600+ Le Moyne students sign petition to remove Cardinal Dolan as commencement speaker
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Eddie_Mac
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I bet they would not object to hearing Bill Clinton speak.
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Bubba_Switzler
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I’ll bet they would not object to hearing Che Guevara speak.
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_Abyssinia
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I am curious about the Catholic formation in this institution.
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Corki
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You are assuming there is any. We toured the school when my son was looking at colleges. I asked some of what I thought were “softball” Catholic questions (is there daily Mass? What Catholic groups are on campus?) and got a deer-in-the-headlights look followed by a shrug.
We could not get out of there fast enough.
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Not much.
Like the Jesuit college near me, the line that is given is that “we are Jesuit”. Most parents and alumni assumes this automatically means they are Catholic, but that is not true at all.
The college uses the word “Jesuit” as a recruitment device. There are committed Catholics here, but they got that somewhere else. The college is essentially an expensive, small state college.
The issue is why does the local diocese keep listing them as a “Catholic College”? This is unfair to parents and students, and unfair to the institutions that actually are Catholic Colleges.
For the graduation, it would be a powerful prolife witness if faithful Catholic groups, such as the K of C, would stand as an honor guard outside the venue. Catholics have to start showing up to public events like this in force. No one in the USA is a stronger supporter for religious liberty than Cardinal Dolan.
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Havard
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This should be a wake-up call to Catholics who think it’s just about being tolerant. Cardinal Dolan is very loving and not harsh or strident at all in terms of homosexuality.
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Hazen_Pingree
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What’s happened to the students at LeMoyne? How stupid are they really? What’s happened to Catholic colleges? Has Bishop Cunningham of the Diocese of Syracuse weighed in on the controversy? If not, why not?
Cardinal Dolan is a good man. He doesn’t deserve this insult from children. He’s the head of the Archdiocese of New York, perhaps the largest diocese population-wise in the United States. Sure, I’ve had my problems with him over the years, but usually because he’s often too liberal for me, too ready to make nice with the bad guys – but never because he’s too conservative.
This is just plain stupid. It’s anti-authority plain and simple – and from students at a supposedly “Catholic” college. Those students, and the faculty that supports their childishness, needs to grow up. Catholic families should boycott LeMoyne. In fact, I’ll come right out and say it: Close down LeMoyne! Throw out the crummy Jesuits who encourage such intolerance! Padlock their chapel. Sell the university to the lowest bidder – sell it to Hell’s Angels – that’ll fix 'em – and then just get out of there. Catholics are not wanted at LeMoyne. It’s time to tell everyone that LeMoyne is not Catholic anymore. Don’t send your children to LeMoyne.
Cardinal Dolan is a good man. He doesn’t deserve this insult from children. He’s the head of the Archdiocese of New York, perhaps the largest diocese population-wise in the United States. Sure, I’ve had my problems with him over the years, but usually because he’s often too liberal for me, too ready to make nice with the bad guys – but never because he’s too conservative.
This is just plain stupid. It’s anti-authority plain and simple – and from students at a supposedly “Catholic” college. Those students, and the faculty that supports their childishness, needs to grow up. Catholic families should boycott LeMoyne. In fact, I’ll come right out and say it: Close down LeMoyne! Throw out the crummy Jesuits who encourage such intolerance! Padlock their chapel. Sell the university to the lowest bidder – sell it to Hell’s Angels – that’ll fix 'em – and then just get out of there. Catholics are not wanted at LeMoyne. It’s time to tell everyone that LeMoyne is not Catholic anymore. Don’t send your children to LeMoyne.
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JimR-OCDS
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This is just the beginning of Catholic persecution here in the US.
OK, I may be over-reacting here, but when you have students at a Catholic college demanding a Cardinal like Cardinal Dolan, not be allowed to give a commencement speech, it shows that our youth have ideologically moved from apathy, rejection and are now in the first stages of persecution of the Catholic Church.
Antisemitism didn’t happen over night in Germany, it built up over time.
The same is true of what is taking place toward Catholicism and Christianity in general.
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OK, I may be over-reacting here, but when you have students at a Catholic college demanding a Cardinal like Cardinal Dolan, not be allowed to give a commencement speech, it shows that our youth have ideologically moved from apathy, rejection and are now in the first stages of persecution of the Catholic Church.
Antisemitism didn’t happen over night in Germany, it built up over time.
The same is true of what is taking place toward Catholicism and Christianity in general.
