** The Magician’s Twin - CS Lewis **
Our King does use the Jewish calendar and like the 6 days of creation, it will be the Jewish year 6000 at the end.
uh, could you expand on that a bit?
Dishonest YEC pseudo-scientists may possibly say that, and of course they are greatly in error. Material life on earth originated about 3.5 billion years ago.
Are you denying abrupt appearance?
Human civilization certainly does not “long pre-date” what the Biblical account would have us believe. Civilization should not be confused with speculations about the origins of man as a species. In reality, the first men were simply the first people capable of civilization; and modern science and history are in agreement with the first civilizations given in the Biblical account.
So because God is Himself alive He cannot possibly be the explanation for the origins of corporeal life in the universe?
I suppose the civilization comment was a little out of line of me, but “the
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Invention of civilization does not make a creature human, genes do. The genes that make a hominid a human as we are human were existent prior to civilization. I suppose such pre-civilization humans were “capable” of civilization, but just didn’t do it yet, I could grant you that, but the way it was phrased earlier implies a false idea.
A being can be rational without genes: God and angels are rational and neither have genes. Civilization in the first place implies rational order, which allows human beings - since we are rational animals - to flourish; or the possibility to fulfill our natures, in other words.
I don’t think being civilized can be equated with, e.g., techno-gadgets or the production of them or even the production of cities.
Yes we are probably arguing more over words or terms than not I think.
We’re not talking about any “beings” that can be “rational”, we are talking about humans.
Well “civilization”, which we were talking about (not being civilized), at least implies the making of settlements. Perhaps then there is a miscommunication between us, so then I must ask: Is the forming of permanent settlements any part of your definition of civilization?
“laughingstock”? That’s it? Thanks for the update. I’m sure Sunday Schools will continue to teach young people what they’ve always taught them.
So yes rationality; but I originally said capable of civilization. So we are not in disagreement.
That is an extremely difficult question: a bigger one than meets the eye.
How “abrupt” is “abrupt”? Five minutes or five million years? And what is appearing, specifically?
No, that is not what I am saying. What I say is that because God is Himself alive He cannot possibly be the explanation for the origin of life in the universe. Note that I have omitted the word “corporeal” from your sentence. It was you who added that word, not me. I was very careful to omit it when starting this sub-thread of the discussion.
No, I do not. I define the universe as “all that exists”, and as far as I can tell that universe is eternal, with no beginning.
A cause cannot exist without its effect. In the absence of the effect, there can be no cause. We cannot have a “creator the universe” unless there is a universe that has been created. A child must have parents, and similarly a parent must have children, otherwise it is false to call them a parent. A creator who has not created anything is obviously not a creator.
and what was the cause of first life?
Sorry i could pick so many holes in his talk i hardly know where to begin, But for example God is one. Is that the God who is referred to in plural. His pride puts me in mind of the father of lies first sin. Has he any knowledge of the original language and what was actually said and he displays a woeful lack of spiritual knowledge that there are always rich deeper meanings in all the text.
Also who says there was a huge population back then too? why should humans be found if no transitional fossils,- which ought to be the most numerous - have been found? However there are remains of dinosaur and man fossils found together in the same time patch, and plenty of Giants too. By the way a year used to be 360 days for real!