%57 of American Catholic support some rights for LGBT people.

[SamH]

Serving in the military may not be a right, but would you agree that if one is ALREADY serving in the military and doing the job satisfactorily, but it is found out (by whatever means) or rumored one is gay, that is have SSA, one should not be dismissed ONLY because of this?

Serving in the military is not a right.

 

[rfournier103]

Serving in the military is not a right.

I have a medical condition that has kept me out of the Army. Being an U.S. Army Ranger has been a lifelong dream, and I BEGGED them to take me. It was not and is not my right to be a soldier.

 

[KrazyKat]

English is not my native language, I’m sorry for any misspellings.

According to Evangelical website ( in my native language ) said that %57 of American Catholics support some rights for LGBT people. %38 of American Protestants support some rights for LGBT people. %8 of American Evangelicals support some rights for LGBT people. And %89 of Non-religious people support some rights for LGBT people.

I’m not surprised that the least people support the rights for LGBT people are Evangelicals. And proud that Catholic are the most even thought that %71 of Catholics in America believe that marriage is between one man and one woman.

But, my question is, Why? Why do in the west the most religious groups support some rights for LGBT people are Catholics ? ( For me there is nothing wrong with that ).

And you as Catholic, do you support some not all the rights for LGBT people. Like

1 - Laws protect LGBT people from discrimination.
2 - Laws protect LGBT people from getting fired from their jobs for being gay.
3 - Laws allow LGBT people to serve openly in military.
4 - The right for adoption.

PS: I hope this thread will not turn into tens of pages from members arguing with each other and then lost the main point of my question.

I love your PS: ! Good luck with that.

 

[marymary1975]

The right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of property? Absolutely. The right to vote? Absolutely. The right to hold public office? Absolutely. The right to live among us and not be in fear of persecution & bodily harm? Absolutely.

“Marriage” is not a right.
Adoption is not a right.
Serving in the armed forces is not a right.

Those are exactly my thoughts

 

[VeritasLuxMea]

English is not my native language, I’m sorry for any misspellings.

According to Evangelical website ( in my native language ) said that %57 of American Catholics support some rights for LGBT people. %38 of American Protestants support some rights for LGBT people. %8 of American Evangelicals support some rights for LGBT people. And %89 of Non-religious people support some rights for LGBT people.

I’m not surprised that the least people support the rights for LGBT people are Evangelicals. And proud that Catholic are the most even thought that %71 of Catholics in America believe that marriage is between one man and one woman.

But, my question is, Why? Why do in the west the most religious groups support some rights for LGBT people are Catholics ? ( For me there is nothing wrong with that ).

And you as Catholic, do you support some not all the rights for LGBT people. Like

1 - Laws protect LGBT people from discrimination.

Certainly.

2 - Laws protect LGBT people from getting fired from their jobs for being gay.

Yes, for general employment. (Not for religious employment)

3 - Laws allow LGBT people to serve openly in military.

Yes.

4 - The right for adoption.

Would try to get a child in a mother/father home, but if not possible, I don’t really see a problem with this. Better than having a kid on the streets, that’s for sure.

 

[Kevin_B]

DADT was the worst military policy I’ve ever heard of. If you want to kick gay people out of the military, kick them out. If you want them to serve, let them serve. DADT basically said “gay people can serve in the military as long as they lie to anyone who asks them about their relationship status”.

Passing a law which requires people to lie to other people whose lives may one day be on their hands is about as bad a law as they come.

 

[damooster]

FURTHERMORE… why is it that someone who physically attacks a homosexual person can be sent away to prison for decades; while the same attack on a straight person would garner a sentence of a year’s worth of probation (for example)?

If someone attacked (or even murdered!) a friend or relative of mine, I would hate to think that a court of law would find his or her life not as valuable as the life of a homosexual person’s…

It’s because homosexuals are attacked simply because they are homosexuals; they were targeted for this specific reason. If your friend or relative were attacked, there were probably circumstances that led to the attack i.e. the suspect wanted their wallet and would therefore be charged with robbery…the initial reason that lead to the attack.

 

[damooster]

I have a medical condition that has kept me out of the Army. Being an U.S. Army Ranger has been a lifelong dream, and I BEGGED them to take me. It was not and is not my right to be a soldier.

I have served in the Army and I was deployed many times. I’ve served alongside men and women whom I knew were gay. They were able to perform their jobs very well and they did not cause any problems (which is a fear of heterosexual soldiers); they did not sneak a peek at me in the shower or make any unwanted advances. They did their job.

Every citizen not only has a right, but a duty (IMHO) to serve their country if they are physically and mentally capable. To prevent someone from fulfilling their duty to their country simply because of their sexual orientation is wrong in my opinion.

 

[Beryllos]

The Catechism says, regarding individuals with homosexual tendencies,

They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided.

(see paragraphs 2357-2359)

I hope more than 57% can agree with that.

 

[SamH]

It’s because homosexuals are attacked simply because they are homosexuals; they were targeted for this specific reason. If your friend or relative were attacked, there were probably circumstances that led to the attack i.e. the suspect wanted their wallet and would therefore be charged with robbery…the initial reason that lead to the attack.

People are attacked for standing in the wrong spot, people are attacked because it was dark, it was light, it was hot or it was cold. My brother was once attacked because he was wearing one flip flop (his other leg was amputated) - the guy thought it was stupid for a one legged man to wear a flip flop.

