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BarbaraTherese
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Our South Australian current affairs commented that the new mortal sins were a great marketing achievement to get Catholicism in the headlines once more and being discussed.
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Jennifer_G
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Another thought I had – my mom (German Lutheran) would always tell me “It’s (or It should be) a sin to throw away good food”.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/03/10/eavatican110.xml
What I want to know is, will it really be a sin if I threw away my pop can occasionally, while recycling most of the time?
I’m not too sure about this new pronouncement…
I guess it’s German thing.
Now, I did read in another article on MSNBC that said Americans tend to eat everything on their plate before calling themselves full, but the French (the article didn’t mention any others, but I’m pretty sure it’s a European thing) stop when they’re full, even if there’s food on the plate.
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At the risk of taking this thread off topic, I recall hearing that wasting food is wasting food whether it goes into the garbage or into a body that doesn’t need it. Of course if we were to take this to the extreme, all of us would live on the brink of starvation, but the thought is pretty good.Another thought I had – my mom (German Lutheran) would always tell me “It’s (or It should be) a sin to throw away good food”.
I guess it’s German thing.
Now, I did read in another article on MSNBC that said Americans tend to eat everything on their plate before calling themselves full, but the French (the article didn’t mention any others, but I’m pretty sure it’s a European thing) stop when they’re full, even if there’s food on the plate.
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“…genetic modification, carrying out experiments on humans, polluting the environment, causing social injustice, causing poverty, becoming obscenely wealthy and taking drugs were all mortal sins.”
There you have it! The industrialized world is going straight to hell! Abandon ship everybody!
There you have it! The industrialized world is going straight to hell! Abandon ship everybody!
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Hmm, “taking drugs”, does this mean that all Catholic doctors are sinning by fulfilling their career duties when they prescribe drugs? And don’t even think about being a pharmacist. And as far as genetic modification goes, nearly all of our modern foods, and outside of that almost all modern hygiene products use products from genetically modified microbes. (I would mention that many of our modern medicines, or ‘drugs’, are also produced this way, but that’s already been covered, I guess.) Buying these products would be considered supporting genetic modification.
I’m not saying that there are not areas within these topics that would very definitely be sinful, I just feel that this is too broad of a brush to be painting with in terms of the way some of these things are defined.
And do we really need more? For those who say this is good publicity, you obviously haven’t heard the reactions to this from the same people I have. It seems like the more we publicize the rules, the less people pay attention to the reasons, when both are essential.
I’m not saying that there are not areas within these topics that would very definitely be sinful, I just feel that this is too broad of a brush to be painting with in terms of the way some of these things are defined.
And do we really need more? For those who say this is good publicity, you obviously haven’t heard the reactions to this from the same people I have. It seems like the more we publicize the rules, the less people pay attention to the reasons, when both are essential.
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Well, it probably is…
I mean, putting money, materialism, worldly power, etc., over Christ is idolatry… it is living a lie… and the Scriptures say that all liars have their place in the lake of fire…
I guess we either believe the Bible and the Church or we don’t.
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distracted
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I’ve read most of the posts & have yet to find out what the new deadly sins are, except for drugs.
Drugs cause a person to go away from God. sounds pretty deadly to me. since God puts requirements on us (Jesus said to follow the 10 commandments, etc.), it seems one would use drugs not only to replace God but to run from Him…
Anyway… I like Pope Benedict and even if i didn’t, we have to trust him as the Vicar of Christ.
Drugs cause a person to go away from God. sounds pretty deadly to me. since God puts requirements on us (Jesus said to follow the 10 commandments, etc.), it seems one would use drugs not only to replace God but to run from Him…
Anyway… I like Pope Benedict and even if i didn’t, we have to trust him as the Vicar of Christ.
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BarbaraTherese
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Would someone please list these actual 7 more deadly sins for me please. I have located heaps of commentaries, but no actual simple straight list of what these new deadly sins actually are.
Thanks heaps…Barb
Thanks heaps…Barb
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My first reaction to the news story broadcast on the local channel was to laugh - knowing they had gotten it wrong. The problem is, it has caused a lot of Catholics to be misinformed as well and to fret over nothing new really.
See cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=57130 and here - .
reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSL109602320080310 for the Reuters report.
I can’t access the Vatican site right now - my guess is so many people are trying to access it, it’s running verrrrrry slowwwwly.
