7 more deadly sins?

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Someone asked what these “new deadly sins” are. Here’s how Wikipedia lists them:
  • Environmental pollution
  • Genetic manipulation
  • Accumulating excessive wealth
  • Inflicting poverty
  • Drug trafficking and consumption
  • Morally debatable experiments
  • Violation of fundamental rights of human nature
If you notice, these fall more into the category of social sins, rather that individual sins.

We need to put all this in perspective and see what this list is, and (perhaps more importantly), what it is not.

What it is: A bishop being clever in order to make the point that we need to pay attention not just to our individual sins, but to the social sins (especially to those that were unheard of before our technology and global communication have made them possible).

What it is not: It is not an official proclamation of the Church. It does not replace the original deadly sins. These are not added to the deadly sins thereby making 14.

Of course, the media wants to be provocative and sell papers, so they’re not concerned with such distinctions.

There was a similar media blunder last year when someone in the Church did almost the same thing by composing the Driver’s Ten Commandments. Of course, we all know that does not mean there are now 20 Commandments or anything. It’s just someone trying to be clever.
 
For the poor slob, much ado about nothing. If anyone thinks they’re gonna label me sinning because I REFUSE to use blue bags and dont bother to recycle…well… big deal. Dont need stupid scrupulosity in my life
I am not sure i understand this Post… In fact, i know i don’t or i wouldn’t be writing this…
 
Of course, the media wants to be provocative and sell papers, so they’re not concerned with such distinctions.

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Right - which is why I haven’t watched new is years. Journalists are the most liberal group of all - I think i heard that 90% or more support abortion on demand, 75% (or thereabouts) condone homosexuality… etc…

I don’t trust much of anything i hear on the news… just things like the Eliot Spitzer thing… which i heard on David Letterman first… I would rather watch him (Letterman) than the news…

So call me an air-head… :hypno:

But before you do, I will have you know 😃 that as i watch his show, i also, during commercials, read history books… 😃

(which proves I am not an air-head).🙂
 
Have never like ‘tags’ (“air head” and “poor slob” just for an example are what I call a tags) - and tags are either good ones or nasty ones and I never take either type on board for myself …they usually tell more about the person assigning the tag…they are either kind or unkind, favourable or unfavourable, in agreement or not in agreement etc etc. Suffering with a mental illness as I do, I have had to learn to let tags be water off the duck’s back …Blessings - Barb:)
 
I was a bit confused about ‘obscene wealth’ as one of the sins. The RCC has a lot of wealth, properties all over the world that it owns, etc…I have heard our Church referred to as ‘the richest institution in the world.’ We also give more than any other ‘institution’ as well to charities, etc…so maybe this ‘sin’ implies that if one amasses wealth, but is ‘obscene’ with it, then it would be considered sinful. :confused: Perhaps I’m confused over how the term ‘obscene’ is being defined here.

That’s one way of looking at it, but suppose someone has 10 cars, like say a super athlete or rapper or celeb? Can simply the possession of large amounts of wealth be viewed as ‘obscene,’ and if so–would that person be viewed as mortally sinning?

The rest seem rather common sense…but this one seemed confusing to me.
 
Oops…after reading through the thread more, it appears as though the media spun this a bit out of control, and thus think my above post might be a moot point.:o
 
Have never like ‘tags’ (“air head” and “poor slob” just for an example are what I call a tags) - and tags are either good ones or nasty ones and I never take either type on board for myself …they usually tell more about the person assigning the tag…they are either kind or unkind
One more thing they could be, particularly when used on oneself:

a joke…

Have a nice day. 🙂
 
Yeah, we’ll I’m not holding my breath for cnn.com to publish a clarifying piece anytime soon, either.
Well, today’s piece was definitely an improvement over the initial announcement:
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Bishop expounds on the new ‘deadly sins’**
  • Unofficial update aligns with pope’s communal emphasis, observers say
  • Modern list has to with how sin affects community more than individual
ROME, Italy (CNN) – Fifteen hundred years after the Roman Catholic Church introduced the original list of seven deadly sins, a Vatican official last week suggested an updated roster for a new age.

Although it doesn’t reflect a change in official doctrine, the expansion of sins brought on by technology and science aligns with Pope Benedict XVI’s emphasis on communal rather than individual piety, observers say.

In an interview with L’Osservatore Romano, the Vatican’s official newspaper, Monsignor Gianfranco Girotti said priests must take into account “new sins which have appeared on the horizon of humanity as corollary to the unstoppable process of globalization.”

In the 21st century, he said, "You offend God not only by stealing, blaspheming or coveting your neighbor’s wife, but also by ruining the environment, carrying out morally debatable scientific experiments, or allowing genetic manipulations which alter DNA or compromise embryos.