 

[meltzerboy]

I have served in the Army and I was deployed many times. I’ve served alongside men and women whom I knew were gay. They were able to perform their jobs very well and they did not cause any problems (which is a fear of heterosexual soldiers); they did not sneak a peek at me in the shower or make any unwanted advances. They did their job.

Every citizen not only has a right, but a duty (IMHO) to serve their country if they are physically and mentally capable. To prevent someone from fulfilling their duty to their country simply because of their sexual orientation is wrong in my opinion.

It’s good to hear this view from someone who served and I think you’re right.

 

[damooster]

People are attacked for standing in the wrong spot, people are attacked because it was dark, it was light, it was hot or it was cold. My brother was once attacked because he was wearing one flip flop (his other leg was amputated) - the guy thought it was stupid for a one legged man to wear a flip flop.

Then your brother was unjustly discriminated against for being an amputee.

I’m not suggesting that we make all sorts of laws to prevent every situation from happening. That’s not feasible. But there have been a series of attacks against homosexuals simply because they’re homosexual. In New York, for example, there were 14 attacks on homosexuals this time last year. This year there have already been 29.

What would you do if you were in charge of an area and people of a certain group were being violently attacked?

 

[epiclotus]

Sadly, I don’t think the “rights” that are being referred to by the OP are the ones that are in question. Although I’m not quite sure where I stand regarding gays in the military, this is far from what’s going on. The rights being referred to are most probably those granted to spouses regarding legal, health, inheritance and death rights. I used to think that in a perfect world, we could designate whomever we wished to have those rights (and indeed, you can in some ways), but the more I think on it, the more I don’t think we should be rewarding people who choose to live lives of sin. Most of the spousal rights are granted because of what heterosexual couples give back to society in the way of children, but those are arguments largely ignored by the general populace. I really liked Father Barron’s commentary on how we don’t even seem to be able to have a dialogue about this because of how sentimentalized the topic has become. Check out this video on it

youtu.be/CYJ9BOcOxy8

 

[andrewstx]

I didn’t say they had special rights. To issue special laws specifically guarantying them rights that others don’t have sounds discriminatory - doesn’t it?

So far no one has proposed “special rights” no one else but homosexuals have.

Question, when homosexuals ask for the same rights as everyone else has then why are they called “special rights”.

I sense a radical right persuasion at play.

 

[andrewstx]

I have served in the Army and I was deployed many times. I’ve served alongside men and women whom I knew were gay. They were able to perform their jobs very well and they did not cause any problems (which is a fear of heterosexual soldiers); they did not sneak a peek at me in the shower or make any unwanted advances. They did their job.

Every citizen not only has a right, but a duty (IMHO) to serve their country if they are physically and mentally capable. To prevent someone from fulfilling their duty to their country simply because of their sexual orientation is wrong in my opinion.

It has always been my dream to serve in the USMC, but I am not physically capable.

 

[epiclotus]

So far no one has proposed “special rights” no one else but homosexuals have.

Question, when homosexuals ask for the same rights as everyone else has then why are they called “special rights”.

I sense a radical right persuasion at play.

Actually, you should look into some of the legislation that has been considered regarding “hate speech”. If I’m not mistaken, something like this has already been passed in Canada, and it makes speaking out publicly against homosexuals some sort of crime. While I have a hard time seeing something like this truly hold up in court, it’s not implausible that it could get passed and then have to be struck down by the Supreme Court (assuming they don’t back it up themselves).

That would certainly grant homosexuals special rights. Thankfully, I am not aware of any such laws that have made it through regarding this.

 

[livingwordunity]

Serving in the military may not be a right, but would you agree that if one is ALREADY serving in the military and doing the job satisfactorily, but it is found out (by whatever means) or rumored one is gay, that is have SSA, one should not be dismissed ONLY because of this?

I served in the Navy. Back when it was DADT (don’t ask, don’t tell), people didn’t ask even if the person was obviously homosexual. And it’s because with DADT we were never allowed to ask. I think the only ones that I ever heard of that got kicked out for it were ones who were caught doing it on the ship.

 

[TheBreak]

I served in the Navy. Back when it was DADT (don’t ask, don’t tell), people didn’t ask even if the person was obviously homosexual. And it’s because with DADT we were never allowed to ask. I think the only ones that I ever heard of that got kicked out for it were ones who were caught doing it on the ship.

Just in case you try to insult gays by your " story " about gay guy been caught.

On Oprah show a female solider said her story about being gang raped by to male soliders in Iraq. And of course you can search and you will find many cases of heterosexual soliders who caught " doing it " on ship or maybe in tank.

I say what I said just in case you were trying to insult gays by your " story ". And in case it was true story than this is something happen among ALL people. cheers.

 

[SamH]

Then your brother was unjustly discriminated against for being an amputee.

I’m not suggesting that we make all sorts of laws to prevent every situation from happening. That’s not feasible. But there have been a series of attacks against homosexuals simply because they’re homosexual. In New York, for example, there were 14 attacks on homosexuals this time last year. This year there have already been 29.

What would you do if you were in charge of an area and people of a certain group were being violently attacked?

But under the laws proposed the person that attacked my brother faces less punishment than if they had attacked a gay person. So much for equal protection.

 

[SamH]

Just in case you try to insult gays by your " story " about gay guy been caught.

On Oprah show a female solider said her story about being gang raped by to male soliders in Iraq. And of course you can search and you will find many cases of heterosexual soliders who caught " doing it " on ship or maybe in tank.

I say what I said just in case you were trying to insult gays by your " story ". And in case it was true story than this is something happen among ALL people. cheers.

Huh?