The main point of the interview was to talk about confession
See cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=57130 and here - .
reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSL109602320080310 for the Reuters report.
I can’t access the Vatican site right now - my guess is so many people are trying to access it, it’s running verrrrrry slowwwwly.
The main point of the interview was to talk about confession
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Jennifer_G
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“taking drugs” as in illegal drugs, or addiction, and “drug dealing” as in selling illegal or harmful drugs (knowing that the person they sell it to intends to use it harmfully). A pharmacist selling drugs (medicine) is ok as long as the intent is to heal the person, and not to harm an individual.
In a sense, all of the ones listed can be summed up in some of the existing mortal sins. (Most being malice (or others or self), gluttony (over indulging, or wasting - which means taking more than you needed, or even polluting the environment, that is, making your area less livable for others), greed (excess money)…)
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Please excuse my ignorance which is quite genuine, but do we now have another seven modern day sins as well as the seven deadly sins i.e. 14 deadly sins to take note of. Or was the Archbishop simply making a statement of his own that is not anything, as yet, official Church teaching? Being a very ordinary Catholic, I am confused.
Blessings as Lent draws to a close - Barb
Blessings as Lent draws to a close - Barb
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CathCentrist
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For the poor slob, much ado about nothing. If anyone thinks they’re gonna label me sinning because I REFUSE to use blue bags and dont bother to recycle…well… big deal. Dont need stupid scrupulosity in my life
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Barb, the point of the (L’Osservatore Romano) interview was that many Catholics have lost an authentic sense of sin - and most of all - many have turned away from the Sacrament of Confession.Please excuse my ignorance which is quite genuine, but do we now have another seven modern day sins as well as the seven deadly sins i.e. 14 deadly sins to take note of. Or was the Archbishop simply making a statement of his own that is not anything, as yet, official Church teaching? Being a very ordinary Catholic, I am confused.
Blessings as Lent draws to a close - Barb
There is no new list of sins, just the age old sins recycled in new ways. And it’s reasonable to deduce that many people are not recognizing their sins when they don’t head to the confessional…
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Permalink: zenit.org/article-22029?l=english
Littering Not New “Deadly Sin,” Bishops Clarify
Say Vatican Didn’t Publish List of 7 Modern Misdeeds
LONDON, MARCH 11, 2008 (Zenit.org).- Reports that the Vatican has published a new list of the seven deadly sins of modern times that includes littering and economic inequality is simply not true, affirmed the episcopal conference of England and Wales.
The conference released a statement today clarifying that an interview published Sunday by L’Osservatore Romano with Bishop Gianfranco Girotti, regent of the tribunal of he Apostolic Penitentiary, was misinterpreted in the media as an official Vatican update to the seven deadly sins, laid out by Pope Gregory the Great in the sixth century.
“The Vatican has not published a new list of seven deadly sins; this is not a new Vatican edict,” said the conference. “The story originated from an interview that Bishop Gianfranco Girotti gave to the L’Osservatore Romano in which he was questioned about new forms of social sins in this age of globalization.”
The Vatican newspaper interviewed the bishop at the conclusion of a course that took place last week on the “internal forum” – questions of conscience – organized by the tribunal of the Apostolic Penitentiary to strengthen the training of priests in administering the sacrament of confession.
In the interview titled “Le Nuove Forme del Peccato Sociale” (The New Forms of Social Sin), journalist Nicola Gori asked the prelate what he thought are the new sins of the modern era.
Bishop Girotti responded: "There are various areas in which today we can see sinful attitudes in relation to individual and social rights.
“Above all in the area of bioethics, in which we cannot fail to denounce certain violations of the fundamental rights of human nature, by way of experiments, genetic manipulation, the effects of which are difficult to prevent and control.”
“Another area, a social issue, is the issue of drug use, which debilitates the psyche and darkens the intelligence, leaving many youth outside the ecclesial circuit.”
The bishop also mentioned social inequality, “by which the poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer, feeding an unsustainable social injustice,” and the “area of ecology.”
Littering Not New “Deadly Sin,” Bishops Clarify
Say Vatican Didn’t Publish List of 7 Modern Misdeeds
LONDON, MARCH 11, 2008 (Zenit.org).- Reports that the Vatican has published a new list of the seven deadly sins of modern times that includes littering and economic inequality is simply not true, affirmed the episcopal conference of England and Wales.