Jim
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johnnykins
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Did anyone actually read the news item cited? The objection is an outgrowth of His Eminence’s handling of the sex scandal in Milwaukee. Seems to me His Eminence, and the entire hierarchy, will be tainted by their failures to act appropriately for some time to come. As you sow, so shall you reap…and all that.
here is a link to the petition:
change.org/p/change-le-moyne-commencement-speaker-2015?recruiter=277466821&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_term=mob-xs-share_petition-no_msg
Aside from one comment about “homophobic comments” which seems to me to be related to the scandal, it seems to to be totally dealing with his handling of the sex scandal in Milwaukee. Sorry, but that’s a fair target.
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Bubba - how many sex offenders did Che move around, protect and try to justify? Just wondering…
Eddie - One must at least agree that Monica Lewinski was a consenting adult…but at least you have a reasonable point…
here is a link to the petition:
change.org/p/change-le-moyne-commencement-speaker-2015?recruiter=277466821&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_term=mob-xs-share_petition-no_msg
Aside from one comment about “homophobic comments” which seems to me to be related to the scandal, it seems to to be totally dealing with his handling of the sex scandal in Milwaukee. Sorry, but that’s a fair target.
JimR - OCDS
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Hazen Pingree
Clearly not everyone agrees with that assessment…and let’s face it the handling of the sex scandal has itself been a scandal…for His Eminence as well as others
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gotta wonder if you read the report the news item or petition…How’d he do in dealing with sexual assault of minors in Milwaukee?
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especially if it gets him off the scandal ineptitude/misfeasance/malfeasance hook …
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Maybe the hierarchy has failed the faithful over this entire issue of the sex scandal and this is but part of the price to pay?
Bubba - how many sex offenders did Che move around, protect and try to justify? Just wondering…
Eddie - One must at least agree that Monica Lewinski was a consenting adult…but at least you have a reasonable point…
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Bballer32
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What the heck is wrong with our country??? :banghead:
I mean, I don’t support sexual assault, but this whole agenda of extreme feminism and progressivism and Americanism is out of control. Why is it that this country has now flopped from Majority rules to Minority rules!?!?
Also, at what point do the oppressed become the oppressors?
Sorry… now I’m done with my rant
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Eddie_Mac
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Thanks for the acknowledgement.
I was actually thinking of the scandals involving Paula Jones, Gennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey, and Juanita Broaddrick.
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johnnykins
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Again, consenting adults, but at least the point is well taken…
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SonOfMan
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Being anti sex abuse isnt progessivism or feminism.
Its very odd to see Catholics rush to the defense of their clergy and make excuses for them or to try and point the finger somewhere else, in the face of glaring, damaging facts. Very chilling to witness that kind of behavior, reminiscent of brain washing.
Whats wrong, is wrong. No matter who does it.
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Hazen_Pingree
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Johnnykins writes: “Did anyone actually read the news item cited? The objection is an outgrowth of His Eminence’s handling of the sex scandal in Milwaukee. Seems to me His Eminence, and the entire hierarchy, will be tainted by their failures to act appropriately for some time to come. As you sow, so shall you reap…and all that.”
Are you saying that Cardinal Dolan is guilty of a cover-up? That’s quite an accusation. Make your case.
Are you saying that Cardinal Dolan is guilty of a cover-up? That’s quite an accusation. Make your case.
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Havard
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Good question. Yes, I read both. Neither the report nor the petition offer any particulars regarding the sexual assault cases, but I am familiar with particulars that others have alleged, and the ones I’ve seen are weak. If he had indeed played a game of “hide the funds”, that should have been investigated, and if there were evidence, it should have been prosecuted, but my understanding is that none of it did because there was nothing to investigate except a legal transfer from a preexisting trust, created for the purpose of caring for cemeteries, to cemeteries themselves.
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Bballer32
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Sorry, I don’t see where I was supporting the sin of the priests in my last comment.
Love the sinner hate the sin.
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JimR-OCDS
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The accusations of how Cardinal Dolan handled the sex abuser priest in his dioceses are unfounded allegations. T
The reality is, only 600 out of 2800 students signed the petition and their claim is that Cardinal Dolan is homophobic.
In other words, it’s a gay agenda that is driving these students more than anything else.
Jim
The reality is, only 600 out of 2800 students signed the petition and their claim is that Cardinal Dolan is homophobic.
In other words, it’s a gay agenda that is driving these students more than anything else.
Jim
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SonOfMan
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It looked like you were attempting to put the blame on feminists and progressives.
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SonOfMan
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Thats weird, as Cardinal Dolan is seen as being more liberal.
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