The original deadly sins – mortal sins that require absolution for the sinner to avoid hell – are pride, envy, gluttony, lust, anger, greed and sloth. They have been vividly portrayed in literature such as Dante’s “The Inferno” since the Middle Ages.

Girotti is second in command at the Apostolic Penitentiary, the Vatican body responsible for confessions and absolutions.

In his L’Osservatore interview, Girotti said pollution and genetic engineering, as well as drug dealing, abortion, pedophilia, social injustice and extreme wealth were now on record as mortal sins, those the Church deems most offensive to God and those that could land you a spot in hell without repentance.

“In different times, in moments of history, cultural moments, technological moments, sins dress themselves up, so to speak, in a different way,” the Rev. John Wauck from Rome’s Pontifical University of the Holy Cross told CNN.

“The underlying sin tends to be the same – a variation of a theme of selfishness, a lack of respect for others, of lying, cheating , stealing or killing,” Wauck said.

In the modern age, people find new ways to commit the seven deadly sins.

“Our wrath has new outlets and we have new technology with which to deceive people or even kill people,” Wauck said.

Technology is a blessing, he said, but it can also be a danger. Take pollution, for example. Wauck said it’s a variation of the original mortal sin of gluttony or selfishness.

Protecting the environment comes from the Bible’s book of Genesis, he said: God created the world and placed man in it to thrive and not destroy. But the population explosion and the production of extremely toxic materials make the stakes much higher.

“We’re seeing now that the kinds of sin that have an impact not on particular individuals – I stole my neighbor’s property or I damaged his property – but [rather] I polluted in a way that damaged the entire environment, which doesn’t belong to me and doesn’t belong to my neighbor either. It belongs to mankind and so it’s a sin in a certain sense against all of us,” Wauck said.

Pope Benedict XVI “wants every person to stop and think about their actions and how it affects not only their own soul but the community and the world at large,” said CNN’s Vatican correspondent, Delia Gallagher.

“I think he thinks that by doing so this, by making people reflect on what they are doing, in the long term that is what is going to create a better world.”

Girotti last week delivered his decidedly modern revision of deadly sins at the end of a weeklong seminar for priests and deacons on the sacrament of confession.

In Catholic teachings, professing one’s sins before a priest in confession is the only method of absolution. But Girotti told the audience of several hundred clergy that some worshippers believe priests have fallen out of touch.

He pointed to a 10-year-old study taken by the Catholic University of Milan, which found that 30 percent of worshippers in Italy didn’t believe a priest was necessary to atone for one’s sins. It also found that 10 percent thought priests were actually an impediment to forgiveness because they were so out of touch with the ills of modern-day Catholics.

The communal aspect of Catholic behavior is one of the hallmarks of Pope Benedict XVI’s tenure. The pontiff has long warned against “dangerous individualism,” a state that can cause “enormous difficulties for social cohesion.”
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Addressing Girotti’s confession refresher course, the pontiff lamented what he called “a certain disaffection” with the sacrament within his flock.

“Those who trust themselves in their own merits are, as it were, blinded by their own ‘I’ and their hearts harden in sin,” he was quoted.
 
One more thing they could be, particularly when used on oneself:

a joke…

Have a nice day. 🙂
Not too sure what you mean:confused: - but yes, one can if one wishes put “tags” on oneself which will usually tell more about oneself depending on the tag assigned…you have a great day too:thumbsup: …
 
Not too sure what you mean:confused: -
Me neither :whacky:
but yes, one can if one wishes put “tags” on oneself which will usually tell more about oneself depending on the tag assigned…you have a great day too:thumbsup: …
Well, to be honest, i thought you were criticizing me, but maybe not (?)…

That’s what is wrong w/ this kind of forum… can’t see expressions, hear tone of voice, etc… so sometimes clue-less… but take things a certain way even when clue-less…

Thanks - don’t mind if i do have a great day… (Ok, don’t mind if i TRY… 🤷 ).

God bless.
 
Me neither :whacky:

Well, to be honest, i thought you were criticizing me, but maybe not (?)…

That’s what is wrong w/ this kind of forum… can’t see expressions, hear tone of voice, etc… so sometimes clue-less… but take things a certain way even when clue-less…

Thanks - don’t mind if i do have a great day… (Ok, don’t mind if i TRY… 🤷 ).

God bless.
Nahhh Distracted:thumbsup: …my comment was not directed at you…it was just a general comment on summarizing a person (or oneself) with a noun (or what I call a “tag”.) Having a mental illness one needs to develop a thick skin re derogatory tags. Personally, I don’t take on board complimentary tags either if they should crop up. I am simply “Barb” and a mixture of many things. In fact I, with all others, am a mystery, since “Barb” itself is a tag my parents gave a baby born 62 years ago.