The conference released a statement today clarifying that an interview published Sunday by L’Osservatore Romano with Bishop Gianfranco Girotti, regent of the tribunal of he Apostolic Penitentiary, was misinterpreted in the media as an official Vatican update to the seven deadly sins, laid out by Pope Gregory the Great in the sixth century.
“The Vatican has not published a new list of seven deadly sins; this is not a new Vatican edict,” said the conference. “The story originated from an interview that Bishop Gianfranco Girotti gave to the L’Osservatore Romano in which he was questioned about new forms of social sins in this age of globalization.”
The Vatican newspaper interviewed the bishop at the conclusion of a course that took place last week on the “internal forum” – questions of conscience – organized by the tribunal of the Apostolic Penitentiary to strengthen the training of priests in administering the sacrament of confession.
In the interview titled “Le Nuove Forme del Peccato Sociale” (The New Forms of Social Sin), journalist Nicola Gori asked the prelate what he thought are the new sins of the modern era.
Bishop Girotti responded: "There are various areas in which today we can see sinful attitudes in relation to individual and social rights.
“Above all in the area of bioethics, in which we cannot fail to denounce certain violations of the fundamental rights of human nature, by way of experiments, genetic manipulation, the effects of which are difficult to prevent and control.”
“Another area, a social issue, is the issue of drug use, which debilitates the psyche and darkens the intelligence, leaving many youth outside the ecclesial circuit.”
The bishop also mentioned social inequality, “by which the poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer, feeding an unsustainable social injustice,” and the “area of ecology.”
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Looks like another fiction piece from the MSM. From now on, all newspapers should be relegated to the Fiction section 
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mschrank
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If they even exist in a few years. I never read the dinosaur papers.
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Feedmysheep
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Yeah, we’ll I’m not holding my breath for cnn.com to publish a clarifying piece anytime soon, either.
Seriously, you’d think these people would have even the slightest twinge of shame- or at least embarrassment for their willful misrepresentation of the facts. However, I think the sense of shame is tied up with a sense of sin, which most of the modern world has shed a while back.
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This is also related and should make a very interesting writing from the Holy Father.
"Social Encyclical Won’t Be Ready for Summer
VATICAN CITY, MARCH 11, 2008 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI’s third encyclical on issues related to Catholic social teaching and globalization probably won’t be ready before summer, according to Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone.
The Pope’s secretary of state told the ANSA news service Sunday during his visit to Azerbaijan that he doesn’t think it will be published before the summer holidays as the Holy Father continues to work on it. He is “reflecting and revising,” added the cardinal
The Pontiff dedicated his first two encyclicals to the virtues of love and hope. The Holy Father’s first encyclical “Deus Caritas Est” (God is Love) was released in 2005, and “Spe Salvi” (Save in Hope) was released last November.
“It needs to be written well. The Pope is making his reflections and annotations and is checking things rigorously,” said Cardinal Bertone. “I’m not saying the pope is a true perfectionist, but in a certain sense he is.”
The cardinal added that the encyclical will also have to be translated into various languages before its release, and that the Vatican is hoping to publish a Chinese version along with the other main languages. “Spe Salvi” was originally published in eight languages."
"Social Encyclical Won’t Be Ready for Summer
VATICAN CITY, MARCH 11, 2008 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI’s third encyclical on issues related to Catholic social teaching and globalization probably won’t be ready before summer, according to Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone.
The Pope’s secretary of state told the ANSA news service Sunday during his visit to Azerbaijan that he doesn’t think it will be published before the summer holidays as the Holy Father continues to work on it. He is “reflecting and revising,” added the cardinal
The Pontiff dedicated his first two encyclicals to the virtues of love and hope. The Holy Father’s first encyclical “Deus Caritas Est” (God is Love) was released in 2005, and “Spe Salvi” (Save in Hope) was released last November.
“It needs to be written well. The Pope is making his reflections and annotations and is checking things rigorously,” said Cardinal Bertone. “I’m not saying the pope is a true perfectionist, but in a certain sense he is.”
The cardinal added that the encyclical will also have to be translated into various languages before its release, and that the Vatican is hoping to publish a Chinese version along with the other main languages. “Spe Salvi” was originally published in eight languages."
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zagjames
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I dont know if someone allready answered this but the E. Catholics dont look at things in terms of mortal vs venial.They wont argue with the distinction but their philosophy and theology avoid legalistic catagorizations of things like sin. No disagreenence just a different way to look at it.
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