians to receive your Lutheran Eucharist is a good thing?
It is sad/sin that the Lutheran Church wants Ecumenism so, so very badly that they are willing to give the Lutheran Eucharist, who Lutherans believe to be “the Real Presence” to Christians / or whoever, who do not believe in the real presence, this is Sacrilege!!! The Lutheran Church, contradict St. Paul’s teaching below.
1 Corinthians 27Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. 28But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of the chalice. 29For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.
Evangelcatholic, if one does not believe in the real presence then that person is unworthy, because the**“man can not prove himself”** worthy to receive the Eucharist as states St. Paul, above.
Jesus Christ Himself did not go straight to the people, He first went out into the desert to pray and fast for 40 days preparing Himself, before He started His Ministry, therefore all christians need to come prepared, knowing that it is 100% the real presence before one receives the Eucharist.
The Lutheran church Putting Ecumenism, before the Body and Blood of Christ!.. Hmm this could be a good thread
Ufam Tobie
I am thankful for church bodies, like my own Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod and the RCC, that practice close communion. Neither could, under normal circumstances, receive the Lord’s Supper from the other’s altar. This is good practice; Holy Communion simply cannot be shared where doctrinal unity is absent. That said, I was permitted to communion at a Roman Catholic altar the one and only time I asked.
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Only the liberal factions! And that’s unfortunately common across all denominations- Roman Catholics included.^^ So we’ve got you guys pulling for more-leniency on intercommunion, and we’ve got the Orthodox absolutely horrified that we (Catholics) are as lenient as we already are on intercommunion. I feel like my arms are going to come off.
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Peter_J
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Add to that, I very admire the fact that the LCMS specifically renounces “unionism and syncretism”.
Note: I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Lutheran party.
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Yes, the actual name of the Church is the Orthodox Catholic Church…Orthodox, Right belief, and Catholic…Universal. The co-opting of the term to exclusively mean Old Rome is an unfortunate historical development.
“Everybody wants to be called Catholic, but the folks who coined the term back in the first century are now headquartered in Rome.”—Randy Carson
Fascinating. I thought that the guy who is credited with using it in writing first was St. Ignatius of ANTIOCH. (Although, since Antioch is also a Petrine See, whose Patriarch is also a successor of St. Peter, I suppose I could kind of give that one to you)
The problem is that the term’s modern definition no longer reflects the history. For example, when people think protestant means “protesting against the Catholic Church”. That’s not its meaning. Or when people think that protestant means there was once a monolith Protestant Church, which then splintered, that Zwingli and Luther were in communion, later joined by Calvin, then they all split up. Again, not the facts of history.
Luther had lots of help from Pope Leo X, Tetzel, and a host of other corrupt characters in the Church at that time.
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Well, I think that’s a bit a one-sided way of putting it; but to some extend I can agree.
Yeah, there’s that too. I didn’t bother arguing with Randy about who’s-buried-where, because I don’t think it matters much: they’re in heaven, not in the ground (regardless of whether we’re talking about Roman soil, Antiochian soil, etc.).
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I know my LCMS friends disagree with me on who can approach the altar even to the point that women can’t serve as eucharistic ministers; something even Roman Catholics permit. But we all firmly believe that no one is worthy to partake of holy Communion nor does one need to understand the holy Mystery of Christ’s Presence. The ELCA also allows baptized infants to receive holy Communion. It is not a cheapening of the Sacrament but rather a gift that we are offering to all.Agreement with Ufam. :bigyikes:
Yep, me too, on this one.
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Let’s think this through, though, from a historic perspective.
It is the historic practice of the Church, east and west, that receiving the sacrament at a particular parish assumed full communion.
In close communion, and even closed communion, there are circumstances where individuals not in communion are permitted to commune.
In the East, it has historically been the practice of communing infants.
#It has never been the practice of complete open communion, to those who do not discern the real presence, and even to those who are not Baptized.Jon
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