Anyway, rest assured my comment was just a general one on the tagging of people (or oneself). I need to use Smileys more and so I can be very much at fault:o …hope your days will unfold happily …Blessings - Barb:)
 
I have a question and maybe it is odd but,

The drug use thing. The Church has never banned alcohol and in fact, in many cases supports its responsible consumption. In addition, the Church has never banned caffiene. Both of these are drugs.

I guess I am saying that it seems the Church has always viewed drug use as ok, even recreationally, as long as your intellect and will were unhindered.

I don’t want to get into a discussion of illegal drugs and the harm they do to society (I know they harm it,) but where would the line be drawn?

A lone Raven
 
Nahhh Distracted:thumbsup: …my comment was not directed at you…it was just a general comment on summarizing a person (or oneself) with a noun (or what I call a “tag”.) 🙂
Thanks for clarifying.

I don’t like tags either but i use them @ times because, well, sometimes they seem to be the lesser of two evils… I mean, sometimes i need to communicate something & a tag seems necessary… (SEEMs…).

I also have what could be considered a mental “illness”, but that term is one i consider a negative “tag”…
For one thing, my opinion is that everyone of us is mentally “ill” because of original (& personal) sin… Why should some people be singled out… as if there are actually people in the world who are “mentally well”… (I don’t buy it…)

I mean, some people are more well than others but none of us is without some kind of “mental illness”… or issues… or whatever you want to call it…
Anyway, have a good one. 🙂
 
Thanks for clarifying.

I don’t like tags either but i use them @ times because, well, sometimes they seem to be the lesser of two evils… I mean, sometimes i need to communicate something & a tag seems necessary… (SEEMs…).

I also have what could be considered a mental “illness”, but that term is one i consider a negative “tag”…
For one thing, my opinion is that everyone of us is mentally “ill” because of original (& personal) sin… Why should some people be singled out… as if there are actually people in the world who are “mentally well”… (I don’t buy it…)

I mean, some people are more well than others but none of us is without some kind of “mental illness”… or issues… or whatever you want to call it…
Anyway, have a good one. 🙂
…yeah, I use tags too at times, as much as I dislike them. Non existent is the rule for myself (and some other rules)that I unfailingly keep:D

With the advances in medical knowledge, “mental illness” is probably a misnomer, more like a physical illness (brain mis-functioning) that affects the mental processes. But I can certainly latch onto with appreciated that we all suffer mental misfunctioning/illness to some degree or other and due to original sin…we just don’t think the way God created us to think. Thank you for that!👍 …and well said! I read in Time Magazine many years ago “in an insane world, the sane will be considered insane”…I liked that one too!😃
You have a good one too, Distracted - and many blessings this Holy Week…Barb:)
 
…Non existent is the rule for myself (and some other rules)that I unfailingly keep:D
could you explain waht you mean here?
we all suffer mental misfunctioning/illness to some degree or other and due to original sin
I think a lot of emotional “illnesses” are called “mental” when they shouldn’t be
😦
we just don’t think the way God created us to think.
So true… & the sad thing is, some us keep thinking that we DO think the way God wants us to… :eek: That always gets us into trouble…:hypno:
You have a good one too, Distracted - and many blessings this Holy Week…Barb:)
Thanks…

Maybe we should call it “mental unique-ness” 😃
 
  1. polluting, genetic engineering, being obscenely rich, drug dealing, abortion, pedophilia and causing social injustice
  2. sloth, pride, avarice, envy,lust, gluttony, anger
Hmmm…looks like to me all the first set fit in the second set without calling them new sins.:cool:
 
What actually happened and the MSM’s sensationalized “reportage” reminds me of a joke
 
What actually happened and the MSM’s sensationalized “reportage” reminds me of a joke
😃 Very funny…

But what is really pathetic is…

This really isn’t such a joke… I mean, a kind of version of this “joke” happens in our media every day:rolleyes:
 
  1. polluting, genetic engineering, being obscenely rich, drug dealing, abortion, pedophilia and causing social injustice
  2. sloth, pride, avarice, envy,lust, gluttony, anger
Hmmm…looks like to me all the first set fit in the second set without calling them new sins.:cool:
Maybe… maybe not. The first set is more specific & more geared toward what is going on in society today. Who really pays much attention to the 2nd set?? Our world thinks its too modern for that…

I just love our pope… When he was a cardinal, he was called the Panzer Cardinal… 🙂
 
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